birdog1960 Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 I'm sure the young boy with Skittles and iced tea would be thrilled to find out that his senseless murder is no longer about him, but about advancing a story of racism based on the possibility that somehow a Jackie Robinson story is relevant to his death. Jesus. racism is as relevant when it's metered out by david duke or louis farakhan. hate crimes happen. whether this was a hate crime or not is yet to be seen or even investigated but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. given the circumstances, i think the victim would agree if he were witness to a similar incident.
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Spock you ignorant fool... It is okay to have some emotion! WOW! Sweet mother of God... Where the heck did you come up with this schit? Tom giving you reading comp lessons again? I'm telling your simpleton mind that you might just want to step back and let all the facts come out. Tom, my protege, has nothing to do with this.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) <br />I'm telling your simpleton mind that you might just want to step back and let all the facts come out. Tom, my protege, has nothing to do with this.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I was mostly referring to how you think I was saying Sanford was a racist town. SURE let the grand jury rule... Shouldn't they have already? If this stuff didn't hit the fan... Would a grand jury have even been called? Edited March 23, 2012 by ExiledInIllinois
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/22/opinion/granderson-florida-shootings/
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/22/opinion/granderson-florida-shootings/ Do you really want to go there? Stop and think.
Bigfatbillsfan Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Do you really want to go there? Stop and think. Yeah, the fact that the city has a history of racism is not relative to the case at all. Ignore it.
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Yeah, the fact that the city has a history of racism is not relative to the case at all. Ignore it. Fatty, you just don't get it. The article stated that the only perceived racism in the last 100 years was a boss that didn't touch a black guy and that they wouldn't let Jackie Robinson play ball there. Acceptable today, no. Do you think that was any different than any other southern city then? So, what happened 50-100 years ago is what caused this Spanish guy to shoot a black teenager? Who says to ignore it? Let the facts come out, and quit being a Bigfatstupidbillsfan.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 <br />Fatty, you just don't get it. The article stated that the only perceived racism in the last 100 years was a boss that didn't touch a black guy and that they wouldn't let Jackie Robinson play ball there. Acceptable today, no. Do you think that was any different than any other southern city then? So, what happened 50-100 years ago is what caused this Spanish guy to shoot a black teenager? Who says to ignore it? Let the facts come out, and quit being a Bigfatstupidbillsfan.<br /> You are way off base in your analysis. Do not take this story so personal. The facts should have been out by now. Unfortunately one critical fact: testing Zimmerman for being under the influence will never be. The facts are forever tainted.
Rob's House Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Yeah, the fact that the city has a history of racism is not relative to the case at all. Ignore it. After the schooling you got earlier I thought you'd wise up, but apparently I was wrong. The article he was referring to in the post you're responding to didn't mention dick **** about the history of racism in the city. It's possibly the most poorly written piece I've ever seen published by a major media outlet, and that's quite a statement. It's a bunch of emotionally charged conjecture with the conclusion that there is an epidimic of racist white cops victimizing blacks which is supported by listing four such instances that occurred over a 21 year span across a nation of 300+ million people. I assume you thought he was referring to the article Birddog posted. It had a little more pertinent evidence. Apparently 65 years ago a clerk in a store didn't want to touch black people and Jackie Robinson was "run out of town", whatever that means. I'm not sure what to derive from that, but I'm sure in your mental construct of the world this is a prima facie case that the racist police force is engaged in a conspiracy to enable Hispanics to kill black kids with impunity.
Alaska Darin Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Yeah, the fact that the city has a history of racism is not relative to the case at all. Ignore it. Just when we think we've seen the absolute bottom of your stupidity well, you start digging again.
ieatcrayonz Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Yeah, the fact that the city has a history of racism is not relative to the case at all. Ignore it. I'm confused. You usually like mocking dead people like my Uncle Geno but in this thread you aren't. It is a step in the right direction. Would you like to apologize about Geno?
Juror#8 Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 The fact is, there are still some outstanding issues that need to be brought to light. I tend to think that, at least presumptively, Zimmerman is culpable for an illegal act because: -He appears to have ignored the admonitions of police during the 911 phone call -He had a weapon and appeared to have adjudicated the matter in his mind (based on his comments to 911 dispatcher) -He couldn't point to anything that Martin was doing wrong during the call. Martin wasn't encroaching on someone else's property, nor was he randomly looking into vehicles. In fact, there was nothing said that indicated that he was doing anything that would even justify a simple Terry stop. So based on these CIRCUMSTANTIAL things, and without the benefit of any additional info, Zimmerman is gonna be on the hook for some kind of criminal offense. On the civil side, and with respect to the Equal Protection Clause, it is somewhat difficult to bring against a municipality. Also, there needs to be some kind of pattern and practice or an articulated policy to show disparate treatment or metrics to demonstrate disparate impact. And....(check my facts on this cause I'm not sure), I think that the only remedy in an EP action is injunctive relief. That is fantastic so that other folks don't have to go through the same problems, but it wouldn't provide much in the way of financial compensation for the family. EPCs are not impossible, just difficult. The better play is to use 1983 civil action to enforce a due process claim against Zimmerman. They don't have to rely on issues of protected classifications and race. If they can demonstrate that Zimmerman was somehow acting under color of law (which is gonna be a doozy of a creative argument - but not impossible if the local and state police somehow recognized his community watch group as a "partner" in combatting crime or something to that effect), they can hang the "deprivation of life, liberty, property" clause around his neck, and by extension, the neck's of the munipical authorities, via 1983. 1983 is complicated legislation and doesn't confer any substantive legal claim. It just kind of makes other laws broader. If you know how to use it right, though, it has some punch. I also don't remember how 1983 operates in conjunction with common law tort and contract actions. So if his attorney's can find SOME precedent for using common law respondeat superior claims in 1983 actions, it could be a windfall for Martin's family because they can use Zimmerman to get into the municipality's pockets. Otherwise, their claims for damages are going to hit a wall after Zimmerman files Chapter 7 bankruptcy.
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 The first instance of injustice surrounding the Trayvon Martin tragedy occurred February 26, the night George Zimmerman decided to pursue, confront and ultimately shoot and kill Martin. George Zimmerman? Isn't he the guy in the Men's Wearhouse commercials?
Bigfatbillsfan Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 After the schooling you got earlier I thought you'd wise up, but apparently I was wrong. The article he was referring to in the post you're responding to didn't mention dick **** about the history of racism in the city. It's possibly the most poorly written piece I've ever seen published by a major media outlet, and that's quite a statement. It's a bunch of emotionally charged conjecture with the conclusion that there is an epidimic of racist white cops victimizing blacks which is supported by listing four such instances that occurred over a 21 year span across a nation of 300+ million people. I assume you thought he was referring to the article Birddog posted. It had a little more pertinent evidence. Apparently 65 years ago a clerk in a store didn't want to touch black people and Jackie Robinson was "run out of town", whatever that means. I'm not sure what to derive from that, but I'm sure in your mental construct of the world this is a prima facie case that the racist police force is engaged in a conspiracy to enable Hispanics to kill black kids with impunity. The schooling I got earlier? Are you talking about your giant rant of drivel? If that's the kind of schooling you recieved you may want to ask for you money back. Just when we think we've seen the absolute bottom of your stupidity well, you start digging again. You are a !@#$ing retard. 'nough said.
RkFast Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 !@#$ Al Sharpon. !@#$ the media who LOVES these stories and stokes the flames to sell papers. !@#$ Jesse Jackson. !@#$ Obama for sticking his nose in the situation AGAIN. !@#$ white guilt-ridden !@#$s who feel the need to pat black people on the head to show how "not racist" they are. !@#$ black people for getting all "outraged" over this while stepping over the bodies on their own sidewalks littered with bullet holes put in them by other black people, !@#$ Eric Holder that incompetent shitbag for getting involved in this, but ignoring worse criminal cases and !@#$ lybob and other liberal !@#$s just on general principal.
IDBillzFan Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 !@#$ Al Sharpon. !@#$ the media who LOVES these stories and stokes the flames to sell papers. !@#$ Jesse Jackson. !@#$ Obama for sticking his nose in the situation AGAIN. !@#$ white guilt-ridden !@#$s who feel the need to pat black people on the head to show how "not racist" they are. !@#$ black people for getting all "outraged" over this while stepping over the bodies on their own sidewalks littered with bullet holes put in them by other black people, !@#$ Eric Holder that incompetent shitbag for getting involved in this, but ignoring worse criminal cases and !@#$ lybob and other liberal !@#$s just on general principal. Did I just hear the President say that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon? Jesus, this guy has a really bad habit of putting a bunch of gunpowder out there while handing out complimentary matches. You just know someone is going to say something stupid in response to this, and it will be the headlines for the next three weeks while no one pays attention to the real problems this idiot is ignoring.
Rob's House Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 The schooling I got earlier? Are you talking about your giant rant of drivel? If that's the kind of schooling you recieved you may want to ask for you money back. Great, so now you're stealing my lines. That's okay, you can have them. And if it makes you feel better to refer to the evisceration of your feeble attempt at an argument "drivel" then far be it from me to deny you the comfort you get from that. What's genuinely humorous is watching you arrogantly parading around genuinely oblivious to how absurd your positions are. It's like watching dumb and dumber. The fact that you think placing the label of "racial killing" on this incident somehow opens the door to Eric Holder proceeding with an official investigation is great. What makes it great is that you come with it as though you've just laid down a trump card no one else saw coming, when unbeknownst to you all you did was remove all doubt. Would you be so kind as to indulge me and explain how "racial killing" is a game changer here? Did I just hear the President say that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon? Jesus, this guy has a really bad habit of putting a bunch of gunpowder out there while handing out complimentary matches. You just know someone is going to say something stupid in response to this, and it will be the headlines for the next three weeks while no one pays attention to the real problems this idiot is ignoring. Are you serious? I thought the Sandra Flake think was a shameless ploy but this takes the cake.
meazza Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Are you serious? I thought the Sandra Flake think was a shameless ploy but this takes the cake. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Obama said Trayvon Martin's death particularly resonated with him as an African-American parent. "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Obama said in brief remarks outside the White House.
GG Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 !@#$ Al Sharpon. !@#$ the media who LOVES these stories and stokes the flames to sell papers. !@#$ Jesse Jackson. !@#$ Obama for sticking his nose in the situation AGAIN. !@#$ white guilt-ridden !@#$s who feel the need to pat black people on the head to show how "not racist" they are. !@#$ black people for getting all "outraged" over this while stepping over the bodies on their own sidewalks littered with bullet holes put in them by other black people, !@#$ Eric Holder that incompetent shitbag for getting involved in this, but ignoring worse criminal cases and !@#$ lybob and other liberal !@#$s just on general principal. The saddest commentary about Sharpton is that his mother just passed away... yet he's still on his way to Florida.
IDBillzFan Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 The saddest commentary about Sharpton is that his mother just passed away... yet he's still on his way to Florida. Not to mention, he likely will have a harder time saying this is racial considering the guy who killed him is Hispanic. I suspect Sharpton heard "Zimmerman" and immediately assumed Trayvon was killed by a cracka. So to recap; it's bad for a white person to kill a black person, and it's bad for a Hispanic to kill a black, but blacks can kill themselves each and every day, and that's okay with Sharpton since he never pays it any mind. Got it.
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