Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 Jeff Wright (how do you beat the Super Bowl era Bills? up the middle) Robert Royal is a good one (feet inbounds, moron) Collins/Losman/Edwards (all were given too much time to fail) This and John Fina Mark kelso Jeff posey Sam Adams Kelso was good and Adams was great with Pat and was the last time we had a good defense, Also he manned the best D of all time with Siragusa in Baltimore.
brenty Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 This and John Fina Kelso was good and Adams was great with Pat and was the last time we had a good defense, Also he manned the best D of all time with Siragusa in Baltimore. i agree mark kelso was a great FS http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KelsMa21.htm enjoy his stats. bills thought he was so horrible he was there for 8 years...
truth on hold Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) MARK KELSO?!?!?! REALLY?!?!?!? With the freedom a free safety had on that defense, with the pressure they got on the QB with smith, bennett etc, on a team that was often playing with a lead forcing the opponent into obvious passing situations, he should have been a standout rather than a footnote. Imagine Byrd in that same setup? His impact would have been a lot greater This and John Fina Kelso was good and Adams was great with Pat and was the last time we had a good defense, Also he manned the best D of all time with Siragusa in Baltimore. Exactly, that's why I'm po'd with Adams: they let big pat go thinking Adams could handle it on his own, and all he did was stink up the joint. We should have kept pat and sent Sam "the Michelin man" packing Edited April 13, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack
BiggieScooby Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 How about inanimate objects? #3 Mark Kelso's bubble helmet #2 Thurman's lost helmet ala SB26 #1 OJ's "glove"
Chandler#81 Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 1334318377[/url]' post='2435882']How about inanimate objects? #3 Mark Kelso's bubble helmet #2 Thurman's lost helmet ala SB26 #1 OJ's "glove" How about not. Kelso was only average and was my 1st thought as well. Others: Van Pelt & Gilbert, Ostrowski, Ken Jones, Dave and Paul Costa -no relation, Norwood and our current Raspy-Sam Aiken
mountainwampus Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 1. Chris Kelsay 2. Mark Kelsay 3. Chris Kelso
smuvtalker Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 Make your top 3 worst analogies between Buffalo athletes and historical Russian figures!!!! Clint Malarchuk : Catherine the Great - Instead of dying while fornicating with a horse he got his throat slashed with a skate and lived. Ko Simpson : Anastasia Romanov - Unfathomable net worth yet managed to disappear without a trace. JP Losman : Yuri Gegarin - First man in space and first QB to put a ball into sub orbit on a 5 yard out. :lol:
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 Kelsey gets alot of hate on this baord but he was our best defender most of the time last year besides Byrd Ill go Dickie J Trent Edwards Robert Royal Good call on royal. Forgot about him
Mr. WEO Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 Kelsey gets alot of hate on this baord but he was our best defender most of the time last year besides Byrd Ill go Dickie J Trent Edwards Robert Royal Were those the times, say, when Dareus, Barnett and GEorge Wilson weren't on the field or something?
hondo in seattle Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 Make your top 3 worst analogies between Buffalo athletes and historical Russian figures!!!! Clint Malarchuk : Catherine the Great - Instead of dying while fornicating with a horse he got his throat slashed with a skate and lived. Ko Simpson : Anastasia Romanov - Unfathomable net worth yet managed to disappear without a trace. JP Losman : Yuri Gegarin - First man in space and first QB to put a ball into sub orbit on a 5 yard out. This made me chuckle.
Mark Vader Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 How about not. Kelso was only average and was my 1st thought as well. Others: Van Pelt & Gilbert, Ostrowski, Ken Jones, Dave and Paul Costa -no relation, Norwood and our current Raspy-Sam Aiken Norwood? Give me a break! You only picked him because of the Super Bowl. Norwood scored a lot of points for the Bills over his career and was a damn good kicker.
Captain Hindsight Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 Norwood? Give me a break! You only picked him because of the Super Bowl. Norwood scored a lot of points for the Bills over his career and was a damn good kicker. Norwood used to shank extra points
eball Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) Norwood used to shank extra points Was it Norwood or Christie who had that absolutely brutal Sunday or Monday night game against Cleveland back in the early 90s? I don't recall all of the specifics, but there were numerous missed PATs and FGs, and finally the Bills won on a chip shot. EDIT: it was Christie, and 1995. He missed one PAT and one FG but won it at the end. Norwood also had a horrible game against the Raiders in LA in '91 I think...missed several kicks and a PAT but eventually won the game in OT. EDIT: it was 1991. Norwood was 0-3 in FG attempts and missed a PAT in the 4th quarter, before hitting for the win in OT. For the record, Norwood was a career 271/278 (97.5%) on PATs. Which isn't really very good when you think about it. By comparison, Christie was a career 468/473 (98.9%), and Lindell is currently 362/363. Edited April 13, 2012 by eball
Mark Vader Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 As for the topic at hand, my choices would be: 3. Lonnie Johnson 2. Mike Williams 1. Rob Johnson
Stealth Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) 1. Joe Burns 2. JP Losman 3. Jim Leonhard (Yeah I know everyone loves little Jimmy. Sorry I saw a guy who was consistently overmatched, horrible in run support, and not much better in coverage. During his time in Buffalo was our worst safety by a mile. Yet the Legend of Jim Leonhard died hard amongst fans touting him to be something more than what he was. I'll never forget Rich Gannon commentating during a Bills/Jags game. The Jags had just scored on a long pass play and Gannon said "Leonhard has no place on a football field this was the worst attempt at coverage I may have ever seen." I'm gonna take Joe Burns off this list since he wasnt a starter. I just never understood how he kept making the roster. I'll replace him with Jeff Posey Edited April 13, 2012 by Stealth
plenzmd1 Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) With the freedom a free safety had on that defense, with the pressure they got on the QB with smith, bennett etc, on a team that was often playing with a lead forcing the opponent into obvious passing situations, he should have been a standout rather than a footnote. Imagine Byrd in that same setup? His impact would have been a lot greater #1) Kelso was the first guy that came to my mind as well. My brother and I used to get in fights all the time ..he defended him, i thought he was terrible.Kurt Shultz is a real close 2nd in the safety department #2) Jeff Wright good lord was he awful #3) OJ Simpson...LOL my old man always screaming at the TV Jim Braxton was a "better man" than OJ, and OJ was a prima donna, and Braxton would be the better runner if given a chance. Edited April 13, 2012 by plenzmd1
brenty Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 With the freedom a free safety had on that defense, with the pressure they got on the QB with smith, bennett etc, on a team that was often playing with a lead forcing the opponent into obvious passing situations, he should have been a standout rather than a footnote. Imagine Byrd in that same setup? His impact would have been a lot greater Exactly, that's why I'm po'd with Adams: they let big pat go thinking Adams could handle it on his own, and all he did was stink up the joint. We should have kept pat and sent Sam "the Michelin man" packing ahhh yes our old defense. I remember we had the all time sack leader on our team, with phil hansen, cornellius bennett, darryl talley, and many more. with just those guys they had over 300 sacks. Now i believe when you have that many sacks, they really dont have time to throw the ball or couldn't. Byrd is a great player. he had one great year of being at the right place, but next year will be the deciding marker to see if he really has the right to be a franchise FS. Oh ya, forgot mark kelso played here for 8 years, ya we didn't see anything in him. I am sure marv would have cut him if he was bad. name our last good FS? (besides byrd) you might say henry jones, yup kelso's stats were better, Saimes? dammit, again kelso's stats were better.Now both of those players had a good defense, so i believe kelso was a great player on our team and should deserve more credit
RevWarRifleman Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 Actually, unfortunately, there's so many. So with that in mind, I'll put it this way: 1. About 98% of the starters on the 1984-5 teams. Remember those 2-14 teams? They couldn't get out of their OWN way. 2. Most of our defense from about 2003-2009, especially against the run. Painful to watch.
truth on hold Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) ahhh yes our old defense. I remember we had the all time sack leader on our team, with phil hansen, cornellius bennett, darryl talley, and many more. with just those guys they had over 300 sacks. Now i believe when you have that many sacks, they really dont have time to throw the ball or couldn't. Byrd is a great player. he had one great year of being at the right place, but next year will be the deciding marker to see if he really has the right to be a franchise FS. Oh ya, forgot mark kelso played here for 8 years, ya we didn't see anything in him. I am sure marv would have cut him if he was bad. name our last good FS? (besides byrd) you might say henry jones, yup kelso's stats were better, Saimes? dammit, again kelso's stats were better.Now both of those players had a good defense, so i believe kelso was a great player on our team and should deserve more credit Pssssst .... Henry jones was a strong safety Edited April 13, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack
Chandler#81 Posted April 13, 2012 Posted April 13, 2012 1334336512[/url]' post='2436084']Norwood? Give me a break! You only picked him because of the Super Bowl. Norwood scored a lot of points for the Bills over his career and was a damn good kicker. Of course I'm not picking him because of SBXXV. He was average on turf (not a strong leg) and weak on grass. When we finally got a decent kicker -Christie-, Scotty's demand was so high, he was never heard from again. IMO, it took the Bills way too long to find a better kicker. Ergo Rasputin.
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