....lybob Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 all activities not found suspicious by a reasonable person- walking in the rain, talking on a cell, carrying a bag from 7/11, looking around, looking at a person looking at you. examples of suspicious activities- carrying a tv down the street, standing on a garbage can to access a window, following a minor. verdict= Trayvon not engaged in suspicious activity. Clothes: what criminals may wear- Black hooded sweatshirt 2-3 sizes too big, black baggy pants, black sneakers/boots what Trayvon was wearing- dark grey hooded sweat shirt normal size, light color pants cuffed, white sneakers verdict = a reasonable person does not find that Trayvon looks suspicious by the clothes he wears. Time: break-ins happen when most people are at work 10am-3pm or when most people are asleep 12pm-5am Trayvon is out at 7pm virtually the worst time to commit a break-in. verdict = the hour that Trayvon is out can in noway be found suspicious by a reasonable person. Place: the community is not a specialized community- not restricted by age like a retirement community, by sex like a convent, by race, or by religion- Travyon is living there with his father verdict = no reasonable person could find that Trayvon was suspicious by just being there overall verdict= not suspicious by observed activity, not suspicious by dress, not suspicious by hour of the day, not suspicious by merely being there I think some here have a misconception of what racism is- some people think racism has to entail hatred but that is not true, racism is a form of prejudice, which is believing stereotypical qualities exist in a group whether reality based or imagined and acting on an assumption those qualities exist in an unknown member of that group. Thus Zimmerman doesn't have to have hatred towards blacks to be racist he merely has to have a belief of stereotypical qualities in a group (in this case something like black males age 15-55 have a high likelihood of engaging in criminal behavior ) and then act on a assumption that an unknown member of that group (Trayvon) shares that quality and is thus suspicious.
Niagara Bill Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 This entire thread is somewhat off balance. This whole case and result is a commentary on society ills, economic and educational in particular. Most of the B&W issue is based on these problems in 2013. This is the same reaction to "if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit". I recall the exact reaction when OJ beat the "man". If this verdict comes out in January there are no protests.
GG Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 A rare good article from Slate: http://www.slate.com...rreactions.html And as always, the comments are far more illuminating.
NoSaint Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 I can't believe the police are profiling the attackers as "black." Haven't we learned anything from George Zimmerman? It still amazes me - our local paper near refuses to give race on their stories about wanted criminals being urgently sought.
B-Man Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 The State Declines to Rest By Mark Steyn America — or, at any rate, its politico-media establishment — is apparently at ease with the notion that a “not guilty” verdict is no longer the end of the matter but merely the end of Round One, with civil suits, federal suits, and a war-crimes trial at the Hague still to come. But even so this seems a wee bit too far. Zimmerman’s prosecutor on CNN’s Headline News yesterday: How would Florida State Attorney Angela Corey describe George Zimmerman in one word? “Murderer.” That’s what an emotional Corey told HLN’s Vinnie Politan when he sat down with her and prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda in Jacksonville Monday to discuss the obstacles they faced prosecuting the former neighborhood watch captain. A Florida judge has told Zimmerman he has no further business before the court. A Florida jury has declared him not guilty — of murder, of manslaughter. There is something not only unseemly but quite disgraceful about state officials speaking with all the force of state power refusing to accept the judgment of their own legal system. Alan Dershowitz thinks Mr. Zimmerman should sue for defamation. Ms. Corey is certainly unfit for office.
NoSaint Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 things getting real now - stevie wonder just announced he wont play florida until SYG is abolished.
TheMadCap Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 things getting real now - stevie wonder just announced he wont play florida until SYG is abolished. Really? How bout that? I thought he was dead.
B-Man Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 WILLIAM SALETAN: You Are Not Trayvon Martin: His death wasn’t about race, guns, or your pet issue. It was about misjudgment and overreaction—exactly what we’re doing now to the verdict: It turned out I had been wrong about many things. The initial portrait of Zimmerman as a racist wasn’t just exaggerated. It was completely unsubstantiated. It’s a case study in how the same kind of bias that causes racism can cause unwarranted allegations of racism. Some of the people Zimmerman had reported as suspicious were black men, so he was a racist. Members of his family seemed racist, so he was a racist. Everybody knew he was a racist, so his recorded words were misheard as racial slurs, proving again that he was a racist. It’s all agitprop for low-information voters.................................. If it damages the social fabric, so what? Power is all about power............................. Our political class has no sense of responsibility or shame. .
KD in CA Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 things getting real now - stevie wonder just announced he wont play florida until SYG is abolished. Boy, that'll punish all those gun-totting white Hispanics!
Joe Miner Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 things getting real now - stevie wonder just announced he wont play florida until SYG is abolished. Couldn't they just tell him he was in California?
NoSaint Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 Couldn't they just tell him he was in California? i thought i was serving up a lot of material about justice being blind, but that will work too.
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 WILLIAM SALETAN: You Are Not Trayvon Martin: His death wasn’t about race, guns, or your pet issue. It was about misjudgment and overreaction—exactly what we’re doing now to the verdict: It turned out I had been wrong about many things. The initial portrait of Zimmerman as a racist wasn’t just exaggerated. It was completely unsubstantiated. It’s a case study in how the same kind of bias that causes racism can cause unwarranted allegations of racism. Some of the people Zimmerman had reported as suspicious were black men, so he was a racist. Members of his family seemed racist, so he was a racist. Everybody knew he was a racist, so his recorded words were misheard as racial slurs, proving again that he was a racist. It’s all agitprop for low-information voters.................................. If it damages the social fabric, so what? Power is all about power............................. Our political class has no sense of responsibility or shame. . Yeah, ....lybob commented on that article yesterday. It's still a stupid article.
John Adams Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 Yeah, ....lybob commented on that article yesterday. It's still a stupid article. Tom and ...lybob sitting in a tree
unbillievable Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 I was thinking about the evidence and it occured to me.... Zimmerman walked 100ft from his car, Martin walked 400ft from his dad's house; who really followed whom?
John Adams Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 I was thinking about the evidence and it occured to me.... Zimmerman walked 100ft from his car, Martin walked 400ft from his dad's house; who really followed whom? Stop thinking.
Just Jack Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 Well that didn't take long.... George Zimmerman Trial Juror To Write Book another article - http://gawker.com/george-zimmerman-juror-b37-hates-media-called-trayvon-787873533 And now she's changed her mind. Someone probably mentioned she would have to go on a book signing tour. http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/07/16/juror-drops-plan-to-write-book-about-zimmerman-trial/
meazza Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 And now she's changed her mind. Someone probably mentioned she would have to go on a book signing tour. http://blogs.wsj.com...immerman-trial/ Well after Roddy White told her she should hang herself, maybe she had a change of heart?
Nanker Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 I was thinking about the evidence and it occured to me.... Zimmerman walked 100ft from his car, Martin walked 400ft from his dad's house; who really followed whom? You don't get it, do you?. Zimmerman had no legal right to walk in his neighborhood. He had an obligation to drive his car across the lawns of his neighbors and he neglected that responsibility which forced Travon Obama to punch him. It's all common cents like when a woman is being assaulted, beaten and raped. She can't shoot the rapist if she gets ahold of a gun - especially if is she owns the gun. She's got to take what's being dished out and then call the cops who will examine the length of her skirt, her makeup, and her past sexual activity to determine if she was asking for it.
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