IDBillzFan Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 There will be no DOJ outcome. There doesn't need to be an outcome. There only needs to be activity...red meat for the progressives whose money is desperately needed heading into the mid-terms. They already tapped out the female money, gay money and union money. He can't come out for gay marriage AGAIN. So, next up: anti-gun money, NAACP, CBC, MSNBC viewers, etc. Think about it; the black community is already pissed because when they're not killing each other, they're standing around wondering why so many more of them are unemployed. Stoke the fires, and let's get one last cash haul.
OCinBuffalo Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 That tells us a lot about your own racist thinking. Racists or even perceived racists don't get treated very well here. Why don't you cite some specific examples and create a discussion rather than make a proclamation and most likely run away? Because that's what blzurl does. Not in recent years, that I can recall anyway. I used to haunt this place until the college freshmen with no lives (and less to say) took over. It's all good. Anything that's said here matters not one whit in the grand scheme of things except to he who posted it and the people who take exception to it. . Case in point 3rdnlng: Instead of addressing your objection to her ridiculous assertion, before, in her mind, you can start pressing her on it: she attacks you and anyone else, again, as college freshmen? She doesn't do this consciously. It's pretty much an automated response. Aside: This comes from the poster who was most likely to repeat what you would hear from a college freshman from 2005-2009. Hilarious irony. And, irony that will never dawn on blzurl, because she defines ignorant. But, her entire approach means: her racist assertion stands. The focus changes from how you aren't racists, to how you aren't a college freshman. Of course, to me, this is the opposite of clever: it is easliy broken down, as I have done, and put on display. But, blzurl thinks this means she wins, because she called you all racists, and got away with it. So says the dorm mother. You may be getting older, but your shtick hasn't changed a bit. You're still mean and nasty, and don't really add to the discussion beyond your favorite use of the letter K. Phony. Don't forget blzurl's phoniness. She's in the top 3 for biggest phony at PPP, and her nastiness is easily surpassed by her lack of intellectual honesty. This is a case. If you can't see it, then you have been sucked into the counter hype to the original hype. It's not a great case, it is a real case. He's out there prosecuting, b/c he's a prosecutor. I agree with this. This is perhaps the most reasoned, and therefore most correct post in this thread. We have an adversarial judicial system, and thank God for that. We don't have these ridiculous Judge/Prosecutor European systems that are clearly inferior, because they take forever and are (ahem, Aruba) prone to corruption, incompetence, and the personal whims of the Judge/Prosecutor. Therefore, by definition, we have 2 sides, and each side's job is to do their very best for their side. It isn't and cannot be based on the merits of each side's position, that is for the jury to decide, and that is why we have: trials. I think we have become distracted from the basics of the system, because of the media's propensity to try the case themselves, because so many cases get plead instead of tried, and becaue TV shows portray a false sense of how this really works. What. The. !@#$? I don't even know what the intent of this slide is supposed to be? What was the prosecution trying to prove? Freudian WTF? here. Consider: why a Federal Marshal's badge? They could have used the badges of their own police. They could have used their state police. The could have used a badge from f'ing Disney World. Why a Federal Marshal's badge? Why the personal police force of the DOJ, and not the FBI? Who prepared this slide? Or, if the DA's office did prepare it, why would they choose this badge? Perhaps some subconscious influence of the people that are in their offices, into their desks, and up their asses every day? Seems like B-Man's Judicial Watch article has some unintended corroboration. I take no pleasure in mocking stupid people. Hehehehe....then WTF are you doing here? Riker was always a douche. Absolutely... Consider: if you were Data, and this guy kept putting his foot up on/near your armrest, such that his nuts were always danger close to resting on your shoulder? You'd be glad you're an android, and that you don't really understand humans all that well. The worst thing, if you watch the episodes again, is that whenever Riker does that, he always has a disturbing little "check these out" smile. I believe I would end that smile with a nice quick stretch, elbows out, fists near my head.
blzrul Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 You people just have too much time on your hands. That's why I bought a yacht. Keeps me busy. That said, I was expecting this verdict. The prosecution was pretty incompetent. Once again egomaniacal attorneys go for the brass ring, and blow it. However, "not guilty" does not mean innocent. There are only two people who know what really happened. Once's not talking and the other can't. In the end I think it's HYSTERICAL that the Zimmermans are now worried about "vigilantes with guns" who might go after Zimmerman. That would certainly be an interesting irony. I think the stand your ground law as it's implemented in Florida needs a little work. My sister used to write legislation for a (thankfully) northern state, it's not that hard but you have to be very painstaking. Florida just passed a law trying to stop online gaming in certain areas that is being interpreted by some to outlaw computers. My final prediction is that the State of Texas will be happy to give Zimmerman that PD job he so craved and couldn't even get in Florida.
Fezmid Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 You people just have too much time on your hands. That's why I bought a yacht. Keeps me busy. That said, I was expecting this verdict. The prosecution was pretty incompetent. Once again egomaniacal attorneys go for the brass ring, and blow it. However, "not guilty" does not mean innocent. There are only two people who know what really happened. Once's not talking and the other can't. In the end I think it's HYSTERICAL that the Zimmermans are now worried about "vigilantes with guns" who might go after Zimmerman. That would certainly be an interesting irony. I think the stand your ground law as it's implemented in Florida needs a little work. My sister used to write legislation for a (thankfully) northern state, it's not that hard but you have to be very painstaking. Florida just passed a law trying to stop online gaming in certain areas that is being interpreted by some to outlaw computers. My final prediction is that the State of Texas will be happy to give Zimmerman that PD job he so craved and couldn't even get in Florida. You do realize that stand your ground had absolutely nothing to do with this case, right? Do you also know that there was a witness who testified that he saw Zimmerman getting a beat down from Martin ("Ground and pound" is the phrashing that was used on the stand). And another witness (from the prosecution) said that Martin was near his house but apparently decided to not go inside. So there was more than one witness. So if a "vigilantes with a gun" killed ZImmerman, it wouldn't be anywhere near the same as what happened to TM, unless Zimmerman was beating the crap out of someone (and other testimony said that on a scale of 1-10, Zimmerman was a 0.5 when it came to fighting).
B-Man Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 From Roger L. Simon: Obama Big Loser In Zimmerman Trial. Forget the over-zealous prosecutors and the repellent state attorney Angela Corey (who should be immediately disbarred or, my wife said sarcastically, elevated to director of Homeland Security) and even the unfortunate Trayvon Martin family (although it is certainly hard to forget them — they have our profound sympathies), the true loser at the Zimmerman trial was Barack Obama. By injecting himself in a minor Florida criminal case by implying Martin could be his son, the president of the United States — a onetime law lecturer, of all things — disgraced himself and his office, made a mockery of our legal system and exacerbated racial tensions in our country, making them worse than they have been in years. This is the work of a reactionary, someone who consciously/unconsciously wants to push our nation back to the 1950s. It is also the work of a narcissist who thinks of himself first, of his image, not of black, white or any other kind of people. It’s no accident that race relations in our country have gone backwards during his stewardship. Congratulations to the jury for not acceding to this tremendous pressure and delivering the only conceivable honest verdict. This case should never have been brought to trial. It was, quite literally, the first American Stalinist “show trial.” There was, virtually, no evidence to convict George Zimmerman. It was a great day for justice that this travesty was finally brought to a halt. The media also followed Obama (as they always do) by enabling the demagogue Sharpton, as if he were a serious person. The media, as I wrote before, treated this case like pornography, something to be exploited, giving it all sorts of racial import it didn’t have. The New York Times, acting like true reactionaries of the Obama era (how can we use the word “liberal” with these people?), even went so far as to invent the term “white Hispanic” to fit the case. The National Enquirer couldn’t have done it better. (I take it back. The Enquirer behaves more ethically.) The irony is that the people who suffer most from the media behaving in this manner are black people who are manipulated into acting as an interest group when they have no interest. They are literally victims of the media and of Obama. Of course, they aren’t the only ones. Almost everyone is a victim in in this case that should never have been tried. George Zimmerman will never live a normal life. The American public has been polarized with emotions stirred up for absolutely no reason. Racism is essentially manufactured, as if it were a commodity. A further irony is that recent polls have shown racism in our culture at all-time lows. You don’t hear that from the media or from our administration, however. This knowledge is not to their advantage. .
Rob's House Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 You do realize that stand your ground had absolutely nothing to do with this case, right? Do you also know that there was a witness who testified that he saw Zimmerman getting a beat down from Martin ("Ground and pound" is the phrashing that was used on the stand). And another witness (from the prosecution) said that Martin was near his house but apparently decided to not go inside. So there was more than one witness. So if a "vigilantes with a gun" killed ZImmerman, it wouldn't be anywhere near the same as what happened to TM, unless Zimmerman was beating the crap out of someone (and other testimony said that on a scale of 1-10, Zimmerman was a 0.5 when it came to fighting). That's actually a pretty solid post for her. She usually just calls everybody racist, throws in a quip about Foxnews, and disappears. To her credit, she admitted the state's case was garbage and that we don't know what happened that night, which means she agrees with the ruling. I'm proud of her for taking her game up a notch. Because that's what blzurl does. I agree with this. This is perhaps the most reasoned, and therefore most correct post in this thread. I disagree with both of you. This may have been a reasonable case at one time, but by the time it got to trial the prosecution knew what they did and didn't have, and it was clear from the outset that there wasn't sufficient evidence to establish murder 2. If you want to argue that a case could be made for manslaugher I might reluctantly concede that a weak case could be made, but just barely rising to the level of probable cause, if even that, but there was no case to be made for murder 2 and that's what they charged.
meazza Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 You people just have too much time on your hands. That's why I bought a yacht. Keeps me busy. That said, I was expecting this verdict. The prosecution was pretty incompetent. Once again egomaniacal attorneys go for the brass ring, and blow it. However, "not guilty" does not mean innocent. There are only two people who know what really happened. Once's not talking and the other can't. In the end I think it's HYSTERICAL that the Zimmermans are now worried about "vigilantes with guns" who might go after Zimmerman. That would certainly be an interesting irony. I think the stand your ground law as it's implemented in Florida needs a little work. My sister used to write legislation for a (thankfully) northern state, it's not that hard but you have to be very painstaking. Florida just passed a law trying to stop online gaming in certain areas that is being interpreted by some to outlaw computers. My final prediction is that the State of Texas will be happy to give Zimmerman that PD job he so craved and couldn't even get in Florida. Don't have wifi on the yacht?
DC Tom Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 Racism is essentially manufactured, as if it were a commodity. I can ignore the rest, but that is actually a profound observation.
boyst Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 Everyone talking about Vick... about OJ being in jail right now...about this or that... I forgot all of them, but I am certain that in almost all of the cases I keep hearing black people talking about being victims - they're talking about people who took plea deals. Vick took a plea deal.
Gary M Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 . The prosecution was pretty incompetent. No they weren't, they had no case. They were forced to prosecute and didn't have anything that could possibly lead to a murder charge.
OCinBuffalo Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) That's actually a pretty solid post for her. She usually just calls everybody racist, throws in a quip about Foxnews, and disappears. To her credit, she admitted the state's case was garbage and that we don't know what happened that night, which means she agrees with the ruling. I'm proud of her for taking her game up a notch. So, if we are keeping score, what is that? 3-452? I'm waiting to be called racist, because I missed the first round. I disagree with both of you. This may have been a reasonable case at one time, but by the time it got to trial the prosecution knew what they did and didn't have, and it was clear from the outset that there wasn't sufficient evidence to establish murder 2. If you want to argue that a case could be made for manslaugher I might reluctantly concede that a weak case could be made, but just barely rising to the level of probable cause, if even that, but there was no case to be made for murder 2 and that's what they charged. For me, the fact that it changed, as you say, from a reasonable case, to an unreasonable one, alone, is a perfectly valid reason that it needed to go to trial, and that's why I am pleased that it did. I can ignore the rest, but that is actually a profound observation. Not to be a LAMP, but, why do you think they used a marshal's badge? Edited July 15, 2013 by OCinBuffalo
OCinBuffalo Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 From Roger L. Simon: Obama biggest loser, etc.. Of course. Why would you involve yourself in something whose outcome you cannot control, that has marginal upside at best if you win, and massive downside/ridicule if you lose? The very real and large damage Obama is doing to his party's future agenda? It is no longer a question about whether it happens, now, it's about to what extent it happens. And, I want to hear more about this Judicial Watch thing. If true, then we need to take to the streets and force Holder out of office.
IDBillzFan Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 No they weren't, they had no case. They were forced to prosecute and didn't have anything that could possibly lead to a murder charge. Funny how no one who needs justice for Trayvon ever sees that point. Not a one can point to any evidence. They can only point to what they want to see, and what they want to see is what they're told to see so they don't have to think too hard. I wasn't interested in following the case because it was clear from the jump it was political. Then the 19-year-old with the neck fat started telling people she can't read cursive, and I was immediately drawn into this Kardashian clusterphuck. And if you paid even the least bit of attention, you saw a prosecution trying to do something it likely knew it couldn't do. Never did the state present evidence supporting its case. Not once. Half their witnesses helped the defense. No evidence. Just people talking about what they think happened, and want to believe happened, and as I watch FB and Twitter time lines fill with friends of mine wanting justice for Trayvon, I shake my head and realize things are about to get worse. It'll start with the WH getting involved, and somewhere in the middle, the jurors will be exposed, and it'll get Jeantel ugly very fast.
DC Tom Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Not to be a LAMP, but, why do you think they used a marshal's badge? I think because they used a college AV department to create their slides, and that's the best they could do between gym class and lunch. Seriously...just amateurism all around. Now THIS http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23310837 is !@#$ing racism.
Passepartout Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Zimmerman will have to be in hiding for years. Like in the case of Casey Anthony. As people want to do them in.
3rdnlng Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Funny how no one who needs justice for Trayvon ever sees that point. Not a one can point to any evidence. They can only point to what they want to see, and what they want to see is what they're told to see so they don't have to think too hard. I wasn't interested in following the case because it was clear from the jump it was political. Then the 19-year-old with the neck fat started telling people she can't read cursive, and I was immediately drawn into this Kardashian clusterphuck. And if you paid even the least bit of attention, you saw a prosecution trying to do something it likely knew it couldn't do. Never did the state present evidence supporting its case. Not once. Half their witnesses helped the defense. No evidence. Just people talking about what they think happened, and want to believe happened, and as I watch FB and Twitter time lines fill with friends of mine wanting justice for Trayvon, I shake my head and realize things are about to get worse. It'll start with the WH getting involved, and somewhere in the middle, the jurors will be exposed, and it'll get Jeantel ugly very fast. I sort of followed this case from the beginning of the media outrage. For a long time I had no opinion as it regarded to innocence or guilt for GZ. My inter radar was picqued by the media's narrative. My interest in this case stemmed from the media and the politicians efforts to control the court system. After a while though, it became very apparent that the state had no case (unless there were some bigtime surprises) and the whole trial was an injustice. This subject came up tonight at a family gathering. My one sister, who thought the verdict was awful, got to hear my listing of the facts. When I finished she asked me if I was serious and had really watched the actual trial. When I told her I had and was probably in the .1 percentile of people who knew the facts, she looked at me and said "thats not what Nancy Grace said". I said "who do you believe, Nancy Grace or me"? She thought for a minute and said, "you've never lied to me before, and those SOB's all should go to jail". One convert at a time.
unbillievable Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 I sort of followed this case from the beginning of the media outrage. For a long time I had no opinion as it regarded to innocence or guilt for GZ. My inter radar was picqued by the media's narrative. My interest in this case stemmed from the media and the politicians efforts to control the court system. After a while though, it became very apparent that the state had no case (unless there were some bigtime surprises) and the whole trial was an injustice. This subject came up tonight at a family gathering. My one sister, who thought the verdict was awful, got to hear my listing of the facts. When I finished she asked me if I was serious and had really watched the actual trial. When I told her I had and was probably in the .1 percentile of people who knew the facts, she looked at me and said "thats not what Nancy Grace said". I said "who do you believe, Nancy Grace or me"? She thought for a minute and said, "you've never lied to me before, and those SOB's all should go to jail". One convert at a time. This is one of those times where it's quite obvious that the people who are protesting this verdict know nothing of the facts of the case. I have never seen a debate this controversial where the only real difference between the two opposing sides is that one chooses to remain ignorant. We are literally arguing facts vs opinions.
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/us/in-zimmerman-case-self-defense-was-hard-to-topple.html "Mr. Zimmerman had the power of self-defense laws on his side..." How dare they pass laws that allow people to defend themselves!
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