Zulu Cthulhu Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 I'm with you CS, i'd prefer just talking about Tebow the football player. Unfortunately whenever that debate commences, it's not long before his followers fall back on things like his "character" and "values" and "intangibles" - all things that don't matter a lick when he can't read a defense or hit the broad side of a barn with a football. So you should probably take this up with those folks first if you're upset with people "slandering" Christians - which the vast majority of commenters in this thread didn't even come close to doing.
Hplarrm Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 As a Bills fan and as a committed follower of Jesus Christ - I've been a Youth Pastor for 14 years, and College Professor for the last 11 years, and I'm a lifelong Buffalo BIlls fan--I feel this thread has spun hopelessly out of bounds of what this DB is about. Unfortunately, this thread has gone on and has lasted into, now 20 pages worth of, what is now nothing but unnecessary verbal venom. Regardless of one thoughts about Time Tebow, is this really what this Discussion Board is to be about? Do we really have to go this low and seek to disparage an entire group of people, religious or not, on the back of not liking one person? I say this not because I'm a TT fan. But because the tone and direction of this thread has crossed a line that we don't need to cross in this format. And I would say that for any people group that was being slandered in the way Christians have been in this thread: except for the Jets of course--fire away on them . Granted, we Christains bring much of this on ourselves and I understand why people can look at Christians and think we're silly, obnoxious, arrogant, judgmental, even hateful, etc.-- and I make no excuses for such behavior or attitudes. This presentation of our faith is wrong, no matter where, or to whom, it happens. And, if you have personally been hurt or affected by such behavior, I apologize and ask for your forgiveness on behalf of my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I can't undo or reverse anything they (I) have done, but I can try to represent our faith in a way that is honoring to it, and to you as a fellow human being. Nonetheless, that being said. I don't think it necessary, nor is this the best format, to have such a conversation. You, and I, have every right to express our opinions of Tim Tebow as a football player, and even on his public actions (that's the price of being a well paid entertainer in our society). [And by the way, I have great respect for Tim Tebow as a person, he has deep convictions, and he is brave in consistently living by those convictions in public--something all of us should strive for--but I also think he is a lousy NFL QB.] But is it helpful or constructive to allow this (and I know this is a strong word, but I think accurate), "hate" to be allowed to continue here. My point is: moderators, maybe it's time to shut this thread down. And in the future, whether it be about TT, Christians, or any person or group of people, I think we should be much more vigilant in not allowing this type of thing to be a part of what is otherwise a fun and entertaining forum to be a part of. My two cents. To those that lead this, thank you for your work with it. It's part of my daily routine to check this wall. I'm personally grateful for your leadership of this place, and for allowing us to exercise our fandom and love for the Bills with fellow Bills fans. It really is add to enjoyment of being a fan. So again, "Thank You!" Also, is there a way I can print or PDF this entire thread so I can use it in my ethics is Sports Ministry class? It would be a great discussion tools in that context, to help them, as future leaders, to have a complete perspective of what people think. GO BILLS! My sense was that the mods are doing WJWDo on this. Turn the other cheek. Adhering to the terms of service on all things except religious discussion would be the Christian thing to do. The reasponse to all accusations of questioning his religion based power should be thats what you say.
CSBill Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 talking disparagingly about Tim Tebow != talking bad about all Christians or Christianity Well, that's my point, maybe I overstated it or it got lost in the rambling: I don't like Tebow as aQB, he's awful. So focus on that, many have crossed a line and taken it as open season on all. That's is not necessary, whether it be Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Italians, Western NY'ers, etc.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 6, 2011 Author Posted November 6, 2011 Tebow 2 TDs leading the comeback!
papazoid Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Tim Tebow doesn't lie...whatever he says becomes the truth.
/dev/null Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) Well, that's my point, maybe I overstated it or it got lost in the rambling: I don't like Tebow as aQB, he's awful. So focus on that, many have crossed a line and taken it as open season on all. That's is not necessary, whether it be Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Italians, Western NY'ers, etc. I love how the Broncos kicked a FG before half time, accept a roughing the kicker penalty for 15 yards, then come away with no points Edited November 6, 2011 by /dev/null
Geno Smith's Arm Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Tebow rules! I hope he starts against the Bills!
Geno Smith's Arm Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Were are the haters now Right here! I am ecstatic that Tebow has won. I really hope he does just well enough to keep Denver mired in mediocrity! Carry on Timothy!
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 Right here! I am ecstatic that Tebow has won. I really hope he does just well enough to keep Denver mired in mediocrity! Carry on Timothy! kind of like us right now
BiggieScooby Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Tebow is hurting Broncos chances of getting Luck.
SouthGeorgiaBillsFan Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Holy ****. Tebow looked like...Tim Tebow today. Tebow rules! I hope he starts against the Bills! Because Tebow and company posting 300 rushing yards on us is a good thing...?
thebug Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Holy ****. Tebow looked like...Tim Tebow today. Because Tebow and company posting 300 rushing yards on us is a good thing...? No, because those 6-7 passes he throws about 10 yards away from his receiver will be picks.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 No, because those 6-7 passes he throws about 10 yards away from his receiver will be picks. Just like Fitzy
Geno Smith's Arm Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Just like Fitzy Do you prefer Tebow to Fitz?
SouthGeorgiaBillsFan Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) I'm with you CS, i'd prefer just talking about Tebow the football player. Unfortunately whenever that debate commences, it's not long before his followers fall back on things like his "character" and "values" and "intangibles" - all things that don't matter a lick when he can't read a defense or hit the broad side of a barn with a football. So you should probably take this up with those folks first if you're upset with people "slandering" Christians - which the vast majority of commenters in this thread didn't even come close to doing. Tebow can't read a defense? So you think it's just an accident when he rushes for 100 yards, or throws 2 TDs and 0 INTs in a game then? Because all 2nd year players can dissect coverage in the blink of an eye like Peyton Manning, right? And I'm pretty sure that debating that Tebow will in fact be an effective and successful QB doesn't make any of us his followers - I have no vested interest in him whatsoever. And like the vast majority of Tebow sympathizers on this board, I'm simply arguing that his football skill set will be effective in the NFL. You are the one who continues to post derogatory generalizations regarding anyone who supports Tebow - so spare us your sanctimonious drivel. Edited November 7, 2011 by SouthGeorgiaBillsFan
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 Do you prefer Tebow to Fitz? Not at this point in their careers but as much as I want Fitz to succeed his arm strength and accuracy has cost us big time this year. That is why as much as we need a CB, OLB and a real NT we should draft QB Ryan Tannehill out of Texas A&M who has as much brains as Fitz and way more talent and with 3 years of Grooming behind Fitz we would have a QB that can win Superbowls.
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