Mopreme Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Barron better be a smokescreen or else I see another Whitner mistake. Bills already have solid safetys in Byrd and Wilson. You stop Brady with pressure from d-line and linebackers, not improving secondary. He can pick any secondary apart. I agree, you take Kalil if he drops (I hope). Otherwise, you look for a trade down or pick Kuechly at 10. Rarely can you find every down linebacker who can tackle, blitz and cover. He is a beast and potential upgrade to any linebacker on the team.
papazoid Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Barron better be a smokescreen or else I see another Whitner mistake. Bills already have solid safetys in Byrd and Wilson. You stop Brady with pressure from d-line and linebackers, not improving secondary. He can pick any secondary apart. I agree, you take Kalil if he drops (I hope). Otherwise, you look for a trade down or pick Kuechly at 10. Rarely can you find every down linebacker who can tackle, blitz and cover. He is a beast and potential upgrade to any linebacker on the team. also Kuechly is 30 lbs heavier but just as fast as barron.
BillsGuyInMalta Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 The Bills aren't about smokescreens, at least not this regime. This regime starts the fire and then tells you how many sticks they used and what type of lighter fluid was selected. They showed early interest in Stanford Routt before FA began, indicating they want help at secondary. Buddy likes multiple-year starters on Southern schools and people he brought in for a visit. I know so many Bills fans dont want to believe this, but the reality of the situation is it wont be Floyd or an OT or Kuechly. The Bills have almost gone out and said as much when they talk about how "deep" all of those positions are in the Draft while mentioning that the "secondary" needs help. Not CBs need help, but "secondary". Its going to be Barron.
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Im so sick of seeing this argument, and people referencing the Bills history of picking DBs early. ITS A NEW, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FRONT OFFICE. NEW SCOUTS. NEW GM. NEW/DIFFERENT EVERYTHING The "they" you refer to arent even allowed in the building at OBD anymore. Get over it. Move on. That past has nothing to do with the current team, or building plan. Really?...That's brand new information I had no idea... The "they" I referred to was The Buffalo Bills...This is a Buffalo Bills Message Board...I'm giving my opinion on the Buffalo Bills... Nice CAPS btw...Excitable much? Oh and and that little smiley I had after that statement...That's for sarcasm...You know...When someone is kind of kidding, or half kidding...Get to know your smiley's...They are your friends... Edited April 25, 2012 by KOKBILLS
SRivRoc Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I like Barron, BUT IF THE BILLS DRAFT HIM ID BE DEVESTATED!!! I really want kuechly or gilmore...I know Barron is projected to cover the tough tight ends in our division but Barron isn't a cover safety!!! Barron is a box safety and is used more for tackles within five yards of the line and the blitz, he isn't that impressive in coverage considering who he's going against with a great D...Im not saying he won't succeed in the league but I just think he's not the right pick for Buffalo, possibly a smokescreen so we can trade for more picks to a team like Dallas or San Diego since they both love him, besides our safeties are great why keep adding to a bottleneck position group? Super Bowl or Bust GO BILLS!!!
Mopreme Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Barron is injury prone. Even worst, what do you with Wilson, bench him? The senator was one, if not, the best defensive player last year. Barron is a terrible pick at 10. Kalil or Kuechly are the picks if available.
VirginiaMike Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 smoke screen it will the ND receiver or the BC backer Hope so -- My first two choices, unless by a miracle Kahil falls to 10, which I doubt.
Shoutbox Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 The Bills aren't about smokescreens, at least not this regime. This regime starts the fire and then tells you how many sticks they used and what type of lighter fluid was selected. They showed early interest in Stanford Routt before FA began, indicating they want help at secondary. Buddy likes multiple-year starters on Southern schools and people he brought in for a visit. I know so many Bills fans dont want to believe this, but the reality of the situation is it wont be Floyd or an OT or Kuechly. The Bills have almost gone out and said as much when they talk about how "deep" all of those positions are in the Draft while mentioning that the "secondary" needs help. Not CBs need help, but "secondary". Its going to be Barron. You are probably right, my Buffalo Bills brother! Barron may even be as high as #6 on Buddy's draft board, right after the big 5 (Luck, Griffin, Blackmon, Kalil, Claiborne). If Barron is going to do a better job of stopping the Gronkowski's of the NFL than Kuechly, then I am all for him! As a side note, my friend Gary is a huge Cowboys fan. He has been talking **** to me for over 30 years about Dallas. I would love NOTHING more than seeing the Bills take Barron before they get a chance! Muhahahahahahaha! Buffalo Bills, talkin' proud, talkin' proud! !@#$ yeah! Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
billnutinphoenix Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 If the Eagles and Cowboys want this guy so bad, how bad can he be?
Wayne Cubed Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Its funny but JoeB didn't even hear the Bills were interested in Barron from the Bills. "The way I understand things, a league source says the Bills are said to be very high on both Barron and Gilmore" So basically JoeB heard from someone who heard from someone... sounds pretty reliable to me. FWIW, Walker on ESPN says this has smokescreen written all over. Edited April 25, 2012 by Wayne Cubed
Lurker Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Really...That's brand new information I had no idea... It seems to be to a disapointing percentage of posters here. If you avoided positions that had been first round busts in years past, all you could draft are kickers...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) It seems to be to a disapointing percentage of posters here. If you avoided positions that had been first round busts in years past, all you could draft are kickers... True...But I'm uncertain as to why a regime that so far is 10-22 is beyond scrutiny at this point?...I'm not as optimistic about this Scouting Dept., and the thought process, as others...And I'm not a pessimist...Just a realist...I give Buddy his due...I know he knows football, but he comes across to me at least as being a little to smug...I'm just not sure I trust his judgement Draft-wise...And maybe it is just me...IMHO they are 1-1 in the Draft, with the one victory coming mainly due to a pick my 5 year old Niece could have made (Dareus)...So...Just saying... Edited April 25, 2012 by KOKBILLS
Coach Tuesday Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 If Barron is the pick, I'd be more pissed about the fact that it was telegraphed than about the pick itself.
shibuya Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 LMAO at people upset if we drafted Barron.. he would definitely help this team. He has a great character record, and he has no weaknesses in his game.
BuffaloRebound Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 If Barron is the pick, I'd be more pissed about the fact that it was telegraphed than about the pick itself. I think Bills truly like Barron and would take him at #10, but prefer trading down and are telling Cowboys and Eagles that Barron isn't gonna be there for them at #14 or #15 unless they trade up.
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 and he has no weaknesses in his game. If you believe that I've got some awesome Real Estate you may be interested in...
richNjoisy Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Barron is a heck of a player and it still makes no sense to take him The bills wont take him.....not with the safeties we already have on our roster I agree John. I particularly liked yesterday's email fan "press conference" where Buddy's responses were interpreted every which way. Other than his comment that "it is unlikely we will draft a TE" - most of his responses could and should have been heard as "maybe and I ain't gonna tell y'all anything else" to any question which started as "could you select "BLANK" " I see no reason to select a safety in round 1. Not with Byrd and Wilson being on the team and having played well with basically no pass rush for years. In fact, the Bills DID have a pass rush early in the season (Merriman IMO was being held on practically every play especially in the Cheatriot's game) and lookie lookie at all the INT's. I like Keuchly to "clean up the mess" (make a zillion tackles) or Floyd to open the field for Stevie. Ifthe Bills go OT, I am o.k. since I feel you can never have too many competent OT's. If they draft Gilmore, I sure hope he is REALLY good. -RnJ Edited April 25, 2012 by richNjoisy
auburnbillsbacker Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Here is Greg Cossel's opinion. The guy watches more film than anyone on the net. Barron is easily the best safety in this draft class. His tape showed a complete and multi-dimensional skill set, perhaps the most impressive attribute being his man-to-man coverage ability versus tight ends. He also played man-to-man against the inside slot receiver in 3×1 sets. The larger point is that Barron can play man coverage, and that has become increasingly important for safeties in today's NFL. Overall Barron offers tremendous scheme and position versatility. Safety has still not reached premium status in terms of NFL draft value, but I would argue that Barron is one of the 5 to 7 best players in this draft Edited April 25, 2012 by auburnbillsbacker
poo Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Chris Brown mocks Barron to the Bills http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Chris-Browns-2012-Mock-Draft/6340ae74-bb8c-464d-bae1-e99cbdb87aab
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Here is Greg Cossel's opinion. The guy watches more film than anyone on the net. Barron is easily the best safety in this draft class. His tape showed a complete and multi-dimensional skill set, perhaps the most impressive attribute being his man-to-man coverage ability versus tight ends. He also played man-to-man against the inside slot receiver in 3×1 sets. The larger point is that Barron can play man coverage, and that has become increasingly important for safeties in today's NFL. Overall Barron offers tremendous scheme and position versatility. Safety has still not reached premium status in terms of NFL draft value, but I would argue that Barron is one of the 5 to 7 best players in this draft I'm not sure there has EVER been more differing opinions on a prospect than with Barron... CBS Sports - "He appears to have good, but not great, speed and was rarely put in a position where he had to cover a slot receiver man to man." "Man Coverage: Not often asked to drop down and cover the slot in this scheme. Is a bit stiff in the hips and has only average change of direction. Does show a late burst to close on the football. " Bill Polian - "a box safety who plugs the run but struggles in coverage." Pro Football Weekly - "Saban wisely protected him in coverage as a senior and allowed him to excel in the box, where he is most physical and consistently shows up in run support. However, he showed he possessed enough range off the hash as a junior and is capable of becoming an interchangeable back-half defender. " National Football Post - "Has the makings of a heck of a special teams player who can also attack downhill vs. the run game, play inside the box and drive on the football in front of him in the pass game. Isn't going to be a major threat turning and tracking the football." "Demonstrates above-average ball skills in man coverage and uses his length well to make plays on the football. However, anytime he's asked to re-direct and/or turn and run he will struggle with his balance. Is a little tighter in the hips because of size and when forced to turn and run, gets upright and doesn't reach top end speed quickly. However, did a much better job as a senior keeping his feet under him and collecting himself when asked to go up and make a play on the football. Makes a lot of calls in the secondary and has improved his instincts when feeling routes develop around him as a senior as well." Sideline Scouting - "Has stiffness in hips and lack of fluidity in deep coverage, projects best as a strong safety in the NFL... Coverage skills are average at best, does not have elite range in zone coverage, not fluid enough to run with a lot of slot receivers in the NFL... Change of direction ability is questionable, does not have the quickest feet, can play high at times... Will bite on play action at times when playing in the box, definitely a run-first defender, may be relegated to two-down run stopping early in career... Can be too aggressive at times, tends to take bad angles when flying around the field, will miss tackles in the open field... Lacks elite explosiveness, lack of quickness may be the biggest factor, needs to work on changing directions with more leverage and fluidity.. That's just a few I've read...One thing is certain though about Barron...Most every Scout feels he will be an excellent SS vs. the run...How he's going to fit into the passing game is where the difference in opinions really come out... Edited April 25, 2012 by KOKBILLS
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