Don't Bomb Iran!

[Justice]

US interests will rarely diverge from Israeli interests, if only because it's our only stable, democratic ally in the Middle East.

 

And Holocaust guilt.

 

Only democratic ally, huh? Refresh my memory for me, Tom. How many terms may a Prime Minister in Israel hold? What kind of democracy doesn't allow a race to vote (West Bank and Gaza), I know that Arabs that live in "Israel" are allowed to vote, but those guys aren't viewed as Palestinians, they're recognized as Israelis. What kind of democracy forces you to join the armed forces?

 

Please, explain to me how Israel is democratic.

[Jim in Anchorage]

Only democratic ally, huh? Refresh my memory for me, Tom. How many terms may a Prime Minister in Israel hold? What kind of democracy doesn't allow a race to vote (West Bank and Gaza), I know that Arabs that live in "Israel" are allowed to vote, but those guys aren't viewed as Palestinians, they're recognized as Israelis. What kind of democracy forces you to join the armed forces?

Please, explain to me how Israel is democratic.

Back off that one. You never heard of the US draft? Learn a little history before you lecture.

[3rdnlng]

Only democratic ally, huh? Refresh my memory for me, Tom. How many terms may a Prime Minister in Israel hold? What kind of democracy doesn't allow a race to vote (West Bank and Gaza), I know that Arabs that live in "Israel" are allowed to vote, but those guys aren't viewed as Palestinians, they're recognized as Israelis. What kind of democracy forces you to join the armed forces?

 

Please, explain to me how Israel is democratic.

 

 

Maybe because they actually have a vote that means something? I understand your angst though when the Religious Police in Iraq pull teenagers out of the classroom and stone them to death. Serves them right, the little pricks shouldn't have had a nose ring in the first place. Oh, and I love all this "Arab Spring" schit where you get rid of despots and replace them with religious despots that just come up with more reasons and ways to torture and kill. Your indignation is sort of cute and in line with the "wish it was so" lefties in this country.

[Justice]

Back off that one. You never heard of the US draft? Learn a little history before you lecture.

 

The draft? That's only during times of war and it no longer exists. Israelis have to join the armed forces whether there's a war or not. BIG DIFFERENCE. Learn a little history? LOL!! Like I didn't know what a draft is!!! Too funny!!!

 

Maybe because they actually have a vote that means something? I understand your angst though when the Religious Police in Iraq pull teenagers out of the classroom and stone them to death. Serves them right, the little pricks shouldn't have had a nose ring in the first place. Oh, and I love all this "Arab Spring" schit where you get rid of despots and replace them with religious despots that just come up with more reasons and ways to torture and kill. Your indignation is sort of cute and in line with the "wish it was so" lefties in this country.

 

 

Yeah, let's make this about something else. Don't answer my questions and talk about everything else. Figures.

 

For the record, I'm no liberal. I'm in the middle.<br>It's sad to me that this powerful, big nation of ours has to kiss little ol' Israel's ass all the time. Talk about the tail wagging the dog. It makes me sick and there isn't a real good reason why we do. Pathetic. Their votes mean something? How do you know that? Are you the one that counts up all the votes? It's funny how Ahmadinejad gets voted in as President and everyone is convinced the election was rigged, but no way does that happen here or in Israel. No way can that happen here or there, right? Because we all know we live in a superhero movie where good prevails all the time and evil gets defeated. I'm against not having term limitations because that's no different than a dictatorship.

Edited March 11, 2012 by NoJustice

[3rdnlng]

The draft? That's only during times of war and it no longer exists. Israelis have to join the armed forces whether there's a war or not. BIG DIFFERENCE. Learn a little history? LOL!! Like I didn't know what a draft is!!! Too funny!!!

 

 

 

 

Yeah, let's make this about something else. Don't answer my questions and talk about everything else. Figures.

 

For the record, I'm no liberal. I'm in the middle.<br>It's sad to me that this powerful, big nation of ours has to kiss little ol' Israel's ass all the time. Talk about the tail wagging the dog. It makes me sick and there isn't a real good reason why we do. Pathetic.<br>

 

 

You're a one trick pony. The only time you come to PPP is to knock Israel and cry about the Palestinians. And furthernore you don't know schit about the U.S. draft history. It hasn't always been an all volunteer military.

[Justice]

You're a one trick pony. The only time you come to PPP is to knock Israel and cry about the Palestinians. And furthernore you don't know schit about the U.S. draft history. It hasn't always been an all volunteer military.

 

Still not answering my questions, huh? That makes you a no trick pony. I only talk about Palestine/Israel because that's all that interests me on the PPP board. Don't like it? Then don't respond to me.

 

What I do know is the draft no longer exists here, but in Israel, home of our "democratic ally" you HAVE TO join the army. No freedom there, buddy.

Edited March 11, 2012 by NoJustice

[3rdnlng]

Still not answering my questions, huh? That makes you a no trick pony. I only talk about Palestine/Israel because that's all that interests me on the PPP board. Don't like it? Then don't respond to me.

 

What I do know is the draft no longer exists here, but in Israel, home of our "democratic ally" you HAVE TO join the army. No freedom there, buddy.

 

 

What questions do you want me to answer?

[Justice]

What questions do you want me to answer?

 

The questions that I asked Tom about. Not allowing a race to vote, why isn't there limitations on how many terms a prime minister in Israel can hold, why do we kiss Israel's ass all the time, and why does Israel force their citizens to join the armed forces and what makes Israel a "democracy".

Edited March 11, 2012 by NoJustice

[DC Tom]

The questions that I asked Tom about. Not allowing a race to vote, why isn't there limitations on how many terms a prime minister in Israel can hold, why do we kiss Israel's ass all the time, and why does Israel force their citizens to join the armed forces and what makes Israel a "democracy".

 

The bolded isn't even relevant to the point you're trying and failing to make.

 

The other three...Britain doesn't have term limits for their PM, America limits voting rights in territories, and Switzerland has compulsory participation in the armed forces. All democracies.

 

And Gaza and the West Bank aren't "races," they're occupied territories.

 

And are you arguing now that the occupied territories are actually part of Israel proper, that they should have voting rights extended to them?

[Justice]

The bolded isn't even relevant to the point you're trying and failing to make.

 

The other three...Britain doesn't have term limits for their PM, America limits voting rights in territories, and Switzerland has compulsory participation in the armed forces. All democracies.

 

And Gaza and the West Bank aren't "races," they're occupied territories.

 

And are you arguing now that the occupied territories are actually part of Israel proper, that they should have voting rights extended to them?

 

I know the bolded part isn't relevant to my point, I just want to know why we suck up to them so much. Is it reciprocated? It doesn't seem like it is. I don't hear them kissing our asses like we do them.

 

I thought Britain was a kingdom, am I wrong?

 

If they weren't a part of Israel then why does Israel attack them whenever they feel like it and take away land for settlements and building of the wall?

Edited March 11, 2012 by NoJustice

[3rdnlng]

The questions that I asked Tom about. Not allowing a race to vote, why isn't there limitations on how many terms a prime minister in Israel can hold, why do we kiss Israel's ass all the time, and why does Israel force their citizens to join the armed forces and what makes Israel a "democracy".

 

 

Why does Israel force its citizens to join the armed forces? Maybe because there is a f'n war going on. I guess I wouldn't allow a-holes that do what's in the link below to vote either.

 

 

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/153623

[Justice]

Why does Israel force its citizens to join the armed forces? Maybe because there is a f'n war going on. I guess I wouldn't allow a-holes that do what's in the link below to vote either.

 

 

http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/153623

 

I just love how you conveniently left out why those rockets were launched in the first place. An airstrike killed 15 people in Gaza, yesterday. Treat people like caged animals and that's exactly what they'll become.

[DC Tom]

I know the bolded part isn't relevant to my point, I just want to know why we suck up to them so much. Is it reciprocated? It doesn't seem like it is. I don't hear them kissing our asses like we do them.

 

 

I thought Britain was a kingdom, am I wrong?

 

Yes, you're wrong.

 

Really, I thought you were smarter than this. Learn something about the world.

 

If they weren't a part of Israel then why does Israel attack them whenever they feel like it and take away land for settlements and building of the wall?

 

....what? Why does Israel attack itself whenever it feels like it and settle on its own land?

 

Try making sense.

[3rdnlng]

I just love how you conveniently left out why those rockets were launched in the first place. An airstrike killed 15 people in Gaza, yesterday. Treat people like caged animals and that's exactly what they'll become.

 

 

Was that in addition to the terrorists and their munition plants? I know if I was an innocent person I'd stay away from the bad guys and their bomb making.

[Justice]

 

 

 

Yes, you're wrong.

 

Really, I thought you were smarter than this. Learn something about the world.

 

United KINGDOM of Great Britain?

 

....what? Why does Israel attack itself whenever it feels like it and settle on its own land?

 

Try making sense.

 

It's called the UK, isn't it? United KINGDOM of Great Britain?

 

I thought you were smarter than this, too. They take land from the occupied territories whenever they want. They must feel like they have some right to that land, don't ya think?

 

Was that in addition to the terrorists and their munition plants? I know if I was an innocent person I'd stay away from the bad guys and their bomb making.

 

As far as I know, two out of the 17 killed were terrorists. The other 15? Oh well, some more meaningless collateral damage. And the cycle of hate continues. New terrorists were born yesterday.Stay away from the bad guys? In the most populated place on earth per square mile? Good luck with that.

 

I'd love to see Israel go it alone against Iran. Especially a ground war. Fight against men in uniform. They'll get their asses handed to them just like they did against Hezbollah in Lebanon when they tucked tail and ran.

 

They're nothing but cowards. Always trying to get the US to do their dirty work for them. Thanks for endangering the lives of the US citizens.

Edited March 11, 2012 by NoJustice

[DC Tom]

It's called the UK, isn't it? United KINGDOM of Great Britain?

 

"Well, that's what they're CALLED!" That's your knowledge of it? Just shut up, man.

 

I thought you were smarter than this, too. They take land from the occupied territories whenever they want. They must feel like they have some right to that land, don't ya think?

 

Why are you asking what I think? You're the one that argued they should extend voting rights to occupied territories. So are you arguing that the occupied territories are not just "occupied territories" but actually a part of Israel?

 

Really, you're arguing that Israel is undemocratic because regions that you don't believe are part of Israel don't have voting rights as part of Israel. So which is it? Is the West Bank actually Israel, in which case Israel is undemocratic (and you would have to admit that the West Bank is, in fact, NOT Palestinian but Israeli.) Or is the West Bank an occupied Palestinian territory, in which case it's not actually a part of Israel and thus their lack of voting rights isn't undemocratic (unless you want to argue that the US isn't a democracy because the US Virgin Islands don't have voting rights.)

 

I'm not making an argument either way...I'm just pointing out that your argument contradicts itself.

[3rdnlng]

It's called the UK, isn't it? United KINGDOM of Great Britain?

 

I thought you were smarter than this, too. They take land from the occupied territories whenever they want. They must feel like they have some right to that land, don't ya think?

 

 

 

As far as I know, two out of the 17 killed were terrorists. The other 15? Oh well, some more meaningless collateral damage. And the cycle of hate continues. New terrorists were born yesterday.Stay away from the bad guys? In the most populated place on earth per square mile? Good luck with that.

 

I'd love to see Israel go it alone against Iran. Especially a ground war. Fight against men in uniform. They'll get their asses handed to them just like they did against Hezbollah in Lebanon when they tucked tail and ran.

 

They're nothing but cowards. Always trying to get the US to do their dirty work for them. Thanks for endangering the lives of the US citizens.

 

 

 

I've got three words for you....................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Six Day War

[DC Tom]

I've got three words for you....................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Six Day War

 

Or Bekaa Valley.

 

Apples and oranges. Just like the US, Israel has the capacity to kick any Arab country's ass (probably any two - three might be a stretch at this point) in a stand-up, set-piece conventional military campaign of maneuver (as long as it's quick; Israel doesn't have the economic depth to prosecute a long campaign - probably 4-6 weeks, tops). But create an open, oozing sore using asymmetric tactics, and they're largely lost.

[Justice]

"Well, that's what they're CALLED!" That's your knowledge of it? Just shut up, man.

 

 

 

Why are you asking what I think? You're the one that argued they should extend voting rights to occupied territories. So are you arguing that the occupied territories are not just "occupied territories" but actually a part of Israel?

 

Really, you're arguing that Israel is undemocratic because regions that you don't believe are part of Israel don't have voting rights as part of Israel. So which is it? Is the West Bank actually Israel, in which case Israel is undemocratic (and you would have to admit that the West Bank is, in fact, NOT Palestinian but Israeli.) Or is the West Bank an occupied Palestinian territory, in which case it's not actually a part of Israel and thus their lack of voting rights isn't undemocratic (unless you want to argue that the US isn't a democracy because the US Virgin Islands don't have voting rights.)

 

I'm not making an argument either way...I'm just pointing out that your argument contradicts itself.

 

Why are you having such a hard time grasping this. The occupied territories are a part of Israel as long as they feel they have the right to take away land for settlements and for the wall. You can't have it both ways. Stop expanding settlements in the West Bank if it truly belongs to the Palestinian people. Allow Palestinians to come and go as they please. Let them build their own airport. Dismantle all of the checkpoints. My parents aren't even allowed to live in the country they were born in. Let's not kid ourselves, the occupied territories belong to Israel for all intents and purposes. They control every aspect of life in the OT. Give us equal rights. They already control it all without having any of the negatives that come along with controlling that land. They're having their cake and eating it, too. Sneaky bastards.

 

So yeah, I believe the West Bank belongs to Israel, because they OWN and CONTROL it.

 

Or Bekaa Valley.

 

Apples and oranges. Just like the US, Israel has the capacity to kick any Arab country's ass (probably any two - three might be a stretch at this point) in a stand-up, set-piece conventional military campaign of maneuver (as long as it's quick; Israel doesn't have the economic depth to prosecute a long campaign - probably 4-6 weeks, tops). But create an open, oozing sore using asymmetric tactics, and they're largely lost.

 

I agree 100%. The Israelis will destroy Iran through the air and by missile strikes with no problem. A ground war, on the other hand, not so much. They will get defeated there.

 

Democracy or not. We shouldn't have to kiss Israel's ass all the time. We don't need them. Before we had bases all around the world I can see the need for Israel, but now that we're set up for world domination with bases everywhere that's no longer the case. Let Israel take care of Israel.

Edited March 11, 2012 by NoJustice

[Alaska Darin]

A ground war, on the other hand, not so much. They will get defeated there.