eball Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 Can't please everyone. Thankfully this Bills draft has pleased most of us. Hope you're ready to jump on the bandwagon in a few months.
3putt Posted April 28, 2012 Author Posted April 28, 2012 Just put down the draft guides and back away from the Internet. Then go and watch some video of the guys (actual games rather than highlight clips), if possible... Touche. Perhaps you can let me borrow your tape library. It is complete I assume?
John from Riverside Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 I am not suggesting we are the Pirates of the NFL, but consensus here at TBD was Morrison should bagging at Wegmans and we should start the 13th caller to WGR opposite Johnson. I do not see Opening day starters in those slots. It's not just names I know, I am in Big ten country and if you don't have good internet access you wouldn't know they play football south of the Mason Dixon. But I do follow it and know there are good players out there. What I did not hear or read often in the commentary to our draft was "day one starter." Rather, "solid pick, will be there for ten years." Great but stating when? Sir you still have not answered the question presented. You bring up Morrison.....but not who in the 3rd round on (because we have 2 starters with our 1st two picks)....who in the 3rd round immediately replaces Morrison....a late addition to our team last year who was a highly sought after FA to the jags for a year and prior to that was a ultra productive LB for the Raiders with over 100 tackles every year. Who immediately replaces him?
3putt Posted April 28, 2012 Author Posted April 28, 2012 Can't please everyone. Thankfully this Bills draft has pleased most of us. Hope you're ready to jump on the bandwagon in a few months. I am not a band wagon kinda person. More the religiously devoted type with the occasional crises of faith.
Delete This Account Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) If JW doesn't pick up what I considered fairly obvious sarcasm, he's not half the poster I thunk. So, no worries. i now take offense because you seem to underestimate my level of ignorance, sir! jw Edited April 28, 2012 by john wawrow
Lurker Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 Touche. Perhaps you can let me borrow your tape library. It is complete I assume? Google is your friend. There's a lot more out there than YouTube highlights. And, as Bill Parcels says, go by what you see, not what you read...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 Your final thoughts? So you're not even going to wait to see who we get with the 3rd to last pick? Whoever that will be won't think too kindly of you either!
Gray Beard Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 I am pleased with the draft. Added depth and a few upgrades for sure. I can't wait to see what UDFAs are brought in for tryouts. I would like to see a few new TEs and RBs try to make the team. I also am curious what will happen with the backup QB situation. Thigpen? Smith? I hope at least one new body is given the opportunity to hold the clipboard.
Alphadawg7 Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) We got a lot of bodies. The overall character is outstanding. The Bills did their homework on that front. An eagle scout for christmas sake. But with ten picks and a high position in each round, we got maybe one starter on opening day, and maybe two by the end of the year. No one who jumps out as a HOF type. Solid ST depth and a crowded Practice Squad. I know we had holes, but with that type of ammo I would have expected a more immediate impact on the starting lineup recent FA acquisitions factored in. SO I think that while we got talent up and down the roster, I do not see a great step forward. I like what hte Bengals did, great value and probably two to three starters to a Playoff team. The steelers are retooled. New England did well to address immediate holes and there weren't many. So I guess I feel we wasted the opportunity accelerate the rebuilding process. This draft has a traditional feel to it like many in the past where we will see mid and late rounders get replaced by next years mid and late rounders. So while I commend OBD for not taking a step back, I am not sure we moved up in the overall hierarchy. I would love to have seen a more judicious use of picks, some movement and the addition of true starters this year. Glenn may not start, Gilmore will struggle, all DB's do while they learn. Our WR is a huge question mark and probably a project. I guess I expected a bigger leap. I know this will get ripped and I will get the wait three years response, but I am tired of waiting. I attended games at the Rockpile when I was in grade school so I have been drinking the Kool aid my whole life. I really thought that we would walk away from this weekend with more starters, on day 1 2012. Man, so many things wrong in this post. No offense, but this line is one of the stupidest lines on this board: "No one who jumps out as a HOF type." Are you serious with that comment? First off, the bulk of all teams is made up of guys who will never make the HOF, even great players. So to use the HOF as a way to evaluate COLLEGE players is absurd. Secondly, to determine who has HOF ability during a draft is just as stupid. Do you think people were looking at the Pats draft and going they really got a HOF candidate in Brady in the 6th round? What about Jerry Rice? Do you think people looked at his modest attributes on draft night going the Niners just drafted a guy who should be the greatest to play his position ever? I mean seriously... More importantly, to sit here and say we got maybe one starter at this stage is ridiculous too. They already publicly said they see Gilmore starting week 1 and he will be given the chance to compete for a starting spot right away in camp. Glenn is about as close to a lock to be a day 1 starter on this roster as it gets. He will start somewhere on this line. Then we get a couple guys like Graham, Bradham, Sanders, and Brooks who have the potential to push for playing time early as well. I mean how many guaranteed starters do you think teams come away with on draft night? I mean you do realize there are 7 rounds, and typically players in rounds 1 and 2 are the only ones usually viewed as strong candidates to start early. So how can you expect to have more than 2 guys drafted to be considered day 1 starters unless your roster is so bad that even your mid and late round picks are considered sure starters. At the end of the day, this was a great draft on PAPER for the Bills and no one really knows how good or bad until the pads go on and the players compete. Edited April 28, 2012 by Alphadawg7
JAC'dUp Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 1- Stephon Gilmore- at least solid, teams well with williams and new starting tandem 2- Cordy Glenn- Possible PB Rt.Tackle; starter for years 3- T.J. Graham- crapshoot, let's hope in Chix 4- Nigel Bradham- solid contributor; starter in 2 years 5- Ron Brooks- great nickel potential; possibly more 6- Zebrie Sanders- Outstanding; starting LT in 2-3 7- Tank Carder- Outstanding+- avoiding health issues- Fletcher London solid 8- Mark Asper- should have gone Streeter London Fletcher Overall- Solid B+
todd Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 That's the point. Hoarding picks like they are gold is no longer realistic under the new cba. Missess don't set you back as much and trading up isn't as much of a cap hit. I would have liked to seen 3 starters and a significant contribution from a situational player. That comes from trading up and down judiciously. I just do not see the immediate impact. Maybe the thought all along was 2013 who knows. Who'se tape did you break down that made you think they were better than the picks we took? And where did you get the game tape?
eball Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 I am not a band wagon kinda person. More the religiously devoted type with the occasional crises of faith. We've all been there my friend. I'm accused of being overly optimistic, but I've found that gives me the most fun. And this year, perhaps my optimism is finally about to be rewarded.
BRAWNDO Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 They added depth, got two starters and I think Brooks is going to be a serious player.
EastRochBillsfan Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 That's the point. Hoarding picks like they are gold is no longer realistic under the new cba. Missess don't set you back as much and trading up isn't as much of a cap hit. I would have liked to seen 3 starters and a significant contribution from a situational player. That comes from trading up and down judiciously. I just do not see the immediate impact. Maybe the thought all along was 2013 who knows. HEY, we traded a 7th rd pick to trade up 2 spots in the 3rd. Who you calling a hoarder? (and for those of u sarcasm challenged, you know who u are, yes that was sarcasm) This is almost as bad as the guy who will inevitably post "This is greatest draft class EVER by the Bills!" You've made far too many assumptions in your original post. How do you know Gillmore will struggle? Because every single rookie CB in league history has??? (Not true, btw) How do you know Glenn won't win the LT job by the start of the season?? How do you know our WR is a huge question mark and can't make an immediate impact? Because Mayock says so? Just because the Bengals had 2 first round picks and drafted guys you heard of doesn't mean they'll work out great. This Man, so many things wrong in this post. No offense, but this line is one of the stupidest lines on this board: "No one who jumps out as a HOF type." Are you serious with that comment? First off, the bulk of all teams is made up of guys who will never make the HOF, even great players. So to use the HOF as a way to evaluate COLLEGE players is absurd. Secondly, to determine who has HOF ability during a draft is just as stupid. Do you think people were looking at the Pats draft and going they really got a HOF candidate in Brady in the 6th round? What about Jerry Rice? Do you think people looked at his modest attributes on draft night going the Niners just drafted a guy who should be the greatest to play his position ever? I mean seriously... More importantly, to sit here and say we got maybe one starter at this stage is ridiculous too. They already publicly said they see Gilmore starting week 1 and he will be given the chance to compete for a starting spot right away in camp. Glenn is about as close to a lock to be a day 1 starter on this roster as it gets. He will start somewhere on this line. Then we get a couple guys like Graham, Bradham, Sanders, and Brooks who have the potential to push for playing time early as well. I mean how many guaranteed starters do you think teams come away with on draft night? I mean you do realize there are 7 rounds, and typically players in rounds 1 and 2 are the only ones usually viewed as strong candidates to start early. So how can you expect to have more than 2 guys drafted to be considered day 1 starters unless your roster is so bad that even your mid and late round picks are considered sure starters. At the end of the day, this was a great draft on PAPER for the Bills and no one really knows how good or bad until the pads go on and the players compete. Best post of this thread. and there were many to choose from.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I am not suggesting we are the Pirates of the NFL, but consensus here at TBD was Morrison should bagging at Wegmans and we should start the 13th caller to WGR opposite Johnson. OK, now I know you're a troll. No such consensus here, ever. Like others have said, stand and deliver. Name the players the Bills should have drafted and when or go back under your bridge
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 That's the point. Hoarding picks like they are gold is no longer realistic under the new cba. Missess don't set you back as much and trading up isn't as much of a cap hit. I would have liked to seen 3 starters and a significant contribution from a situational player. That comes from trading up and down judiciously. I just do not see the immediate impact. Maybe the thought all along was 2013 who knows. No offense here, 3putt, but honestly could it be that way b/c we are now starting to have a team with guys who are difficult to unseat as starters?
BillnutinHouston Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 OK Opening Day, barring injury in camp, who unseats who from last year? I think Glenn has a good chance to start, but I also believe Hairston will compete hard to keep the job and it wouldn't shock me to see him start on opening day.
BigBuff423 Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 We got a lot of bodies. The overall character is outstanding. The Bills did their homework on that front. An eagle scout for christmas sake. But with ten picks and a high position in each round, we got maybe one starter on opening day, and maybe two by the end of the year. No one who jumps out as a HOF type. Solid ST depth and a crowded Practice Squad. I know we had holes, but with that type of ammo I would have expected a more immediate impact on the starting lineup recent FA acquisitions factored in. SO I think that while we got talent up and down the roster, I do not see a great step forward. I like what hte Bengals did, great value and probably two to three starters to a Playoff team. The steelers are retooled. New England did well to address immediate holes and there weren't many. So I guess I feel we wasted the opportunity accelerate the rebuilding process. This draft has a traditional feel to it like many in the past where we will see mid and late rounders get replaced by next years mid and late rounders. So while I commend OBD for not taking a step back, I am not sure we moved up in the overall hierarchy. I would love to have seen a more judicious use of picks, some movement and the addition of true starters this year. Glenn may not start, Gilmore will struggle, all DB's do while they learn. Our WR is a huge question mark and probably a project. I guess I expected a bigger leap. I know this will get ripped and I will get the wait three years response, but I am tired of waiting. I attended games at the Rockpile when I was in grade school so I have been drinking the Kool aid my whole life. I really thought that we would walk away from this weekend with more starters, on day 1 2012. I understand your frustration, I truly do...I think we are all sick of waiting for the BILLS to become a dominant team and certainly tired of waiting for the BILLS to be a team "feared" when the schedule comes out. So, in general I get it....and I'm not going to "rip" you for your frustration and disagreement with how the Draft was handled, to each his own and everyone's opinion is valid. However, I would like to point out that most of the really good teams, including the ones you mentioned, generally build through the Draft and do that by taking guys for depth in the mid to late rounds and sometimes, like the BILLS, stumble upon a great player and/or solid starter. Green Bay is an example of a team who flies under the radar every year during the Draft when not many Draft "experts" give them resounding praise, yet each year it's their Draft picks who make great plays and many times, not always by any stretch, these guys have spent some time learning the system and being either secondary or tierary players. Even the hallowed Rogers spent a season or two behind Favre and they drafted Rodgers knowing he wasn't going to be a starter from Day One. By the same logica you use, Rogers should not have been drafted because he wouldn't have been a Day One starter and they should have waited until Favre retired. There are a number of other players, too many to mention, that have followed a similar path into NFL stardom or at least being considered a valued asset to their team. Brady was initially intended to be backing up Bledsoe for a couple seasons, Mallet is doing that very thing now and he was drafted by the "they can't get it wront" Patsies....but again, you can look all over the NFL and the teams such as Philly Draft players in the mid (3rd) to late rounds for continual depth and knowing at any point that particular guy could start and therefore become your "starter". I'm not dismissing your point, I do understand you were hoping to get a couple to three guys who would be starters for Opening Day 2012, but I suppose I'm doing my best to mitigate your frustration by reminding you the BILLS did NOT get in this predicament over night and they are not going to get out of it overnight either and yes, I know it's been a decade. But to be honest, for me I'd rather it take a full three years to build a team that will compete for ten years then to grab guys who can play right now but in a couple years be on the other side of "re-building" mode again and then go through another playoff drought...and depth and talent in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string players - mostly due to inevitable injuries - is how you do it....just IMO....although, stay strong, look closely at what's happening and reserve judgment for this time next year.
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