Armchair GM Posted March 29, 2012 Posted March 29, 2012 So we don't have to search several other posts... Armchair GM's mock draft 2.0: 1.) Luke Keuchly, LB - BC; Tackling machine that can play all 3 LB positions in the 4-3, and play them all well. alt. pick Stephen Hill, WR - Georgia Tech; May be a reach at 10, but I can't get over this kids physical tools (stop with the "lack of production" bs...he was in a Triple Option O and still averaged 29.2YPC) 2.) Rueben Randle, WR - LSU; This kid just gets better and better every day. Savvy route runner with great strength/size combo. Creates separation and has big play (YAC) potential all over him. Characterized as an extremely hard worker, on and off the field. alt. pick Shea McClellin, OLB - Boise State; RELENTLESS...never stops and makes plays sideline to sideline 3.) Matt McCants, OT - UAB; Production, production, production...Started 7 games as a true freshman and played in 11 out of 12. Aside from the 2008 season (sat out because of academics) he's started every game @ LT and is considered one of the best offensive players ever to come out of UAB. Simply doesn't allow sacks.(Bench reps are a concern, but a good strength and conditioning program will fix hat) 4a.) Michael Egnew, TE - Mizzu; Tall, strong & sure handed receiving TE that can attack the seem and be a red zone threat. Plus he's got a step on most LB's in the NFL. 4b.) Josh Norman, CB - Coastal Carolina; Big South stand out that squashed any concerns with his ability to play with the big boys at the E/W Shrine game and Sr. Bowl. Opposing teams caught on and avoided throwing his way. 5a.) Jack Crawford, DE - Penn St; decent production, hard worker that makes all the hustle plays. Tall with long arms and has a knack of getting his hands up and in passing lanes. Will provide quality depth and most likely surpass the competition for rotational duty @ DE. 5b.) Coryell Judie, CB - Texas A&M; Late start in football, but has exceptional ball skills and savvy hands. Strong and athletic and has good closing ability. Attacks WR at the line and is a blitzing threat. 6.) Tank Carder, OLB - TCU; A LB named Tank...fitting, eh? Attacks gaps and closes well on the ball carrier. Blows up blockers and makes plays...plus, great story behind this kid, although may cause some concern due to the severe nature of past injuries, albeit many years ago. 7a.) Andrew Datko, OT -Florida St; Totally worth the risk if he falls this far after suffering a 2nd major shoulder injury. Prior to the injury, ha had a day 1 grade. 7b.) Dale Moss, WR - SD State; Although a HS Standout in Basketball and Football, he went to SD St. on a BBall scholarship and played only 1 year of football...but, it was a great year (61/949/6) and his pro day performance (4.38 40, 41.5" vert and a 6.32 short shuttle, that holds the record for fastest ever at any position) instantly put this kid on te radar. Rare size/speed combo @ 6'3" with explosive change of direction (see shuttle time). I hope this kid continues to fly under the radar, but someone is bound to find him...I hope it's the Bills. Flame away...
SRivRoc Posted March 29, 2012 Posted March 29, 2012 I would love this draft but randle is flying up the boards I think he goes late first early second, also...egnew and Norman are great players but I think they will go in the third, maybe we get one(IMO hopefully Norman) but I don't know, buddy seems to know what he's doing and he has a plan so I'll probably be happy with any draft we put together
Dr. Fong Posted March 29, 2012 Posted March 29, 2012 I'm not a fan of Keuchley with the first pick, but I like this mock draft a lot. Heck I even like the alternate picks.
peterpan Posted March 29, 2012 Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) Well I've never done one so here it goes....First off I would try and resign D Bell on the cheap. I think he knows he won’t be going anywhere else. If he won’t sign, I bet later in the year or half way through camp we could sign a solid vet LT that gets cut from another team. This is a depth move as I think it will be Hairston’s job to lose. ROUND 1 – D Decastro, G Stanford - In the top ten I want to take the guy who has a legit shot at 10 straight pro bowls and the HOF. I don’t care what position it is, and that player is Decastro (if Kalil falls OK, but he won’t). Luckily for us we need to solidify the OL, and I do believe G is a need. Urbik and Rinehart are on one year RFA tenders, and Levitre’s deal is up next offseason -- our top 3 Gs are set to be free agents. Also, we only have two Ts on the roster (Hairston/Pears). Drafting a G allows Levitre to be the backup swing tackle, Urbik has also played T and could play on the right, and will be the primary backup at both G spots. DeCastro can play C if Wood struggles to come back from injury or is injured again. We now have great depth all along the OL, and could realistically sustain two major injuries along the OL without being hurt much, AND we get the BPA. Considering there is likely no value at other positions this is a no brainer, unless you dont believe G is an important position. ROUND 2 – M Sanu, WR Rutgers - I think Sanu is under rated in the draft, and I believe he is a player that will be more valuable to the Bills offense than other teams offenses. Chan relies on short quick passes, so WRs need to have good hands and be able to run after the catch for bigger gains. Sanu is a better runner than a lot of running backs in this draft, there is a highlight vid of him running the wild cat and you will get the idea, the dude can play. He also catches everything near him. He is faster than his 40 times too. With the strength of the WR class I could see Sanu falling out of the 1st and to our relatively early 2nd round pick. ROUND 3 - T Carder, LB TCU - This guy just makes plays, point blank, ArmChair GM had him going in the 6th, I dont know where he will go but I think he is great value here. He is a lot like Sheppard in a sense because he is always around the football, making up in smarts for what he may lack athletically. He has the size of an NFL LBer, and is very long, which I think will help him keep blockers off of him when he shifts outside for us, and he has the height to compete for balls with Gronk. Playing a lot of spread teams he has been forced to play a lot in space, although I don’t know how much he will be asked to do that at the next level. Looking at some online prospect rankings I was surprised to see him ranked behind so many others. I think he is a steal at this point, and judging by those rankings, he will be here. ROUND 4 – R Wilson, QB Wisconsin - This guy is a top 10 pick with a few inches of height. I think he is a far better player than Tannehill, but his height scares teams off. I personally don’t care as he played behind that Mammoth Wisconsin OL and shorter guys have had success in this league. I think he is the type of strong armed, smart, mobile QB Gailey would like and the perfect guy to develop as a backup. Just think of our running attack, with the All Pro Decastro leading the way, if teams had to worry about our QB booting right as Fred and Cj takeoff to the left? A mobile QB kills any type of backside pursuit, and the cut backs by Fred/Cj on those plays would rip defenses for 20 yarders routinely. This pick also allows us to ditch our current backup, and his salary. ROUND 4b-7 - Too hard to predict who will be there and position really doesn’t matter at all, maybe a CB for depth as we have always had good luck with alte round CBs, BPA otherwise. Edited March 29, 2012 by peterpan
bkep32 Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) my mock is in signature...i have us trading down, but i realistically dont see it happening..but a bill fan can hope right? Edited March 30, 2012 by bkep32
Peter Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Not a lot of people have mentioned Tommy Streeter, but I would like to see the Bills take him if he is available later in the draft. I love watching football - any kind including high school football. As many know, the high school football in South Florida is among the best in the country. A few years back, Northwestern High School had one of the better teams in the country. At the time, every one of the recruiting analysts was raving about one of their wide receivers by the name of Aldarius Johnson. I wanted to check him out (as well as some of the other players that UM was recruiting). I watched four of their games including the state championship game that Northwestern was in. In each game, the guy who impressed me the most was Tommy Streeter. The kid had size, speed, and very good hands. He also fit the description of what Buddy has characterized as someone who is open when he is not open. In any event, Streeter ended up going to Miami. He was a red shirt his freshman year and hardly played the next couple years until Al Golden and his staff came in and had a very good year this past year in Jedd Fisch's offense even though Jacory Harris was an average college QB at best. I am not saying that we should pick him in the first or second round given that he really only had one year when he played a lot albeit very well. Nevertheless, the kid seems to have all of the tools. He also ran a 4.4 at the combine. He is just under 6'5", 219 pounds, and benched 225 pounds 17 times. By comparison, Floyd (who a lot of people here like) is 6'3", 220 pounds, ran a 4.47, and benched 225 pounds 16 times. I am not saying that the Bills should take Streeter in the first round (as some people have them taking Floyd with the 10th pick) or second round. All I am saying that, if the Bills address other needs early and do not get someone like Blackmon or Floyd in the first round, there certainly is value (such as Streeter) later in the draft. Streeter had 46 receptions, a 17.6 average, and 8 TDs this past year. Depending on how Buddy and Chan evaluate him, he could be a good pick in the fourth round or thereabouts. He is raw and will have to improve the precision of his routes, but has upside especially given where he is likely to be taken in the draft. Just my two cents.
ARMchairgm Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 1. melvin ingram de/olb 2. alshon jeffery 3. bobbie massie ot 4. nate potter ot 4. ladarius green te 5. cliff harris cb/kr 5. Logan Harrell dt 6. Donte Paige-Moss de 7. chris rainy wr/rb 7 adrien cole lb
Peter Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 When I wrote "not a lot of people . . ." I was thinking of you as one of the few. see sig
Thoner7 Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I have seen Streeter sparingly and was always pretty impressed. He always seemed to be three or four steps past his man flying downfield. His Combine numbers suprised me too. I never really saw him compete for jump balls or go over the middle, because I didn't watch him much at all, he may have, idk. How complete is he? Could be a steal.
Billsrhody Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 see sig Starting to look like Tannehill wont make it past 8 at the latest..
deep2evans Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Starting to look like Tannehill wont make it past 8 at the latest.. hope so. just increases the odds someone good will drop to us.
Armchair GM Posted March 31, 2012 Author Posted March 31, 2012 see sig The only problem I have with yours is that the only way I see us trading would be down, not up. Also, the only way I see that happening is if Richardson falls to 10...not likely...and Cinci wants to jump up and grab him. They have the ammo to do so. Regardless of them signing "The Firm," Green Ellis, I can totally see them making a play for Richardson. Theat would instantly give them one hell of a 1-2 RB combo and make them a threat in their division. They started to put a few things together last year, and with a move like this, they would solidify themselves as a ligit contender. This is all for not, as I don't see a way that Richardson falls to 10...just sayn'.
Kaenon Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 alt. pick Stephen Hill, WR - Georgia Tech; May be a reach at 10, but I can't get over this kids physical tools (stop with the "lack of production" bs...he was in a Triple Option O and still averaged 29.2YPC) Did you ever stop to think why the YPC was so high? When an offense like GT is 70% run game and 30% passing, when you do throw the ball the other team is surprised, allowing Hill to earn extra YPC. I'm not knocking any of his "potential" or ability, but the facts are facts. He only caught 49 passes in his ENTIRE college career! How do you evaluate a guy like that and then say that you would take him #10 overall? Name one other wide receiver taken in the top 10 who had less than 50 career college catches.
Kaenon Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 My mock draft is as follows: 1.) LB Melvin Ingram 2.) TE Coby Fleener 3.) OT Mitchell Schwartz/Bobby Massie 4a.) CB Leonard Johnson 4b.) WR Jeff Fuller 5a.) QB Ryan Lindley 5b.) WR Tommy Streeter 6.) DT Akiem Hicks 7a.) WR Marquis Maze 7b.) LB Miles Burris
Kelly the Dog Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 How do you evaluate a guy like that and then say that you would take him #10 overall? Name one other wide receiver taken in the top 10 who had less than 50 career college catches. Ummmmm.. you watch every play he runs and you look to see his route running, his breaks, his speed, his separation, his ability to get open, his hands, his leaping ability, his ability to track the ball in the air, his fight for the ball, his understanding of defenses, the strength of his hands, his ability to find the seams, his willingness to go over the middle, his footwork, his ability on the sidelines, his knack for making a big play, his blocking, then talk to his coaches and the coaches that played against him, talk to him about his understanding of the game and defenses, his locker room presence, his knowledge of football and his want to be the best player, his work ethic, work him out with running routes and going for the ball when you bring him to Buffalo, check out the combine numbers and wonderlic, figure out the need for your team of a big strong WR who can get down the field and make a play once in awhile and a complement to the other 5-6 weapons (which is exactly what he is), figure out all the different views from various scouts looking at the same stuff and then compare that grade versus other players at his position who have had 200 more passes thrown to them against players at other positions. Then you may have a pretty good guess. People seem to like Marcus Easley here, myself included, and no one seems to worry about his college production, just his health. He caught 53 balls in his college career.
Kaenon Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Ummmmm.. you watch every play he runs and you look to see his route running, his breaks, his speed, his separation, his ability to get open, his hands, his leaping ability, his ability to track the ball in the air, his fight for the ball, his understanding of defenses, the strength of his hands, his ability to find the seams, his willingness to go over the middle, his footwork, his ability on the sidelines, his knack for making a big play, his blocking, then talk to his coaches and the coaches that played against him, talk to him about his understanding of the game and defenses, his locker room presence, his knowledge of football and his want to be the best player, his work ethic, work him out with running routes and going for the ball when you bring him to Buffalo, check out the combine numbers and wonderlic, figure out the need for your team of a big strong WR who can get down the field and make a play once in awhile and a complement to the other 5-6 weapons (which is exactly what he is), figure out all the different views from various scouts looking at the same stuff and then compare that grade versus other players at his position who have had 200 more passes thrown to them against players at other positions. Then you may have a pretty good guess. People seem to like Marcus Easley here, myself included, and no one seems to worry about his college production, just his health. He caught 53 balls in his college career. We're still talking about the number 10 overall selection though. I actually like Stephen Hill, its just its crazy to think someone can catch under 50 passes in his career and be a thought for a top 10 draft spot.
BillsInMaine Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 1.) David DeCastro, OG - Stanford 2.) Rueben Randle, WR - LSU/Stephen Hill, WR - GT/Alshon Jeffery, WR - South Carolina 3.) Jamell Fleming, CB - Oklahoma 4a.) Michael Egnew, TE - Mizzu 4b.) DeQuan Menzie, CB - Alabama 5a.) Nate Potter, OT - Boise St. (Needs some NFL weight training, Reminds some people of Nate Soldier) 5b.) Nick Foles, QB - Arizona 6.) Tank Carder, OLB - TCU 7a.) Vontaze Burfict, ILB - Arizona St.(Hes a nut case, will fall to the 7th, Bills take a chance) 7b.) Blair Walsh, K - Georgia (We need a good kicker to take over for Lindell. Here he is.)
Florida Gator 14 Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Round One: Luke Keuchly LB Boston College (ALT: Johnathan Martin OT Stanford, Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina) Round Two: Brock Osweiler QB ASU (No ALT, don't think we pass this kid up. Great upside, and time to learn behind Fitz for a few seasons) Round Three: Brandon Boykin CB UGA Round Four(A): Orson Charles TE UGA Round Four(B): Ty Hilton WR FIU 5-7, anything can happen.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 We're still talking about the number 10 overall selection though. I actually like Stephen Hill, its just its crazy to think someone can catch under 50 passes in his career and be a thought for a top 10 draft spot. You may be right. IMO, it's just highly unlikely, not "crazy". I think Nix and the scouts and Gailey can get a very good read on Hill's NFL potential from all of the aforementioned things. I just don't think they are going to determine he is worth the #10 based on what they can determine though, not what they can't. Like, for instance, a knock on him is that while he makes great catches, he doesn't always catch with his hands. That's a serious issue and could and should keep him out of the top 10 if true. Some people say he drops too many (which MAY be an issue, IMO a lot of great WR drop a lot of balls). I am not predicting the Bills will take Hill, or any team is going to take him in the top 20, although I think he goes in the first round. But I do think, as you do not, that a good scout can get a very good read on his NFL potential despite his low number of balls caught.
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