buffalo_bills Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/ So we have plenty to spend coming Tuesday. Don't be surprised if we're active, considering the cap room and what Buddy has said. Go Bills!
PromoTheRobot Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I have no idea who we could realistically get from the top tier. How good a salesman is Buddy and how do players see the Bills right now? Up and coming? PTR
buffalo_bills Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 I have no idea who we could realistically get from the top tier. How good a salesman is Buddy and how do players see the Bills right now? Up and coming? PTR You can get a lot of things in this world with $......pay the men, they'll come. That simple.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Hmmmm… the Bills have the 7th most at $30.8 million and the league average is $11.7 million. That right there is a fairly large determining factor. I still don't see us getting Mario Williams or Vincent Jackson but this reaffirms my belief that the Bills will land a significant free agent.
benderbender Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 That gets us one Mario or two Vincent Jackson's
Danny Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 That gets us one Mario or two Vincent Jackson's I hate to be THAT guy but... That doesn't include the money it will take to sign our draft picks. Your looking at about 15 mil. Or so in actual cash. Also, does that figure include Chandlers signing bonus + salary? (terms haven't been disclosed yet) The Bills (imo) at the very least are still are going to tender Urbik and Rienhart (or at least they should). Plus they are in talks with Scott. Now after all that- the number you have left over is used on free agents. Buuuuuut, they can still do things such as release players to make more room under the cap and free up some cash. So I do think they can make some moves (fingers crossed).. I just wanted to point out that anyone expecting too much may be disappointed. Personally I'm hoping for maybe one big signing (ex.jackson?) Or a couple of mid range signings like (ex. Meachum?)
stony Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 That gets us one Mario or two Vincent Jackson's Darkhorse...Carl Nicks
Doc Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I hate to be THAT guy but... That doesn't include the money it will take to sign our draft picks. Your looking at about 15 mil. Or so in actual cash. Also, does that figure include Chandlers signing bonus + salary? (terms haven't been disclosed yet) The Bills (imo) at the very least are still are going to tender Urbik and Rienhart (or at least they should). Plus they are in talks with Scott. Now after all that- the number you have left over is used on free agents. Buuuuuut, they can still do things such as release players to make more room under the cap and free up some cash. So I do think they can make some moves (fingers crossed).. I just wanted to point out that anyone expecting too much may be disappointed. Personally I'm hoping for maybe one big signing (ex.jackson?) Or a couple of mid range signings like (ex. Meachum?) That cap room figures in all the moves so far, but doesn't take into account the tenders for Urbik and Rinehart (unless a deal or deals can be worked out), which are probably a 2nd round tender for Urbik ($1.927M) and an original (3rd, $1.26M) tender for Rinehart, which is about $3.2M. And the rookie cap will be about $6M. This is assuming non-cash-to-cap accounting. BTW, the Skins apparently are going all-in on Vincent Jackson, so forget about him. And Williams is probably also a pipe dream given the amount of cap room many teams have. I'm hoping they pursue Kamerion Wimbley, who Oakland will likely move (I'd even favor trading a pick to them to ensure getting him), and a speedy WR.
Danny Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 That cap room figures in all the moves so far, but doesn't take into account the tenders for Urbik and Rinehart (unless a deal or deals can be worked out), which are probably a 2nd round tender for Urbik ($1.927M) and an original (3rd, $1.26M) tender for Rinehart, which is about $3.2M. And the rookie cap will be about $6M. This is assuming non-cash-to-cap accounting. BTW, the Skins apparently are going all-in on Vincent Jackson, so forget about him. And Williams is probably also a pipe dream given the amount of cap room many teams have. I'm hoping they pursue Kamerion Wimbley, who Oakland will likely move (I'd even favor trading a pick to them to ensure getting him), and a speedy WR. The 15 million I stated was cash to cap.
Doc Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 The 15 million I stated was cash to cap. No, I know. It's just that if they use cash to cap, that would leave about $12M, which is basically one top-tier FA, which isn't really being "aggressive" at all. And they only started using cash to cap after that lousy 2006 CBA, while the new one is far better.
valle7878 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 You guys are forgetting that the rookies with the new collective bargaining agreement dont get the big monry anymore and the 6 million is way too high. We also can get rid of Kelsey and edwards for 11.5 million and restructure more deals to get more room we have roughly about 25 million to spend on free agents and that is probably 3-5 players because once the season starts they dont have to be under the cap.
dailar Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 You guys are forgetting that the rookies with the new collective bargaining agreement dont get the big monry anymore and the 6 million is way too high. We also can get rid of Kelsey and edwards for 11.5 million and restructure more deals to get more room we have roughly about 25 million to spend on free agents and that is probably 3-5 players because once the season starts they dont have to be under the cap. Not just that but surely every team has to find $15m to sign rookies also. With the league average being $11m then there appears to be a discrepancy here? Or have I got that all wrong?
Doc Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Not just that but surely every team has to find $15m to sign rookies also. With the league average being $11m then there appears to be a discrepancy here? Or have I got that all wrong? You have that all wrong. Teams need about $5-6M in cap room to sign their picks. That's using amortization of signing bonuses and low first year base salaries.
sllib olaffub Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 We have the cash to go after anyone - even Mario Williams. It is up to Buddy Nix to figure out where to spend the money to, in the end, strengthen our team the most. It's very similar to the argument about trading up for a QB like Griffin, or using that pick to aquire a bunch of lesser picks - which is a better strategy? Right now we're capable of going all in on one or two F.A.'s, or we can bring in a handful or more of less coveted players - and, there's always one or two lower level guys who just need the right opportunity to turn into the next big player. We'll have to see - that is part of the fun!
Danny Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 You guys are forgetting that the rookies with the new collective bargaining agreement dont get the big monry anymore and the 6 million is way too high. We also can get rid of Kelsey and edwards for 11.5 million and restructure more deals to get more room we have roughly about 25 million to spend on free agents and that is probably 3-5 players because once the season starts they dont have to be under the cap. It wont be that much. Closer to $7million. Last year the Bills draft picks took up just under $10 mil in cap room and about twice that much in actual cash.
QCity Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) You have that all wrong. Teams need about $5-6M in cap room to sign their picks. That's using amortization of signing bonuses and low first year base salaries. The Bills do not use amortization! Last year when we signed Dareus, his $13M signing bonus counted 100% towards our cash to cap. Last year the #10 pick got a 7.2M signing bonus. So under the cash to cap system, $12-$15M is more realistic. Takes a big bite out of that $30M+ figure, huh? Any free agents that get a signing bonus will count 100% too. Edited March 12, 2012 by QCity
d_wag Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 The Bills do not use amortization! Last year when we signed Dareus, his $13M signing bonus counted 100% towards the 2011 cap. Last year the #10 pick got a 7.2M signing bonus. So under the cash to cap system, $12-$15M is more realistic. Takes a big bite out of that $30M+ figure, huh? Any free agents that get a signing bonus will count 100% too. incorrect - in 2012 dareus has a $4.6M cap value. of that amount, $3.3M is prorated bonus, paid in 2011. http://nyjetscap.com/Bills/bills2012.php the bills use the cash to the cap as an excuse to pay out less money to free agents on a year to year basis, but they still prorate the bonuses over the life of the deal.
QCity Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 incorrect - in 2012 dareus has a $4.6M cap value. of that amount, $3.3M is prorated bonus, paid in 2011. http://nyjetscap.com/Bills/bills2012.php the bills use the cash to the cap as an excuse to pay out less money to free agents on a year to year basis, but they still prorate the bonuses over the life of the deal. I misspoke - it's fixed. I meant to say it counts 100% towards our cash to cap model(how much we can spend). Obviously the NFL amortizes it over the lifespan of the deal.
Doc Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 The Bills do not use amortization! Last year when we signed Dareus, his $13M signing bonus counted 100% towards the 2011 cap. Last year the #10 pick got a 7.2M signing bonus. So under the cash to cap system, $12-$15M is more realistic. Takes a big bite out of that $30M+ figure, huh? Any free agents that get a signing bonus will count 100% too. I've been saying that they only went to "cash to cap" after the POS 2006 CBA. Now that there is a more favorable CBA and a salary floor, I doubt we'll be seeing it anymore.
K-9 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 incorrect - in 2012 dareus has a $4.6M cap value. of that amount, $3.3M is prorated bonus, paid in 2011. http://nyjetscap.com/Bills/bills2012.php the bills use the cash to the cap as an excuse to pay out less money to free agents on a year to year basis, but they still prorate the bonuses over the life of the deal. That just isn't the case. The Bills use cash to cap accounting so as not to extend an expense into future cap years. It creates more cap room in successive years. Many teams have been using this type of accounting system since the 2006 CBA. All teams will use it starting next season when everyone needs to be at 89% of cap in actual cash spent. GO BILLS!!!
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