Obama's New Campaign ad

[John Adams]

I love that Bill Clinton is the voice.

 

 

Obama is going to ride the OBL killing hard. What a jackass.

Edited April 30, 2012 by John Adams

[Doc]

The irony is that Clinton still laments not taking UBL out when he had the chance. If Barry wants to whip this out, he'll merely point that out and say had Clinton done it, there would have been no 9/11. Possibly a false statement, but no less false than claiming Romney wouldn't have ordered the raid on UBL's compound.

[B-Man]

Time magazine securing a memo that could indicate the President was covering his on arse should the mission to take out bin Laden have went wrong. Ben Shapiro writing a column on how the President in his opinion, did just that

 

Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault.

 

The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am.

 

Ben Shapiro's assessment of the memo.

 

 

...the memo doesn’t show a gutsy call. It doesn’t show a president willing to take the blame for a mission gone wrong. It shows a CYA maneuver by the White House.

 

The memo puts all control in the hands of Admiral McRaven – the “timing, operational decision making and control” are all up to McRaven. So the notion that Obama and his team were walking through every stage of the operation is incorrect. The hero here was McRaven, not Obama. And had the mission gone wrong, McRaven surely would have been thrown under the bus.

 

The memo is crystal clear on that point. It says that the decision has been made based solely on the “risk profile presented to the President.” If any other risks – no matter how minute – arose, they were “to be brought back to the President for his consideration.” This is ludicrous. It is wiggle room. It was Obama’s way of carving out space for himself in case the mission went bad. If it did, he’d say that there were additional risks of which he hadn’t been informed; he’d been kept in the dark by his military leaders.

 

Finally, the memo is unclear on just what the mission is. Was it to capture Bin Laden or to kill him? The White House itself was unable to decide what the mission was in the hours after the Bin Laden kill, and actually switched its language. The memo shows why: McRaven was instructed to “get” Bin Laden, whatever that meant.

 

Ben Shapiro

 

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[UConn James]

To be sure, ANYONE who is the president makes that call for someone like OBL.

 

Otherwise, his own Joint Chiefs would probably seriously consider the possibility of assassinating the president and instituting a military junta.

 

The military does what it does and if a president isn't on board with what the rank and file want, that's dangerous ground to be on... even here.

 

And Romney never said he wouldn't authorize attacks across the border into Pak. What he said was that it was stupid to discuss invading another sovereign country so nonchalantly in public debate. You know, like what all of the posters here who have the first ing clue about the military and geopolitics, especially in that region, said at the time. There's no doubt he would've authorized it. And for Obama to make hay on this as if he was holding an M-16 himself is an argument Bourne of desperation.

 

Yes, Obama is the current president and he's the only one who constitutionally can make these calls; that doesn't mean he's entitled to remain president, and it's cheap to use incumbency in this way.

Edited April 30, 2012 by UConn James

[KD in CA]

Good thing no one saw a swingset in the backyard.

[Buftex]

To be sure, ANYONE who is the president makes that call for someone like OBL.

 

Otherwise, his own Joint Chiefs would probably seriously consider the possibility of assassinating the president and instituting a military junta.

 

The military does what it does and if a president isn't on board with what the rank and file want, that's dangerous ground to be on... even here.

 

And Romney never said he wouldn't authorize attacks across the border into Pak. What he said was that it was stupid to discuss invading another sovereign country so nonchalantly in public debate. You know, like what all of the posters here who have the first ing clue about the military and geopolitics, especially in that region, said at the time. There's no doubt he would've authorized it. And for Obama to make hay on this as if he was holding an M-16 himself is an argument Bourne of desperation.

 

Yes, Obama is the current president and he's the only one who constitutionally can make these calls; that doesn't mean he's entitled to remain president, and it's cheap to use incumbency in this way.

 

 

So, by the same logic, to be sure, any president who was commander in chief when OBL was taken out, would use it as part of their campaign...but, you know, when you take every and anything positive away from him, he is an failure! I don't understand the issue here. At least when he said "mission accomplished", the mission was accomplished.

Edited April 30, 2012 by Buftex

[Chef Jim]

So, by the same logic, to be sure, any president who was commander in chief when OBL was taken out, would use it as part of their campaign...but, you know, when you take every and anything positive away from him, he is an failure!

 

So in your mind that's the only way to judge someone a failure is if they have succeeded at nothing? Wow, you're easy. I bet you're not that easy on the Bills.

[Buftex]

So in your mind that's the only way to judge someone a failure is if they have succeeded at nothing? Wow, you're easy. I bet you're not that easy on the Bills.

 

Oh brother...I don't even know what this means...only that Chef wants to fight...

Edited April 30, 2012 by Buftex

[3rdnlng]

So, by the same logic, to be sure, any president who was commander in chief when OBL was taken out, would use it as part of their campaign...but, you know, when you take every and anything positive away from him, he is an failure! I don't understand the issue here. At least when he said "mission accomplished", the mission was accomplished.

 

Obama stated at the time (a year ago) that he wasn't going to "spike the ball" over this. So, now he's guilty of excessive celebration and taunting Romney with words taken out of context. We know he's getting desperate with his made up fights and phony battles (Republicans War on Women and silly-ass and disingenuous statements regarding the republicans opposition to keeping the student loan rate the same) but does he have to make the presidency smaller by his boasts?

[DC Tom]

Time magazine securing a memo that could indicate the President was covering his on arse should the mission to take out bin Laden have went wrong. Ben Shapiro writing a column on how the President in his opinion, did just that

 

 

 

Ben Shapiro's assessment of the memo.

 

 

 

 

Ben Shapiro

 

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Imagine...a President giving operational control to the operational commander at the scene. That actually makes me feel better about the whole thing.

[Chef Jim]

Oh brother...I don't even know what this means...only that Chef wants to fight...

 

You said that if we take everything postiive away from Obama he's a failure. Is the the only way you judge failure is the lack of any success. So you don't agree that you can win some battles but lose the war miserably?

[IDBillzFan]

I love that Bill Clinton is the voice.

 

 

Obama is going to ride the OBL killing hard. What a jackass.

To be honest, it's fair game for him to do this. What makes it embarrassing is that he had to first announce that we don't need to spike the football, right before we start to spike the football.

[/dev/null]

Obama is a pimp. He never could have outfought Osama. But I didn't know until this day, it was McRaven all along

 

Amazing how often one movie quote can be applied by changing 3 proper nouns

[Doc]

So, by the same logic, to be sure, any president who was commander in chief when OBL was taken out, would use it as part of their campaign...but, you know, when you take every and anything positive away from him, he is an failure! I don't understand the issue here. At least when he said "mission accomplished", the mission was accomplished.

It's okay to say that he made the call to get UBL. What's unsavory is to claim Romney wouldn't have, using out-of-context quotes from 4 years ago. As Romney said when asked if he would have ordered the strike, "even Jimmy Carter would have."

To be honest, it's fair game for him to do this. What makes it embarrassing is that he had to first announce that we don't need to spike the football, right before we start to spike the football.

So is that a flip-flop, a backtrack, a "he was against it before he was for it," etc.?

[IDBillzFan]

So is that a flip-flop, a backtrack, a "he was against it before he was for it," etc.?

No, it's just cheesy. One of the tiresome parts of Obama's schtick is he so blatantly says one thing and then does something else while simultaneously explaining that he had to do the opposite of what he said he'd do because of something that has nothing to do with him.

 

This is why you see him losing the so-called "moderate independents."

 

Well, the real ones, anyway.

[B-Large]

People said he can't run on his record and would resort to games and detractions.... he starts to run on something substantial on his record and people are up in arms?

 

I don't understand?

 

People seem to feel National Security is pretty important, it appears so does Barack Obama.

 

Obama stated at the time (a year ago) that he wasn't going to "spike the ball" over this. So, now he's guilty of excessive celebration and taunting Romney with words taken out of context. We know he's getting desperate with his made up fights and phony battles (Republicans War on Women and silly-ass and disingenuous statements regarding the republicans opposition to keeping the student loan rate the same) but does he have to make the presidency smaller by his boasts?

 

So it's run on your record, but then you are spiking the ball by running on your record?

 

 

Some of yourguys are just as bad as Supier Liberals who said they would leave the country if Bush won a second term, only the target has changed.... LOL

[PastaJoe]

Newsflash...people throw elbows in politics. Republicans always relied on the foreign policy / military issue as an asset. Now that Obama has taken that away from them they're calling foul. If the mission had failed, Republicans would have been screaming for investigations and saying how Obama was another Jimmy Carter. He made the tough call, it succeeded, and now people need to be reminded of where we were in Iraq and with al Quida before Obama took office, and where we are now.

 

Reagan had an ad about "the bear in the woods", and who do you trust to protect us. One of GW Bush's first ads against Kerry featured images of the Twin Towers and people being taken out of it.

[B-Large]

Newsflash...people throw elbows in politics. Republicans always relied on the foreign policy / military issue as an asset. Now that Obama has taken that away from them they're calling foul. If the mission had failed, Republicans would have been screaming for investigations and saying how Obama was another Jimmy Carter. He made the tough call, it succeeded, and now people need to be reminded of where we were in Iraq and with al Quida before Obama took office, and where we are now.

 

Reagan had an ad about "the bear in the woods", and who do you trust to protect us. One of GW Bush's first ads against Kerry featured images of the Twin Towers and people being taken out of it.

 

Bascially, this ^^^. That call on OBL could have gone either way, good thing we sent the best to take care of the tough business..... Team 6, hats off, again.....

 

Some people just love being Partisan, sigh, at least it makes for good MB fodder.

Edited April 30, 2012 by B-Large

[IDBillzFan]

Newsflash...people throw elbows in politics. Republicans always relied on the foreign policy / military issue as an asset. Now that Obama has taken that away from them they're calling foul. If the mission had failed, Republicans would have been screaming for investigations and saying how Obama was another Jimmy Carter. He made the tough call, it succeeded, and now people need to be reminded of where we were in Iraq and with al Quida before Obama took office, and where we are now.

 

Reagan had an ad about "the bear in the woods", and who do you trust to protect us. One of GW Bush's first ads against Kerry featured images of the Twin Towers and people being taken out of it.

You actually make very solid points here, however I would suggest that approving a request to kill Bin Laden does not give Barack Obama full-blown street cred for all things foreign policy.

 

What righties like myself tire of is the way Obama and his stooges make it sound like he was the one coming down from the helicopter. Like he was the one pulling the trigger in the dark of night. It's embarrassing, and we wish he'd stop. Every time someone starts to tell the story about how brave he was to make such a gutsy call, I'm reminded of

in "Monsters Vs. Aliens."

 

"I'm brave. I'm a brave president."

 

The only person who stood to lose anything if it went badly was Obama. It was hardly a difficult decision.

Edited April 30, 2012 by LABillzFan

[Doc]

People said he can't run on his record and would resort to games and detractions.... he starts to run on something substantial on his record and people are up in arms?

 

I don't understand?

 

People seem to feel National Security is pretty important, it appears so does Barack Obama.

 

 

 

So it's run on your record, but then you are spiking the ball by running on your record?

 

 

Some of yourguys are just as bad as Supier Liberals who said they would leave the country if Bush won a second term, only the target has changed.... LOL

You're not listening. It's fine to "spike the ball" about killing UBL, even after you said you wouldn't. (Essentially) Claiming your rival wouldn't have because of a sentence taken out of context isn't okay. So he gets a flag for excessively inappropriate celebration.