Claiborne gets a 4 in the wonderlic

[3rdand12]

I was being nice because i'm one of those kinda folks that tends to like everyone and will give respect upfront first. unless you piss me off. a story for another day perhaps.

But this kid seemed too nice to call idiot. his phrasing seemed scripted but he was paying attention. And his smile was genuine and heck us dumb guys are a happy bunch usually. now where did i put that damn wonderlic this time?

[JoeF]

The "leaking" of this info on this kid will have zero impact on his draft position. Any GM who changes his draft score on a player on April 3rd based on a wonderlic is likely amonst the least intellignet GMs in history.

 

Also, is it even possible that any GM does not aready know that a possible top 10 pick has a learning disability.

 

This is all nonsense. The kid will be fine. (I'm leaving out the foolishness of drafting a CB in the top 10 for purposes of discussion of the OP).

 

 

Most GM's who would draft Claiborne are on bad teams with little job security.

Most owners would not want to invest a top tier pick in a kid with a 4.

Owners pay the GM. Fans put pressure on the team to perform (unless you are a Bills fan).

The leaking of this puts pressure on a thin ice GM not to risk this pick because the owner and fans will say--"How could you draft a kid who scored a four?" if Claiborne is a bust.

 

Yes it will impact where he is drafted...not for football reasons but by owner and fan pressure for GM's whose job security is tenative.

 

Just my opinion.

[Geno Smith's Arm]

A lot of the interview sounded like he was giving prepackaged responses and standard-issue football cliches. Not that that makes his interview substantially different than 90+ % of the player or coach interviews which occur!

 

That said, I agree he sounded more intelligent than a 4 on the Wonderlic would imply.

Compared to McKelvin, he seems eloquent. I hope he falls to the Bills. The Bills will have a better gauge of how sharp he is from interviewing him themselves.

[Beastly Dareus]

The Wonderlic scores are supposed to be confidential by NFL policy but they still get leaked every year. Is there a federal law though on maintaining test score secrecy? If there was one, I doubt we would see these leaks.

 

Yes, the federal law to protect student test scores is FERPA (Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act). The wonderlic scores get released through the media who seem to not be able to keep their mouths shut and same goes with some team front office personal.

 

Its something the NFL needs to fix and address.

[NoSaint]

Yes, the federal law to protect student test scores is FERPA (Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act). The wonderlic scores get released through the media who seem to not be able to keep their mouths shut and same goes with some team front office personal.

 

Its something the NFL needs to fix and address.

 

I don't believe this would be covered, but I'm no expert.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Maybe he read about the negative correlation between Wonderlic scores and the performance of defensive backs and decided to blow the bottom off the curve intentionally?

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Fitz recorded a nearly perfect score on his test (I think it was 49 out of 50), while both Jim Kelly and Dan Marino, I believe, scored under 20. Who would you rather have quarterbacking your team?

Yes, but we're talking about a 4, not a 17.

 

If he should drop to the Bills, I hope they do not take him...

Don't we already have a CB currently on the team now with great athletic ability who can not put a sentence together??? ... He has left his jock on the field too many times with receivers out foxing him ... He too had a very low Wonderlic score... That to me is a warning sign for not being able to learn... I hope the Bills let him go to someone else ......

From the link that ….lybob provided he seems like a typical college football player. It didn't appear that he was having trouble speaking at all.

 

The maturity of a bunch of people in this thread is really embarrassing. Do alittle research in the circumstances of the Claiborne case before insulting him.

 

Grow the heck up people, some of you older people on this board are pretty darn incompetent and immature. Mo Claiborne has a known learning disability that has been known since he was a high school star. He received special help in reading and writing in both college and high school. That has not affected his play on the football field. He is a great character and a very talented CB.

 

 

Also, Great defensive backs such as Darrell Revis scored a 9 on the wonderlick test and look at his play. Sean Taylor scored a 10. Patrick Peterson scored a 9. You don't need to be a genius to play CB in the NFL.

 

Hall of Fame QB, Dan Marino scored a 14. Point is, I doubt many of these athletes care enough to seriously take the wonderlic test especially those who play positions where is doesn't really matter.

 

Lastly, all the so called adults that made your insulting remarks in this thread should be ashamed of yourselves. God forbid that you guys have a child with a learning disability. And God forbid any of you even have children, I can sense the moral lessons you teach your children. What a shame today's society is.

It's spelled Wonderlic.

 

And apparently most of us are bad people.

[prissythecat]

Yes, the federal law to protect student test scores is FERPA (Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act). The wonderlic scores get released through the media who seem to not be able to keep their mouths shut and same goes with some team front office personal.

 

Its something the NFL needs to fix and address.

 

 

Ah. That law applies to educational institutions not the NFL.

[Beastly Dareus]

It's spelled Wonderlic.

 

And apparently most of us are bad people.

 

O now its the spell checker

 

your pathetic man. Wow I added a "k" to the end of it. Notice I spelled it correct the other times I mentioned it

 

 

Ah. That law applies to educational institutions not the NFL.

 

You asked if there was a federal law to protect test score secrecy, so I named one

 

But to be serious wonderlic scores aren't "suppose" to be released. And Im pretty certain it could translate to an intentional tort case involving invasion of privacy or false light if Claiborne's family have good lawyers. And especially in this case since Claiborne has a learning disability.

Edited April 4, 2012 by Beastly Dareus

[Ozymandius]

He might just be really clever. From a publicity standpoint, scoring a 4 was great. I don't know who scored the highest or in the middle or anything else. I know Claibore scored a 4.

[Jtowntobuffalo]

I went to school with a few people who had learning disabiltys. They required individual education plans that for example needed all test read to them. Some people's brains just learn information different. One of those "special education" kids ended up going to Yale on a partial academic scholarship.

 

Could you imagine walking into to a test with the best football players in the country and asking to have special accommodations and have the test read to you. Wouldn't happen, you would take the test listen to the world mock your stupidity and then explain your disabilty to teams.

 

I am not saying this is the case but I wouldn't judge him yet. Why they even have this test is beyond me. You can learn everything you need to know about a persons intellect from a 1 on 1 interview. Teams will find out from his meetings if he is inteligent enough to play in the NFL if there doing there jobs.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

O now its the spell checker

 

your pathetic man. Wow I added a "k" to the end of it. Notice I spelled it correct the other times I mentioned it

 

 

 

 

You asked if there was a federal law to protect test score secrecy, so I named one

 

But to be serious wonderlic scores aren't "suppose" to be released. And Im pretty certain it could translate to an intentional tort case involving invasion of privacy or false light if Claiborne's family have good lawyers. And especially in this case since Claiborne has a learning disability.

Yeah, you are obviously a person of high virtue and great moral fiber.

 

I hope I can be as wonderful as you someday.

Edited April 4, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan

[NoSaint]

O now its the spell checker

 

your pathetic man. Wow I added a "k" to the end of it. Notice I spelled it correct the other times I mentioned it

 

 

 

 

You asked if there was a federal law to protect test score secrecy, so I named one

 

But to be serious wonderlic scores aren't "suppose" to be released. And Im pretty certain it could translate to an intentional tort case involving invasion of privacy or false light if Claiborne's family have good lawyers. And especially in this case since Claiborne has a learning disability.

 

Come on - you had no idea before you got called out, and you still have no idea what privacy is promised to these guys. All you do know is you heard they weren't supposed to be public.

[NoSaint]

Shame on those of you who poked fun at Claiborne. Try to be as good a person as Beastly Dareus.

 

Doesn't he know you're learning disabled?

[Beastly Dareus]

Come on - you had no idea before you got called out, and you still have no idea what privacy is promised to these guys. All you do know is you heard they weren't supposed to be public.

 

I was called out? He asked if there was any laws that protect test score secrecy then I answered his question with FERPA

 

If the scores aren't suppose to be released then there has to be an amount of privacy promised to the players. His wonderlic scores were publicized along with his learning disability. You don't have to be a lawyer to figure out that is a invasion of privacy and/or false light charge.

[NoSaint]

I was called out? He asked if there was any laws that protect test score secrecy then I answered his question with FERPA

 

If the scores aren't suppose to be released then there has to be an amount of privacy promised to the players. His wonderlic scores were publicized along with his learning disability. You don't have to be a lawyer to figure out that is a invasion of privacy and/or false light charge.

 

Honestly, these kids aren't covered by the CBA or any nflpa negotiation here if I recall correctly - that could be wrong though. I just thought I remembered last year that essentially the moment they were drafted they became locked out members of the labor dispute. I'm not 100% sure if this is just an nfl courtesy not to release them (primarily motivated by the fact that they might be embarrassed by a lot more scores) or if they enter any privacy agreement with these kids when they take it. Feel free to enlighten me on that though, I actually am genuinely curious at this point. It's certainly not covered by the first laws you cited though.

[Beastly Dareus]

Shame on those of you who poked fun at Claiborne. Try to be as good a person as Beastly Dareus.

 

It's amusing you find it "ok" to insult or poke fun of someone with a disability. Then someone who has morals and speaks out against it (pretty darn proud I had real parents who disciplined me that way) you decide to give that person a hard time. But the only comebacks you have is to find a typo and spell check error and poke fun at the person with moral dignity.

 

You honestly have no life Mr. San Jose Bills Fan.

Edited April 4, 2012 by Beerball

[San Jose Bills Fan]

It's amusing you find it "ok" to insult or poke fun of someone with a disability. Then someone who has morals and speaks out against it (pretty darn proud I had real parents who disciplined me that way) you decide to give that person a hard time. But the only comebacks you have is to find a typo and spell check error and poke fun at the person with moral dignity.

 

You honestly have no life Mr. San Jose Bills Fan.

I poked fun at a person with a disability?

 

That's weird. I don't remember doing that.

 

As for your last sentence, who better to judge the character of others than yourself?

 

I'm happy for you that you have morals and real parents… and the ability to judge total strangers and and make insulting remarks to them.

 

 

[Beastly Dareus]

Honestly, these kids aren't covered by the CBA or any nflpa negotiation here if I recall correctly - that could be wrong though. I just thought I remembered last year that essentially the moment they were drafted they became locked out members of the labor dispute. I'm not 100% sure if this is just an nfl courtesy not to release them (primarily motivated by the fact that they might be embarrassed by a lot more scores) or if they enter any privacy agreement with these kids when they take it. Feel free to enlighten me on that though, I actually am genuinely curious at this point. It's certainly not covered by the first laws you cited though.

 

I didn't say FERPA covered covered this. I mentioned FERPA as a law that protected "test score secrecy".

 

However, once again the NFL has said wonderlic scores are not suppose to be publicized. I remember specifically reading about how the NFL has safeguards in place to protect that information. In addition, I understand that there are suppose to be penalties if teams let that information out into the public. Bus Cook, an NFL agent, in a interview today said the same thing. If that is true, then intentional tort laws in the category of invasion of privacy and false light do cover this.

 

I do not know the circumstances behind "why" the NFL has the policy. I would assume like you, that it is due to courtesy or embarrassment. Or maybe event in cases like MO Claiborne, it is designed to protect players with learning disabilities from dealing with the topic in the public. There have been a decent amount of players with learning disabilities to play in the NFL, most recently - Ellis Lankster (Bills draft pick).

 

As to the CBA or NFLPA not covering them.... aren't they covered under the CBA once they hire an agent and declare for draft eligibility? I was under that impression. I may be wrong though?

[NoSaint]

I didn't say FERPA covered covered this. I mentioned FERPA as a law that protected "test score secrecy".

 

However, once again the NFL has said wonderlic scores are not suppose to be publicized. I remember specifically reading about how the NFL has safeguards in place to protect that information. In addition, I understand that there are suppose to be penalties if teams let that information out into the public. Bus Cook, an NFL agent, in a interview today said the same thing. If that is true, then intentional tort laws in the category of invasion of privacy and false light do cover this.

 

I do not know the circumstances behind "why" the NFL has the policy. I would assume like you, that it is due to courtesy or embarrassment. Or maybe event in cases like MO Claiborne, it is designed to protect players with learning disabilities from dealing with the topic in the public. There have been a decent amount of players with learning disabilities to play in the NFL, most recently - Ellis Lankster (Bills draft pick).

 

As to the CBA or NFLPA not covering them.... aren't they covered under the CBA once they hire an agent and declare for draft eligibility? I was under that impression. I may be wrong though?

 

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they aren't under the CBA until draft day. Hiring an agent wouldn't make me an nflpa member.

 

Further, depending on what coverages are in place I'd venture what Claiborne has as far as recourse could vary hugely. If the nfl just tells its teams not to release it, but doesn't promise the players it won't be released.... Although theres still some expectation of privacy, I imagine it wouldn't be the same as entering a confidentiality agreement with the player directly. The person could be punished under their contract with the nfl for violating a workplace rule but that doesnt mean MC has a lockdown case (I really don't know the law there).

 

And why did you quote a law that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand unless you thought it applied somehow? As an aside, it just doesn't make sense.