Beastly Dareus Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Not out of the realm that a team in the in the back half of the top 10 leaked this to see him drop to them. This is a cut throat business and a race for talent. Claiborne has lots of skill at a highly coveted position. Well whichever team leaked this information out should face a penalty from the NFL... since it is illegal to make test scores public of learning disabled people
BILLS_ROC Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 The maturity of a bunch of people in this thread is really embarrassing. Do alittle research in the circumstances of the Claiborne case before insulting him. Grow the heck up people, some of you older people on this board are pretty darn incompetent and immature. Mo Claiborne has a known learning disability that has been known since he was a high school star. He received special help in reading and writing in both college and high school. That has not affected his play on the football field. He is a great character and a very talented CB. Also, Great defensive backs such as Darrell Revis scored a 9 on the wonderlick test and look at his play. Sean Taylor scored a 10. Patrick Peterson scored a 9. You don't need to be a genius to play CB in the NFL. Hall of Fame QB, Dan Marino scored a 14. Point is, I doubt many of these athletes care enough to seriously take the wonderlic test especially those who play positions where is doesn't really matter. Lastly, all the so called adults that made your insulting remarks in this thread should be ashamed of yourselves. God forbid that you guys have a child with a learning disability. And God forbid any of you even have children, I can sense the moral lessons you teach your children. What a shame today's society is. In my opinion, people voicing concern about a pre-draft measurement of any kind is just fine. A player wouldn't be getting a free pass for a known physical disability on this board either. If they did 4 bench press reps, that would be a concern, because it's one of the few ways that we have to measure ability. If a player were assisted with their bench press in college, would they get a free pass for doing 4 reps at the combine because of a known physical deficiency? There are concepts that need to be learned to succeed in a particular NFL defensive scheme. Maybe the wonderlic should be replaced by an abstract playbook style of testing. But for now, it's how player intelligence is gauged. As far as I see it, Bills fans want to see their team win, and if that means commenting about what they see as red flags in this years draft class, so be it.
Bangarang Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Of course I'd prefer the guy be smart but he has already proven he can play!!!!!!!!! If he slips to 10 get ready for some HONEY BADGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Bills Claiborne isn't Honey Badger. That's Tyrann Mathieu.
Beastly Dareus Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 In my opinion, people voicing concern about a pre-draft measurement of any kind is just fine. A player wouldn't be getting a free pass for a known physical disability on this board either. If they did 4 bench press reps, that would be a concern, because it's one of the few ways that we have to measure ability. If a player were assisted with their bench press in college, would they get a free pass for doing 4 reps at the combine because of a known physical deficiency? There are concepts that need to be learned to succeed in a particular NFL defensive scheme. Maybe the wonderlic should be replaced by an abstract playbook style of testing. But for now, it's how player intelligence is gauged. As far as I see it, Bills fans want to see their team win, and if that means commenting about what they see as red flags in this years draft class, so be it. Read further into my comment instead of what you want it to read as. There is a bigger moral message to what I wrote. Anyone that participates or condones insulting people because of a learning disability should receive counseling themselves. This thread was created for the sole purpose of further insulting someone who has a known learning disability. The fact that mods allow this thread to still be open only shows how ethically and morally incorrect they are.
Mr. WEO Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 The "leaking" of this info on this kid will have zero impact on his draft position. Any GM who changes his draft score on a player on April 3rd based on a wonderlic is likely amonst the least intellignet GMs in history. Also, is it even possible that any GM does not aready know that a possible top 10 pick has a learning disability. This is all nonsense. The kid will be fine. (I'm leaving out the foolishness of drafting a CB in the top 10 for purposes of discussion of the OP).
turftoe Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 If I were Claiborne's agent, I would set him up for a 2 hour tutorial with Fitz and have him retake it.
Orton's Arm Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Who cares? He's a cornerback, not a QB or Center or MLB, who makes calls or adjustments. As long as he runs a 4.4 and can cover the other teams best receiver, I'll take him on my team all day. McKelvin has great physical gifts too, and no one expected him to fall to the Bills at #11. The reason he's not part of the Bills' long-term plans at starting CB is because he lacks good instincts. Getting a four on the Wonderlic does not necessarily mean Claiborne will fail for the same reason McKelvin failed. But it's a very significant cause for concern.
BILLS_ROC Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 McKelvin has great physical gifts too, and no one expected him to fall to the Bills at #11. The reason he's not part of the Bills' long-term plans at starting CB is because he lacks good instincts. Getting a four on the Wonderlic does not necessarily mean Claiborne will fail for the same reason McKelvin failed. But it's a very significant cause for concern. I couldn't have said it any better.
NoSaint Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 McKelvin has great physical gifts too, and no one expected him to fall to the Bills at #11. The reason he's not part of the Bills' long-term plans at starting CB is because he lacks good instincts. Getting a four on the Wonderlic does not necessarily mean Claiborne will fail for the same reason McKelvin failed. But it's a very significant cause for concern. A learning disability that keeps him from reading but still high functioning in other areas is best case scenario, and seems to be what we have here. Hopefully.
....lybob Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 If Claiborne fall to 10 you sprint up to the platform hand in his name and give praise to a loving god- sacks are good but interceptions are better.
ieatcrayonz Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Claiborne isn't Honey Badger. That's Tyrann Mathieu. I believe Honey Badger is the title given to the best DB at LSU. No offense but I think Claiborne earned that this year. I am sure Mathieu will be the Honey Badger next year. Who knows, maybe we'll end up with two on our roster.
missthe kgun Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Seriously. At least we wouldn't have to worry about him retiring at age 26 to become a teacher or go to business school. lol. funny, but so true!!!
prissythecat Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Well whichever team leaked this information out should face a penalty from the NFL... since it is illegal to make test scores public of learning disabled people The Wonderlic scores are supposed to be confidential by NFL policy but they still get leaked every year. Is there a federal law though on maintaining test score secrecy? If there was one, I doubt we would see these leaks.
TAinLack. Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 http://espn.go.com/p...020228test.html for example questions http://profootballta...-the-wonderlic/ for the report on this Ohhhhhkayyyy He can STILL tie his own shoes....right?
Beerball Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Claiborne isn't Honey Badger. That's Tyrann Mathieu. You'll have to go back and read my post on page 1 or 2. Claiborne was the honey badger before the honey badger was the honey badger. You can look it up if you want to. It was posted here a month or so ago.
Alaska Darin Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 That is just a silly comment. vanderbilt is an amazing school How's their FB team? Terrible. Is the exception somehow the rule? Heck UGA is considered one of the leading centers for the fight against Cancer. How many "student athletes" are part of that center? I can name more, but if you have someone who is fighting Cancer, you should eat your words quickly. The SEC has very prestigious universities. They should, they bring in the most athletic money. When you bring in big money, you have more to throw around at other **** to make up for how !@#$ed up the athletic department and the education of "student athletes" really is. Yes some of the football players and other big sports turn out guys that will never be doctors or lawyers. You could say the same thing about ACC, Big East, Big Ten and so on... And I do. Penn State is my favorite whipping boy. The cover up that's been going on there for over a decade is just now seeing the light of day. It's too bad all the "journalists" in this country refuse to report what really goes on under the covers at these "prestigious" universities. If the kid has a learning disablity then that says something. It'll say even more if he ends up with a diploma from LSU. Though I really don't care and would be thrilled if the BILLS draft him because he can flat out ball. His football IQ looks to be off the charts, which is all I care about for a CB. If he was a QB, that would give me pause. Marcel Dareus seems like a very well spoken intelligent person. And? Keep spreading stereo types that are long gone. As unpalatable as it is, pretty much all stereotypes are based in truth.
Malazan Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I'm all for a good pile-on, but the wonderlic is useless.
CBD Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I just tried to find an interview with Claiborne so I could see how well he speaks and was surprised to find absolutely nothing on youtube or through google... This kid is a Top 5 pick and there are no interviews of him? I wonder if the "Claiborne Camp" is keeping all of that stuff under wraps because it could hurt his draft stock.. I remember watching an interview of Leodis McKelvin after the bills drafted him and being like Here's an interview with ESPN America: He seems more with it than the interviewer.
3rdand12 Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Here's an interview with ESPN America: youtube.com/watch?v=VliWDGJ101s He seems more with it than the interviewer. nice post. he seems aware of his surroundings, able to think on his feet. and a nice kid!
Orton's Arm Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 nice post. he seems aware of his surroundings, able to think on his feet. and a nice kid! A lot of the interview sounded like he was giving prepackaged responses and standard-issue football cliches. Not that that makes his interview substantially different than 90+ % of the player or coach interviews which occur! That said, I agree he sounded more intelligent than a 4 on the Wonderlic would imply.
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