SWVABillsFan Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 People are missing the point here; It's not about him smoking pot, it's about his lack of motivation to pass a test he knew was coming years in advance. My 13 year old daughter knows they test at the combine. It's a "come on, man!" issue. It shows extreme poor judgement and a complete and utter lack of respect for the NFL. This coming from an OSU fan... I have to agree with this statement. It is all about the discipline. If he feels free to do as HE pleases now, what happens down the road when he gets in the NFL? If he has no control now, when he gets settled in it will resuface in either it or some other type of form. Just say no!
Offside Number 76 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) Exactly. Lot's of whats wrong with pot posts here. IT IS A CONDITION OF YOUR EMPLOYMENT THAT YOU NOT USE IT. Case closed. For my part, anyway, I'm not questioning whether it is a condition of employment in the NFL. I'm questioning why it is a condition of employment. And "because it's illegal" doesn't work for me, for the reasons I gave above. EDIT: It's also not illegal everywhere. Edited April 20, 2012 by Offsides Number 76
NoSaint Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 For my part, anyway, I'm not questioning whether it is a condition of employment in the NFL. I'm questioning why it is a condition of employment. And "because it's illegal" doesn't work for me, for the reasons I gave above. EDIT: It's also not illegal everywhere. because the players have a collectively bargained drug policy that they and the owners have agreed to?
Bud Adams Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Don't you remember the year "Vontaze" hit number one on the baby name lists? I believe it was the year after "Mercilus" and before "Blaine." BA Trust me, I love weed. But if someone says you will make millions to stop it for a month, I'm going cold turkey. If a guy can't do that, you seriously have to wonder about his motivation once he gets those millions. I agree with this. Unlike alcohol, Marijuana is not physically addictive -- in some cases it can be mentally addictive. Most people can quit any time they wish. Just plain stupid on Mike Adams' part. BA
frogger Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Well there goes any idea of Adams being in a Bills uniform. Did you guys read where Mayock says that Vontaze Burfect is "non-draftable"? Ouch. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/19/mayock-calls-vontaze-burfict-a-non-draftable-kid/ Burfect, can be a very good "example" for a coach. Bringing him into a situation only to cut him, not for his play but his attitude, shows a young team that they won't take his or anyone's BS. I am not concern about his pot use, we were all 20 something on the cusp of becoming a millionaire, girls thrown at us from everywhere, trading goods and services for tattoos once, am I right? let it slide.
Offside Number 76 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) because the players have a collectively bargained drug policy that they and the owners have agreed to? Best answer I've seen so far. Adams is not a member of the union, but still, best answer I've seen. Edited April 20, 2012 by Offsides Number 76
Bud Adams Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Adams is not a member of the union, but still, best answer I've seen. Great point. He chose to do something stupid, so teams can choose to pass on him, costing him far more than a suspension would have. If I were Adams, I'd WISH I were a member of the union and had a contract in place. BA
Offside Number 76 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Great point. He chose to do something stupid, so teams can choose to pass on him, costing him far more than a suspension would have. If I were Adams, I'd WISH I were a member of the union and had a contract in place. BA Hey, I hope he falls all the way down to the Bills' second round pick. They then can take two good players who are being passed over. Floyd, who illegally consumed alcohol, and this guy.
NoSaint Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Best answer I've seen so far. Adams is not a member of the union, but still, best answer I've seen. The other half being, he's not required to go to the combine. Attending is by invitation and he knew what it included.
Offside Number 76 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 The other half being, he's not required to go to the combine. Attending is by invitation and he knew what it included. That misses the question of why it is included.
NickelCity Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 I can't wait for the day when one of the major sports leagues says they'll stop testing for/prohibiting marijuana use. Hopefully it starts a trend. Ideally we'd see full on legalization, but I get more cynical as to whether it's possible as the years go by. Now, for Mike Adams, if I were him I would have stopped smoking for a month or two before the combine. Maybe he did and thought he was clean, but trace amounts were left...he is a LT after all, and it takes longer to get clean if you have more bodyfat... Anyway, I couldn't care less about prospects and weed. I know many players who - beyond being revered by fans and praised for their character - smoke (and smoked) weed regularly throughout their careers.
Stealth Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Walmarts do the pee test. The Publix supermarkets in fl. do mouth swabs. I understand the mouth swabs detect thc up to 6 months after use. My son skateboarded into a mailbox once.....20 stitches. Not sure if he was high . ha probably not. I remember years back when I was just learning how to rollerblade I was going down a hill and got clotheslined by scaffolding. Some 18 odd years later still happy the whole thing didn't fall on me, and that no one was on it
NoSaint Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) That misses the question of why it is included. It does, but the logical answer to why is: its required because it will be a required part of the job at random dates throughout the future, of course it makes sense to include a basic screen here. Truly, much like the wonderlic, its probably not nearly as much a matter of really caring about the kids getting high or an 18 vs a 24 but absurd low scores (or in this case failing the drug test) are telling clubs - DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON THIS GUY (and yes, in all caps). They can be productive great players everyone loves, but it seems logical to include in the process. I was just noting in my previous reply that he failed a known drug test that wasnt even truly a hardline requirement to take pre-employment. As he is not a member of the NFLPA, simply the nfl invited him to show up and show off his talents and he was the schlub that embarrassed them by failing what should have been the easiest event of both the day, and his life. Edited April 20, 2012 by NoSaint
eme123 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Nice to see all the pot heads at TBD slowly crawling out of the wood work. Anyone into crack?
yungmack Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Adams was also one of the players involved in that "Tattoo" scandal that get his head coach fired.
Bud Adams Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Nice to see all the pot heads at TBD slowly crawling out of the wood work. Anyone into crack? Yeah, what of it? *sniff*
dpberr Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 The thing about a draftee on pot is that you may end up getting the Michael Beasley of the NFL. Beasley was an incredible NBA talent, the #2 pick of the 2008 NBA draft...but his problems with pot affected how he played in turning him from a #2 talent to just another guy. As an organization that's ready to drop millions of dollars on a player, why bother with the problem? Let somebody else deal with it.
KD in CA Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Various feelings on the legality of Marijuana are irrelevant (I'm in favor of legalizing it. There's no solid research showing it's worse than alchohol or a 'gateway' drug). It is currently illegal. The NFL does not like players doing illegal things regardless. It's a 'hot button' issue. Bingo. People who can't or won't understand that simply have no clue about the type of business being operated by the NFL. I can't wait for the day when one of the major sports leagues says they'll stop testing for/prohibiting marijuana use. You'll be waiting a long time. It'll never happen as long marijuana is illegal. Nice to see all the pot heads at TBD slowly crawling out of the wood work. And proudly refusing to acknowledge the realities of the world around them.
NoSaint Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Adams was also one of the players involved in that "Tattoo" scandal that get his head coach fired. Which, like this, ranks highly in the issues i really dont care about from a moral standpoint - but is yet another flag that he picks and chooses what rules apply to him, consequences be damned. i think with atleast some GMs that was his get out of jail free card, and to have another incident might let him actually really slide. someone will take him and it will likely still be round 2 (unless there are issues we dont know about) but this guy has red flags flying high at this point.
Willyville Guy Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Adams was also one of the players involved in that "Tattoo" scandal that get his head coach fired. Correct - he was suspended last season for trading his personal sports memorabilia for tattoos. That, combined with the pot thing, tells me "Big Mike" has a hard time staying out of trouble. He is a beast on the field though....
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