Mark80 Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 If we draft Floyd and he ends up being a #1 and Stevie a #2 I would be one happy camper. That would mean we'd have two pretty darn good recievers.
BBeck/cuba Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 I do like Floyd but I'm solidly in the LT camp now. MY question is Martin or Reiff? WR can be filled easily in the later rounds. with the talent we have mostly being mid tier we do need a solid #2 so I wont be upset if the Bills grab one early just not the way id go.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 And how is Michael Floyd a "headcase"? Just feel like throwing that out there for the fun of it? Yep, he got a DUI. And yes he was cited for underage drinking at two college parties prior to that. Regular axe murderer, huh? I've read everything from Floyd just being a college kid to him being an alcoholic. What's the real story? PTR
KD in CA Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) I've read everything from Floyd just being a college kid to him being an alcoholic. What's the real story? PTR The real story is he was as much of an 'alcoholic' as ever other college kid, but as a high profile athlete everyone took notice when he got an underage drinking summons and later a DUI. After the DUI they suspended him from the team (basically spring practice), and I'm guessing Brian Kelly advised him to get his sh-- together before he blew his NFL career. Floyd responded by moving back onto campus and distancing himself from some of his buddies and focusing on his senior season, in which he was a model citizen and outstanding player. IMO there is no more personal risk with Floyd than with anyone else. Edited March 24, 2012 by KD in CT
808 Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 there has been a lot of floyd man crushing going on around here. im not against him but this is my take on it if you care. nix/gailey have said they need the right high quality character guys and i think the are very wary about letting those bad apples in to it. nix/gailey have also stated they want a wr who can stretch the field and be open when hes not open(double teams and jump balls) nix has also stated how deep this draft is at WR/DE so floyd has some alcohol issues that he cleaned up for his last season and he is a college kid who doesnt drink? how many of those kids are being drafted in the first round at the most primadona head case position? i dont doubt that floyd has skills. IMO nix/gailey have him bumped down the draft board a little because of the off field stuff.
HornellBillsFan Posted March 24, 2012 Author Posted March 24, 2012 I've read everything from Floyd just being a college kid to him being an alcoholic. What's the real story? PTR For some reason many people see he had three alcohol related incidents and twist it into him having THREE DUI'S. I see this all the time. Not sure if people simply falsely assume that any alcohol related offense means it must have been a DUI or if it is yet another Notre Dame hater trying to use it as some more "Bash ND" material.
judman Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 Let's see if he can "own" Revis like Stevie does. Then we can talk the #1/#2 stuff.
OldTimer1960 Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 For some reason many people see he had three alcohol related incidents and twist it into him having THREE DUI'S. I see this all the time. Not sure if people simply falsely assume that any alcohol related offense means it must have been a DUI or if it is yet another Notre Dame hater trying to use it as some more "Bash ND" material. I haven't seen any post say that he's had 3 DUIs. I have seen several say 3 alcohol-related incidents, including a DUI. I just don't see Floyd as that ultra-talented - way-better-than-other-prospects guy that warrants taking any risk related to his off-field problems. Many here obviously disagree. I just worry that if he had those problems in college, might it escalate when he gets a boat-load of money in the NFL.
NoSaint Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 The real story is he was as much of an 'alcoholic' as ever other college kid, but as a high profile athlete everyone took notice when he got an underage drinking summons and later a DUI. After the DUI they suspended him from the team (basically spring practice), and I'm guessing Brian Kelly advised him to get his sh-- together before he blew his NFL career. Floyd responded by moving back onto campus and distancing himself from some of his buddies and focusing on his senior season, in which he was a model citizen and outstanding player. IMO there is no more personal risk with Floyd than with anyone else. Truly, we just don't know on just about any of these guys, and to act like its that clear cut is silly in my opinion. Unless guys totally spiral out of control AND get caught along the way - how they deal with and how big there demons are is a mystery to us. Not getting arrested, and having a good PR firm doesn't mean he was squeaky clean. I hope for his sake, even if he is in Miami, that he has gotten his act together. What I will say is that either he is about the unluckiest college kid around, or he did have more of a personal issue with alcohol than average to get popped on alcohol related charges repeatedly. Maybe ND is a different culture but I can't think of many of my peers graduating with multiple run ins with the police, and star athletes were left to skate on incidents most of the time (ie, to have multiple documented run ins often means many more undocumented). The incidents are significant red flags but certainly don't preclude him from huge success moving forward. I haven't seen any post say that he's had 3 DUIs. I have seen several say 3 alcohol-related incidents, including a DUI. I just don't see Floyd as that ultra-talented - way-better-than-other-prospects guy that warrants taking any risk related to his off-field problems. Many here obviously disagree. I just worry that if he had those problems in college, might it escalate when he gets a boat-load of money in the NFL. To be hit 3 times, likely means there was a lot more than 3 questionable nights in his past. The repetition is also a huge red flag to look at what the root cause was and if it has been seriously addressed. An answer we will never truly have on this board. His image has too much money riding on it to get a straight answer unless one of us knows him very closely.
EldaBillsFan Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 A guy like floyd compliments stevie style and visa versa..... we as fans get caught up in the 1 and 2 wr stuff as players its all about getting open
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 24, 2012 Posted March 24, 2012 If the Bills end up taking Michael Floyd it won't be all that long before we are talking about Stevie being a nice #2 to compliment Floyd. Floyd is more talented by a pretty good margiin and an all around physical beast at the WR spot. If the Bills take him everyone will be very pleased after watching him play a few games in a Bills uniform. And the cold won't be a problem either, kid grew up in freakin' Minnesota. "That's nice, Sonny, but This here's the Fleet" Some players transition easily to the NFL, and some take a while. Stevie is #1 around here until someone else on the team gets open more often against NFL DBs and comes down with the ball more often at the end of the play.
rafter Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 To be hit 3 times, likely means there was a lot more than 3 questionable nights in his past. The repetition is also a huge red flag to look at what the root cause was and if it has been seriously addressed. An answer we will never truly have on this board. His image has too much money riding on it to get a straight answer unless one of us knows him very closely. I agree that if you were noticed 3x there was obviously many more that we don't know about. I don't think its that uncommon for guys between 18-22 to mix it up a bit, especially in a college atmosphere. I hope most would refrain from putting a label on anyone without knowing all the facts. As with anyone time will tell how he matures, and it goes to show that evaluating character is just as important and hard as talent.
KD in CA Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Truly, we just don't know on just about any of these guys, and to act like its that clear cut is silly in my opinion. Which is why I wrote "there's no more personal risk with Floyd than with anyone else". The question was 'is this guy a problem child' and the answer I gave is basically, 'there's no credible reason to believe so'. The fact that he got busted for having a beer in his hand when he was 19 or got pulled over one block from campus after drinking makes him just like 90% of college students -- only less lucky. And South Bend doesn't automatically hand out freebies to athletes like they do in Miami or elsewhere. If you consider a college student drinking alcohol to equal "a questionable night" than you must have a very small list of players to choose from on draft day.
NoSaint Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Which is why I wrote "there's no more personal risk with Floyd than with anyone else". The question was 'is this guy a problem child' and the answer I gave is basically, 'there's no credible reason to believe so'. The fact that he got busted for having a beer in his hand when he was 19 or got pulled over one block from campus after drinking makes him just like 90% of college students -- only less lucky. And South Bend doesn't automatically hand out freebies to athletes like they do in Miami or elsewhere. If you consider a college student drinking alcohol to equal "a questionable night" than you must have a very small list of players to choose from on draft day. Well, drinking and driving is a bad choice. Thats more than just having a drink. And having 3 run ins with the police, is more than luck - its being hard headed at risk of losing millions. Any guy may have issues we don't know about, but with Floyd- unless he was the least lucky college kid out there- we know has some troubles. He may get by it, but a few months without an arrest isnt proof he has. I like him too - but I think it's silly to totally dismiss it
UpperDeck Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 The fact that we went hard after Meachem makes me think we might take Floyd if he's there at 10. I don't know enough about him to say if we should or not. I actually would prefer a LT with the first pick. I think we're thinner at that position than WR. But at 10 you have to get a starter so to me that's more important than which position you take. I'm just hoping that Easley can stay healthy so we can see what he can do. He looked like he had potential coming out of college but he really hasn't had a chance to prove anything in the NFL.
benderbender Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 If the Bills end up taking Michael Floyd it won't be all that long before we are talking about Stevie being a nice #2 to compliment Floyd. Floyd is more talented by a pretty good margiin and an all around physical beast at the WR spot. If the Bills take him everyone will be very pleased after watching him play a few games in a Bills uniform. And the cold won't be a problem either, kid grew up in freakin' Minnesota. I'm torn between taking a WR and T in the first round. We need talent around Stevie Johnson. And not the scrubs we just resigned for what I suppose are special teams purposes. However I can understand the reasoning to take a T to give Fitzpatrick more than 2 seconds to throw. Those quick slants over the middle were easy for teams to jump.
jumbalaya Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) Michael Floyd will be an outstanding pick.. All this BS from those that say he has never caught a ball in the NFL and thus is not qualified is just gibberish from a bunch of idiots. Pure gibberish. Grab Floyd in rd 1, a CB in rd 2 and wait for an LT to get cut or resign Bell. Edited March 25, 2012 by jumbalaya
ndirish1978 Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Floyd makes the team better. I don't care what you call him. Truly, we just don't know on just about any of these guys, and to act like its that clear cut is silly in my opinion. Unless guys totally spiral out of control AND get caught along the way - how they deal with and how big there demons are is a mystery to us. Not getting arrested, and having a good PR firm doesn't mean he was squeaky clean. I hope for his sake, even if he is in Miami, that he has gotten his act together. What I will say is that either he is about the unluckiest college kid around, or he did have more of a personal issue with alcohol than average to get popped on alcohol related charges repeatedly. Maybe ND is a different culture but I can't think of many of my peers graduating with multiple run ins with the police, and star athletes were left to skate on incidents most of the time (ie, to have multiple documented run ins often means many more undocumented). The incidents are significant red flags but certainly don't preclude him from huge success moving forward. To be hit 3 times, likely means there was a lot more than 3 questionable nights in his past. The repetition is also a huge red flag to look at what the root cause was and if it has been seriously addressed. An answer we will never truly have on this board. His image has too much money riding on it to get a straight answer unless one of us knows him very closely. 2 of the instances occurred when he was at home, not Notre Dame. But ND is notorious for heavy drinking. It's in the middle of nowhere and the club scene is not great, so there are a TON of house parties. I should know, I threw enough of them.
BuffaloRebound Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Not sure why no one is talking about Kendall Wright when it comes to WR. We need more play-makers on offense and he might be the most explosive WR in this draft. He should be in the conversation with Floyd.
1B4IDie Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) Well, drinking and driving is a bad choice. Thats more than just having a drink. And having 3 run ins with the police, is more than luck - its being hard headed at risk of losing millions. Any guy may have issues we don't know about, but with Floyd- unless he was the least lucky college kid out there- we know has some troubles. He may get by it, but a few months without an arrest isnt proof he has. I like him too - but I think it's silly to totally dismiss it I agree but the ND campus is different from Ohio St. or Alabama. You don't get a pass just because you're on a football scholarship. There are only 12,000 students. Maybe a security guard had it out for him..its a small.campus mostly everyone knows mostly who/what everyone is doing. Floyd makes the team better. I don't care what you call him. 2 of the instances occurred when he was at home, not Notre Dame. But ND is notorious for heavy drinking. It's in the middle of nowhere and the club scene is not great, so there are a TON of house parties. I should know, I threw enough of them. Just ask this guy. Edited March 25, 2012 by Why So Serious?
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