Dante Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 I just saw this story for the first time today. You'd think two black teens setting a white teen on fire because he's white would get some play. Maybe someone will ask the president what he thinks of this story. geeze. How awful is that. Pretty bad
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 The thing that gets me is why the Grand Jury wasn't called right away? I agree, let the GJ do its job.
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Where is self-defense here?... Seems like Trayvon was acting in self-defense... Zimmerman was ordered not to pursue Martin. By pursuing, Zimmerman invoked an attack... Should Trayvon "stand his ground"... Why should he have to retreat... Zimmerman was the original attacker for following him. This is a charging foul by Zimmerman. Martin stood his ground. Would you stand there and wait to get shot? Sure Martin did get shot in the end... But if you say what is true... He at least went down with a fight! I'll forward your eye witness account to the Grand Jury. Expect to get your subpoena soon.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 I'll forward your eye witness account to the Grand Jury. Expect to get your subpoena soon. He he... Will do. Try the veal!
erynthered Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way saying he isn't guilty. I just think Judge Al Sharpton shouldn't be trying him. What happens if the Grand Jury fails to hold him over for trial? No, I know that. The forensic evidence, will be key. Trajectory of the bullet..etc. I believe I read that at one point in the tape Zimmerman says that treyvon was now coming toward him and had his hand in his waiste. I think the Grand Jury will indicte.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 The damning part IF TRUE is that Zimmerman was told to back down before even confronting Martin. IF TRUE, this immediately makes Zimmerman the attacker. 2 minutes roughing=Martin 2 minutes rough=Zimmerman 10 minute game misconduct=Zimmerman I know that is a lame and sill analogy. Some crazy guy follows you... Are you gonna lay down and get shot or go down with at least a fight? Why does Martin have to be passive here? Zimmerman wasn't a cop. Martin didn't have to get passive. Sure, common sense would tell you to do anything to survive... Including be passive. Fight or flight. Zimmerman FROM WHAT IT APPEARS was on the attack. No, I know that. The forensic evidence, will be key. Trajectory of the bullet..etc. I believe I read that at one point in the tape Zimmerman says that treyvon was now coming toward him and had his hand in his waiste. I think the Grand Jury will indicte. Doesn't matter if 911 told Zimmerman to disengage... Then you disengage. Why did he engage Martin?
....lybob Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 The standard is being applied wrong because Martin is dead. Zimmerman was the attacker... He followed him... He is the aggressor... Simple. Martin acted in self-defense. Again... The bad thing... Martin lost, he is dead... His voice in the investigation has been lost and that voice default to Zimmerman wrongly. The bad thing is even though the writer of the law didn't intend it, the law is so badly written that Zimmerman may not be able to be charged- on the other hand turn about is fair play, If I was Zimmerman I wouldn't venture into public spaces alone at least in Florida.
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 No, I know that. The forensic evidence, will be key. Trajectory of the bullet..etc. I believe I read that at one point in the tape Zimmerman says that treyvon was now coming toward him and had his hand in his waiste. I think the Grand Jury will indicte. You would think so, but there must have been some reason he wasn't already arrested. FWIW, I also heard that Trayvon didn't live in this gated community. Not that it is crucial to this but I just remember Tawana Brawley and the Duke lacrosse deal.
erynthered Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Doesn't matter if 911 told Zimmerman to disengage... Then you disengage. Why did he engage Martin? Read my earlier post, Knucklehead. I was just ponting out additional information.
yall Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Yes they did bring in Zimmerman for an interview. I'm hearing that witnesses claim they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman while they were both on the ground with Trayvon punching him in the face. Zimmerman had lacerations to his face and the back of his head plus grass stains on his back. So, why don't we sit back and let the Grand Jury do its job? Any source for that witness report?
erynthered Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 You would think so, but there must have been some reason he wasn't already arrested. FWIW, I also heard that Trayvon didn't live in this gated community. Not that it is crucial to this but I just remember Tawana Brawley and the Duke lacrosse deal. Read this article on this. Its pretty good. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/22/trayvon-martin-case-not-as-conclusive-as-people-think-says-legal-expert/ Let me know what you think.
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Any source for that witness report? Fox News had some guy that they were interviewing about the case. I didn't catch the name.
Rob's House Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Where is self-defense here?... Seems like Trayvon was acting in self-defense... Zimmerman was ordered not to pursue Martin. By pursuing, Zimmerman invoked an attack... Should Trayvon "stand his ground"... Why should he have to retreat... Zimmerman was the original attacker for following him. This is a charging foul by Zimmerman. Martin stood his ground. Would you stand there and wait to get shot? Sure Martin did get shot in the end... But if you say what is true... He at least went down with a fight! You're making a lot of assumptions here. First, pursuing someone you think is up to something doesn't necessarily make one an aggressor. Zimmerman had every right to follow him if he thought he was up to something and he is under no obligation to follow the advice of a 911 dispatcher. The fact that he called 911 is, although not dispositive, evidence of good faith. Following him also doesn't make him the attacker. If he's following him, Trayvon decides he doesn't like being followed, and attacks him then Trayvon is the attacker. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it could have. We don't know. By saying he went down with a fight you're contradicting your own theory. Just because someone is following you to see what you're up to, even if they confront you, does not require you to retreat, nor does it allow you to attack. If when confronted Trayvon attacked him the only pertinent question at that point is whether a reasonable person in Zimmerman's position would have feared for his safety. Unless you can establish who started the physical altercation, NOT the confrontation, you have no case. Period. Also, it's unlikely he would start a fist fight with a guy holding a gun on him. Presumably the guy had the gun in his belt and pulled it after the fight ensued.
RkFast Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) This is just sad. I feel bad for you man. Sad? Feel bad for me? Dont feel bad for me, pal. I REJECT the latest dog and pony show faux outrage clown car circus of agenda driven societal stupidity and Im feeling pretty good about it. Pretty damned good. So you go and waste anger and angst and energy participating in the bull **** that this case is. I'll be out enjoying my weekend. Edited March 23, 2012 by RkFast
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Read this article on this. Its pretty good. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/22/trayvon-martin-case-not-as-conclusive-as-people-think-says-legal-expert/ Let me know what you think. I'm back where I was. It needs to go to the Grand Jury to have any hope of being figured out fairly. Edited March 23, 2012 by 3rdnlng
fjl2nd Posted March 23, 2012 Author Posted March 23, 2012 Sad? Feel bad for me? Dont feel bad for me, pal. I REJECT the latest dog and pony show faux outrage clown car circus of agenda driven societal stupidity and Im feeling pretty good about it. Pretty damned good. So you go and waste anger and angst and energy participating in the bull **** that this case is. I'll be out enjoying my weekend. Wanting justice for the murder of a 17 year old kid is agenda driven and just stupid. You're really upset bro!
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Also, it's unlikely he would start a fist fight with a guy holding a gun on him. Presumably the guy had the gun in his belt and pulled it after the fight ensued. So if someone... NOT a cop pulls a weapon... You are going to lay down and be passive and do what they say? Hell yeah, I am going to pick a fight right then and there! Sure you might end up dead... But right then and there is your best chance... You start doing what the NON-cop says... You will almost certainly become a victim. Fight or flight... Martin choose to fight. What is wrong with that? Besides ending up dead... Which crime experts warn people that if you start doing what the guy with the weapon tells you... That is a given death sentence most of the time. Some guy stalks you... What are you gonna do. Stand your ground or run? What if he is John Wayne Gacy. Gonna deal with the dude? Now if Trayvon runs... Doesn't he look guilty?
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Wanting justice for the murder of a 17 year old kid is agenda driven and just stupid. You're really upset bro! Another eye witness, eh?
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Read my earlier post, Knucklehead. I was just ponting out additional information. Ooops sorry!
Alaska Darin Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Wanting justice for the murder of a 17 year old kid is agenda driven and just stupid. I didn't realize anyone had been convicted of a crime by a court of law. I guess I just learned something.
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