ThurmasThoman Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Im not going to interject 1 iota of opinion in this post, this is just going to be various quotes from around the internet. "Marty Ball is a philosophy of football associated with and named after former NFL head coach Marty Schottenheimer. In simple terms, it means a focus on the running game, with passing used only to further the running game. Fans (and critics) refer to this scheme as "Run, Run, Pass, Punt" (R2P2). Schottenheimer is considered to be a conservatively-minded coach with a majority of his focus on defense." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Ball'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Ball "Buddy got along well with Schottenheimer. They socialized together, went out to dinner, golfed together, sat together on the plane, talked football all the time." http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/8452/could-nix-sway-schottenheimer-to-bills'>http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/8452/could-nix-sway-schottenheimer-to-bills "On Nov. 24, Schottenheimer told the audience of "The Red Zone," his show on Sirius NFL Radio, that he wasn't interested in returning to the sidelines. From the coaching standpoint of it, you know, I'll be very candid with you and say it's nice to think that people would consider you," Schottenheimer said, "but the reality of it is is that after 30 great years, I'm really not going to go back down that road again." http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/8452/could-nix-sway-schottenheimer-to-bills "He's currently coaching the UFL's Virginia Destroyers, leading them to a championship in their first season in Virginia Beach, Virginia and his first title as a head coach." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 i'm calling shenannigans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 makes perfect sense. nix offered him the job, im sure. marty said he "didnt want to coach again." (yet he is currently coaching.) the bills are currently being designed in a manner that is almost perfectly tailor made to run run run, control the clock, and take the chances that our defense will keep the other team off the field. people clamoring for us to draft a qb, trade for a qb, sign a qb, whatever... it would explain why not only does nix seem unmoved by that - which seems counter-intuitive to the way gailey would want the team to be constructed - but why we picked spiller first 2 years ago, why were beefing up the oline and dline, and why fitzy is still here. conjecture-but im sure marty said, im not coming unless you prove to me you have to green light to a)spend money, and b) build a team the way it should be built. 2012: chan gaileys swan song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I would puke if we went form the spread that the last few super bowl winners have used to Marty Ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Chan is 10X the offensive mind Marty is. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Plus, it would take another three years of drafts for Marty to get his type of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 makes perfect sense. Of course it makes perfect sense to you, you're the OP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Plus, it would take another three years of drafts for Marty to get his type of players. His point is that is who we already draft..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 I would puke if we went form the spread that the last few super bowl winners have used to Marty Ball this league is cyclical my friend. todays spread offense is tomorrows west coast offense. we are building an absolute MONSTER of a defense. and doing... what... on offense, exactly? building up a versatile oline, and hoarding scat backs. we are ONE, count it, ONE between the tackles running back away from being a marty ball team. a million slot receivers, a smart quarterback, a cold weather city, a monster defense, a big oline, and 2 starting caliber NFL running backs, 1 of whom we used the #9 pick on, 3 months after nix and marty had spent an entire offseason talking and applying for jobs together. the writing is on the wall. dont know why people would even look at this as a bad thing. marty is a great coach. dont fault him because his chargers teams couldnt "get by" the patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Every coach wants his own, even though he and nix are bff's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Im not going to interject 1 iota of opinion in this post Really? Horny Toad was a better provocateur... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Chan is 10X the offensive mind Marty is. PTR Exactly! Run, pass, pass, punt is 10X better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 Really? Horny Toad was a better provocateur... post, not thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 Chan is 10X the offensive mind Marty is. PTR i will grant you that the bills were a far more exciting team in 2011 than in previous memory, but 2 years: 4-12 6-10 Marty finished with 9 wins in three of the years he missed the playoffs; so he had nine or more wins in 16 of his 20 full seasons coaching in the NFL Only one time – once – did a Marty-coached team finish with fewer than seven wins over a 16-game schedule. http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2012/01/some-smart-nfl-team-should-hire-marty-schottenheimer-the-most-underappreciated-nfl-coach-of-all-time/ as an aside, marty is also a former buffalo bills player. cant wait til hes our coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 this league is cyclical my friend. todays spread offense is tomorrows west coast offense. we are building an absolute MONSTER of a defense. and doing... what... on offense, exactly? building up a versatile oline, and hoarding scat backs. we are ONE, count it, ONE between the tackles running back away from being a marty ball team. a million slot receivers, a smart quarterback, a cold weather city, a monster defense, a big oline, and 2 starting caliber NFL running backs, 1 of whom we used the #9 pick on, 3 months after nix and marty had spent an entire offseason talking and applying for jobs together. the writing is on the wall. dont know why people would even look at this as a bad thing. marty is a great coach. dont fault him because his chargers teams couldnt "get by" the patriots. I'm ready to root for a winner this year. Your timing is odd at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Im not going to interject 1 iota of opinion in this post, this is just going to be various quotes from around the internet. "Marty Ball is a philosophy of football associated with and named after former NFL head coach Marty Schottenheimer. In simple terms, it means a focus on the running game, with passing used only to further the running game. Fans (and critics) refer to this scheme as "Run, Run, Pass, Punt" (R2P2). Schottenheimer is considered to be a conservatively-minded coach with a majority of his focus on defense." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Ball'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Ball "Buddy got along well with Schottenheimer. They socialized together, went out to dinner, golfed together, sat together on the plane, talked football all the time." http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/8452/could-nix-sway-schottenheimer-to-bills'>http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/8452/could-nix-sway-schottenheimer-to-bills "On Nov. 24, Schottenheimer told the audience of "The Red Zone," his show on Sirius NFL Radio, that he wasn't interested in returning to the sidelines. From the coaching standpoint of it, you know, I'll be very candid with you and say it's nice to think that people would consider you," Schottenheimer said, "but the reality of it is is that after 30 great years, I'm really not going to go back down that road again." http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/8452/could-nix-sway-schottenheimer-to-bills "He's currently coaching the UFL's Virginia Destroyers, leading them to a championship in their first season in Virginia Beach, Virginia and his first title as a head coach." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Ball He was my Choice when they hired Chan but Nix could have gotten Him then. If Chan does go I'd be all for it cuz I hate the spread offense. Jim Harbough showed power football is alive and well and in fact won the superbowl with the Giants and all the teams but the Pats go Knocked out by power football. Marty knows what a FB and TE are and can pound the rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Buddy Nix already went to Ralph Wilson before he hired Chan Gailey and talked with him about Marty Schottenheimer. Ralph Wilson then told Nix he did feel "comfortable" with hiring Marty as head coach of the Buffalo Bills so Nix went ahead and hired Gailey. Marty at the time was desperate to be hired by the Buffalo Bills as I'm sure he wanted redemption for being fired by AJ SMith of the Chargers after taking his team to 14-2. ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Contrary to the diplomatic comments he made on his radio show, Marty Schottenheimer actually did want the Buffalo Bills head-coaching job....Badly. http://espn.go.com/b...anted-bills-gig http://www.wgrz.com/...x?storyid=73757 No way will Marty S ever work for Ralph Wilson as the Bills head coach from everything I've read, much to my chagrin. Sorry to blow up your thread, but this was discussed by me and others before and after Nix hired Chan Gailey. Also what you may or may not know, Ralph Wilson is a micro managing owner and was in constant touch with Dick Jauron every day, every week. It was reported that during the season that this owner was on the phone with Jauron for hours every day. Probably why Cowher and Shanny weren't interested in becoming the Bills head coach. Bills fans must understand the unique situation that this owner puts his head coach in, and thus limits the people that will work for him. Martys Son, Brian Schottheimer turned down a chance to interview for the job as did various others. I dislike saying it, but I suppose Bills fans should count their blessings that they have Chan Gailey. I still highly doubt he will ever lead this team to a winning season much less the playoffs http://www.buffaloru...-more-desirable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 Also what you may or may not know, Ralph Wilson is a micro managing owner and was in constant touch with Dick Jauron every day, every week. It was reported that during the season that this owner was on the phone with Jauron for hours every day. Probably why Cowher and Shanny weren't interested in becoming the Bills head coach. Bills fans must understand the unique situation that this owner puts his head coach in, and thus limits the people that will work for him. Martys Son, Brian Schottheimer turned down a chance to interview for the job as did various others. I dislike saying it, but I suppose Bills fans should count their blessings that they have Chan Gailey. I still highly doubt he will ever lead this team to a winning season much less the playoffs analogous relations. a month ago, we had the cheapest owner in the league. today, we have the highest paid defensive player in league history. 3 years ago, marty didn't want to work for the bills because ralph micro manages. after another losing season: _____________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 analogous relations. a month ago, we had the cheapest owner in the league. today, we have the highest paid defensive player in league history. 3 years ago, marty didn't want to work for the bills because ralph micro manages. after another losing season: _____________________ Do you not have good reading comprehension? Or perhaps just want to keep this thread rolling? Marty WANTED THE JOB! The owner Ralph Wilson said no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 analogous relations. a month ago, we had the cheapest owner in the league. today, we have the highest paid defensive player in league history. 3 years ago, marty didn't want to work for the bills because ralph micro manages. after another losing season: _____________________ You connect the dots like Hellen Keller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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