Soldier goes Postal

[Adam]

Occasionally, people let slip certain words that define them. 'Generally' is one of them.

 

 

 

 

Associated Press

 

 

Obama calls Afghan shooting 'heartbreaking,' says he's 'generally proud' of troops

Published March 12, 2012, Associated Press

 

 

He's "generally proud"?

 

There are times when there are no words..........but I will say, what an embarrassment our president is.

I think the situation called for that- it basically called the recent incidents anomalies that we aren't proud of. For the most part, we all are proud (and in awe) of the work our military does for us to maintain our freedoms. We must always keep in mind that despite what they do, they are humans and have the same human weakness as the rest of us. Be it the recent incidents or the stuff that happened at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib

[DC Tom]

Bin Laden was running (figurehead)the MAK which was supported in insurgent activity against the Soviets by the ISI and through the ISI the CIA - The Taliban had !@#$ to do with 9-11, there was no training going on in Afghanistan unless you count goat herding, mud hut building and maybe reading the Koran as training - the 9-11 hijackers were trained in Florida and San Diego - Pashtun Hospitality is often given the blame as why they wouldn't just give him over to the US I give more credence to the position that the Government in Kabul really didn't even have the ability to grab and bring forth Osama in the time period that the US demanded- the Idea of a "central" government in Afghanistan is laughable.

 

Wrong.

 

not even close to the worst thing America has done since the war began.

 

"America" didn't do this at all. Any more than Buffalo bombed Oklahoma City.

 

And I wonder how many people irate over this have even heard of the Stryker Dozen?

[....lybob]

Yes please. You left of the heinous acts at Abu Ghraib that President Bush ordered.

And the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue should be taken to task for this obscenity in equal measure as his predecessor was for that "horror".

I never blamed bush for Abu Ghraib (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Yoo ) though absolutely- since you are a simpleton I'll use a simple football analogy- Obama=Jeff Fisher, The staff Sargent = Albert Haynesworth, the massacre = Andre Gurode's stomped on head- While with the Bush administration Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Yoo= New Orleans staff setting bounties, the Abu Ghraib guards and the New Orleans players both followed the tone set by higher ups.

[3rdnlng]

I never blamed bush for Abu Ghraib (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Yoo ) though absolutely- since you are a simpleton I'll use a simple football analogy- Obama=Jeff Fisher, The staff Sargent = Albert Haynesworth, the massacre = Andre Gurode's stomped on head- While with the Bush administration Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Yoo= New Orleans staff setting bounties, the Abu Ghraib guards and the New Orleans players both followed the tone set by higher ups.

 

 

I'd ask you if you'd lost your mind but it's not possible to lose something that you didn't already have.

[Nanker]

I never blamed bush for Abu Ghraib (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Yoo ) though absolutely- since you are a simpleton I'll use a simple football analogy- Obama=Jeff Fisher, The staff Sargent = Albert Haynesworth, the massacre = Andre Gurode's stomped on head- While with the Bush administration Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Yoo= New Orleans staff setting bounties, the Abu Ghraib guards and the New Orleans players both followed the tone set by higher ups.

 

Never said you did. How come so many of the atrocities you listed happened after BO took office and where is the outrage.

Simpleton indeed. Furry wombat.

[....lybob]

Wrong.

 

 

 

"America" didn't do this at all. Any more than Buffalo bombed Oklahoma City.

 

And I wonder how many people irate over this have even heard of the Stryker Dozen?

no you're wrong, also ugly

 

What? he got to Afghanistan all by himself- no you're right America didn't do it but they also never made it to the moon that was a bunch of ex-Nazi scientists and a couple of jet cowboy.

 

well obviously I knew about the Stryker Dozen as I used them as an example.

 

Never said you did. How come so many of the atrocities you listed happened after BO took office and where is the outrage.

Simpleton indeed. Furry wombat.

I've attacked Obama many times on this board even though Magox says I'm not allowed to.

Edited March 13, 2012 by ....lybob

[Magox]

well for numbers

 

The Haditha killings (also called the Haditha incident or the Haditha massacre) refers to the incident in which 24 unarmed Iraqi men, women and children were killed by a group of United States Marines on November 19, 2005 in Haditha, a city in the western Iraqi province of Al Anbar. All those killed were civilians[1]. The dead included several children and elderly people, who were shot multiple times at close range while unarmed. It has been alleged that the killings were retribution for the attack on a convoy of Marines with an improvised explosive device that killed Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas and many news reports have compared the incident to the My Lai massacre.[2]

An initial Marine Corps communique reported that 15 civilians were killed by the bomb's blast and eight insurgents were subsequently killed when the Marines returned fire against those attacking the convoy. However, other evidence uncovered by the media contradicted the Marines' account.[3] A Time magazine reporter's questions prompted the United States military to open an investigation into the incident. The investigation claimed it found evidence that "supports accusations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot civilians, including unarmed men, women and children", according to an anonymous Pentagon official.[4] At least three officers were officially reprimanded for failing to properly initially report and investigate the killings.[citation needed] On December 21, 2006, eight Marines from 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines were charged in connection with the incident.

 

Uruzgan helicopter attack

The victims were traveling in three buses in broad daylight in a group of 42 civilians in Uruzgan province near the border to Daykundi on February 21, 2010 .[5][6] When the convoy was on a main road in the village of Zerma it came under attack from U.S. Special Forces piloting Little Bird helicopters using "airborne weapons". NATO later stated that they believed at that time that the minibuses were carrying insurgents.[7][8] 27 civilians including four women and one child were killed in the attack while another 12 were wounded. Initially the number of deaths was reported at 33.[9] ISAF ground troops transported the wounded to medical treatment facilities after they found women and children at the scene.

 

Deh Bala wedding party bombing refers to the killing of a large number of Afghan civilians mostly women and children who were walking the bride of a wedding ceremony to the groom's village in Dih Bala district of Nangarhar province, Afghanistan.[1][2]

When the group was stopping for a rest it was hit by at least three U.S. military bombs that killed most of the victims instantly on 6 July 2008.[3] The U.S. military initially denied that any civilians were killed in the incident.[4][5]

An investigation ordered by President Karzai and led by a nine-man commission of the senate found that 47 civilians including the bride had been killed, this was also confirmed by human rights officials.

 

Wech Baghtu wedding party attack refers to the killing of a large number of Afghan civilians mostly women and children who had gathered to celebrate a wedding when coming under attack by US warplanes dropping bombs on a housing complex in the village of Wech Baghtu, Shah Wali Kot District of Kandahar province, Afghanistan.[1][2][3]

An investigation found that a total of 37 civilians were killed in the incident including 23 children and 10 women, another 27–35 including the bride were wounded. The bombing wasn't the end of the ordeal, the villagers said. When the air strikes were over, international troops arrived, intimidated the villagers and prevented them from leaving to seek medical treatment while the soldiers took pictures. The Afghan government report also accused the Taliban of seeking shelter near the wedding party.

 

 

now if you want to talk heinousness

 

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A U.S. military court in Baghdad heard graphic testimony on Monday of how three U.S. soldiers took turns raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl before murdering her and her family.

 

 

At the hearing into whether four U.S. soldiers should be court-martialled for rape and murder, a special agent described what took place in Mahmudiya in March, based on an interview he had with one of the men, Specialist James Barker.

 

The case, the fifth involving serious crimes being investigated by the U.S. military in Iraq, has outraged Iraqis and led Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to call for a review of foreign troops' immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law.

 

Special Agent Benjamin Bierce recalled that Barker described to him how they put a couple and their six-year-old daughter into a bedroom of their home, but kept the teenage girl in the living room, where Barker held her hands while Sergeant Paul Cortez raped her or attempted to rape her.

 

Barker then switched positions with Cortez and attempted to rape the girl but said he was not sure if he had done so, Bierce told the hearing.

 

Barker also told the special agent he heard shots from the bedroom and shortly afterwards Private Steven Green emerged from the room, put down an AK-47 assault rifle and raped the girl while Cortez held her down.

 

SHOT HER SEVERAL TIMES

 

Barker told Bierce that Green then picked up the weapon and shot her once, paused, and shot her several more times.

 

Military prosecutors are expected to set out their case against Private First Class Jesse Spielman, 21, Barker, 23, Cortez, 23 and Private First Class Bryan Howard, 19, who face charges of rape and murder among others.

 

 

 

or this

 

The Maywand District killings refers to the murder of at least three Afghan civilians perpetrated by a group of U.S. Army soldiers in 2010, during the War in Afghanistan. The soldiers, who referred to themselves as the "Kill Team",[1][2] were members of the 3rd Platoon, Bravo Company, 2nd Battalion, 1st Infantry Regiment 5th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division. They were based at FOB Ramrod at Maiwand, in the southern Kandahar Province of Afghanistan.[3][4]

During the summer of 2010, the military charged five members of the platoon with murder of three Afghan civilians in Kandahar province and collecting their body parts as trophies. In addition, seven soldiers were charged with crimes such as hashish use, impeding an investigation, and attacking the whistleblower Spc. Justin Stoner.

 

only two and not savaged but there is something awful about shooting helpless people in your custody

 

VILSECK, Germany — A videotape played Thursday in the trial of a U.S. soldier shows him describing how he shot two of four bound and blindfolded Iraqi prisoners in March 2007.

 

Sgt. Michael Leahy Jr., 28, was videotaped talking with Army investigators last year. A pre-trial motion by Leahy’s attorneys to suppress the video failed.

 

The video showed Leahy confessing an hour and 10 minutes into an interview with a Criminal Investigation Command special agent in Schweinfurt, Germany.

 

"I shot one of them," Leahy told the agent. "I shot two shots," he said, pointing his hand like a pistol.

 

 

"It was my decision. I always knew this ... would come back to me," he said.

 

The prisoners’ bodies were dumped in a Baghdad canal.

 

 

if you want more....

A couple of those were pretty bad, the bombings aren't nearly as horrific as what we saw over the weekend. Can you get me a link to the first one? That one could be as bad, but out of the examples you listed, none of them are clearly worse than what we just saw.