Bill from NYC Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Democrats at Work You know, the one who was beaten senseless by the anarchists, which make up (along with their sympathizers) a substantial portion of the democrat party. These same scumbags are calling the police response "brutal." I do not know how a sane, sound person could be identified as a democrat. Honestly, I am sickened by the labor policies of the Bush Administration, but there is no chance that I would vote for waffling, "Ketchup Kerry" and support his band of marauders, burned out sixties hippies and apologetic liberals that dominate this party. In any event, the Detective is said to now be stable and recovering, thanks to God.
Mike in Syracuse Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 It is possible to be a Democrat and not "liberal". You do realize that don't you? I agree with your assessment on Kerry but I'm not sure that GW is any better. Don't forget, he's had his fun with drugs and alcohol It's really dissappointing than in a country of this size and power that we have to choose between the lesser of the two moofs.
VABills Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 It is possible to be a Democrat and not "liberal". You do realize that don't you? I agree with your assessment on Kerry but I'm not sure that GW is any better. Don't forget, he's had his fun with drugs and alcohol It's really dissappointing than in a country of this size and power that we have to choose between the lesser of the two moofs. 13046[/snapback] It could be worse we could have Jaques Chirac.
Alaska Darin Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 It's really dissappointing than in a country of this size and power that we have to choose between the lesser of the two moofs. 13046[/snapback] If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. 13075[/snapback] I SEVERELY doubt that. That saying is worn and tired and incorrect. What can WE do to bring down the two-party system in America? I'm not the problem, so obviously I must be part of the solution, therefore....?? It's beat your head against the wall time on THAT one
Mickey Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Democrats at Work You know, the one who was beaten senseless by the anarchists, which make up (along with their sympathizers) a substantial portion of the democrat party. These same scumbags are calling the police response "brutal." I do not know how a sane, sound person could be identified as a democrat. Honestly, I am sickened by the labor policies of the Bush Administration, but there is no chance that I would vote for waffling, "Ketchup Kerry" and support his band of marauders, burned out sixties hippies and apologetic liberals that dominate this party. In any event, the Detective is said to now be stable and recovering, thanks to God. 13027[/snapback] Bill, you can't paint us all with the same brush. That guy who set the bombs in Atlanta and shot that doctor was a republican. I wouldn't blame the republican party for him. I think something like 100,000 people marched on Sunday and out of that 100,000, how many were out of hand or even arrested? If you are going to blame the party as whole for everything some idiot or group of idiots do, then be fair, go both ways. Blame the republicans for a black guy getting dragged behind a pick up truck and for tying a gay kid up to a fence on the prarie.
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 It could be worse we could have Jaques Chirac. 13074[/snapback] It IS worse.... we just don't have the French Republican government to make it UTTERLY hopeless!
Alaska Darin Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 I SEVERELY doubt that. That saying is worn and tired and incorrect. What can WE do to bring down the two-party system in America? I'm not the problem, so obviously I must be part of the solution, therefore....?? It's beat your head against the wall time on THAT one 13096[/snapback] You can contact your elected representives at every level and demand that they remove the obstacles that have been put in place to deny 3rd party candidates the necessary access to ballots. You can let the local media know that you won't be reading or watching their medium as long as they continue to exclude all but the "big 2" from their coverage. If only the people who complain about this problem each election actually did these simple things, change would actually be possible. Instead, they continue the status quo - getting exactly what they deserve. Mediocrity, it's fantastic!
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Democrats at Work You know, the one who was beaten senseless by the anarchists, which make up (along with their sympathizers) a substantial portion of the democrat party. These same scumbags are calling the police response "brutal." 13027[/snapback] Actually, the anarchists protesting the RNC were also protesting the DNC as well. They are hardly representative of the Democratic party. And of course they're going to say the police response was brutal...they're friggin' anarchists. They're dead set against the principle of law enforcing bodies. What I really want to know, though, is why the Institute for Anarchist Studies has a .org website.
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 You can contact your elected representives at every level and demand that they remove the obstacles that have been put in place to deny 3rd party candidates the necessary access to ballots. 13159[/snapback] Right..."I demand that you remove the obstacles to alternate party candidates...even though they serve to protect your own power." That'll work...
Alaska Darin Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Right..."I demand that you remove the obstacles to alternate party candidates...even though they serve to protect your own power." That'll work... 13188[/snapback] Good response. Glad our Forefathers gave their lives to escape the very political system we're currently serving. Let's keep doing nothing and pretending we like it.
Bill from NYC Posted August 31, 2004 Author Posted August 31, 2004 Actually, the anarchists protesting the RNC were also protesting the DNC as well. They are hardly representative of the Democratic party. And of course they're going to say the police response was brutal...they're friggin' anarchists. They're dead set against the principle of law enforcing bodies. What I really want to know, though, is why the Institute for Anarchist Studies has a .org website. 13185[/snapback] Tom (and Mickey), I dont hold every democrat responsible for the actions of anarchists, but do maintain the belief that they have many supporters, and a substantial place within the ranks of the dem party itself. Tom, there were women walking around on a 90 degree day with babies in strollers. They were carrying signs for what? You guessed it, abortion rights! Call me a crazy right winger, but when my kids were 2, I was reading to them, not parading them around demos in stifling heat. Dont you think that the lunacy above turns off at least some mainstream voters? I do, and think that were it not for these (and other) wackos having such a loud voice in the party, the dems would be in power as we speak.
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Good response. Glad our Forefathers gave their lives to escape the very political system we're currently serving. Let's keep doing nothing and pretending we like it. 13223[/snapback] If third parties keep giving us guys like Bush in the White House, people WON'T like the idea. I am the opposite of a libertarian, btw... so although we speak from completely opposite corners, this two-party system SUCKS. Having three parties won't solve the problem. I can't make up for the scores of uneducated people out there who don't care. It is like skiing up a mountain of ice; it seems just TOO much to overcome.
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Good response. Glad our Forefathers gave their lives to escape the very political system we're currently serving. Let's keep doing nothing and pretending we like it. 13223[/snapback] I wasn't disagreeing with the sentiment, just saying that as a practical matter complaining to those in power about the system that keeps them in power and expecting results is, frankly, insane.
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Tom (and Mickey), I dont hold every democrat responsible for the actions of anarchists, but do maintain the belief that they have many supporters, and a substantial place within the ranks of the dem party itself. Tom, there were women walking around on a 90 degree day with babies in strollers. They were carrying signs for what? You guessed it, abortion rights! Call me a crazy right winger, but when my kids were 2, I was reading to them, not parading them around demos in stifling heat. Dont you think that the lunacy above turns off at least some mainstream voters? I do, and think that were it not for these (and other) wackos having such a loud voice in the party, the dems would be in power as we speak. 13232[/snapback] It turns ME OFF, that's for damn sure. I HATE, absolutely HATE abortion and gay marriage issues. What goes for news now isn't what *I* want to see, and we suffer greatly for it. grrr
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Tom (and Mickey), I dont hold every democrat responsible for the actions of anarchists, but do maintain the belief that they have many supporters, and a substantial place within the ranks of the dem party itself. Tom, there were women walking around on a 90 degree day with babies in strollers. They were carrying signs for what? You guessed it, abortion rights! Call me a crazy right winger, but when my kids were 2, I was reading to them, not parading them around demos in stifling heat. Dont you think that the lunacy above turns off at least some mainstream voters? I do, and think that were it not for these (and other) wackos having such a loud voice in the party, the dems would be in power as we speak. 13232[/snapback] My perception of the anarchists, specifically, is otherwise. But they're loons, anyway...they preach personal responsibility as a viable alternative for institutionalized law enforcement and centralized government, then organize protests and incite riots and violence. Yeah, there's a consistent message. And I wish the NYPD had caught up with the guy that beat the detective...see how much he likes his anarchy then. I saw on TV the women arguing abortion rights while holding babies, too. Even though I'm FOR abortion rights, I thought that was friggin' looney. Way to get your message across, people...
Alaska Darin Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 My perception of the anarchists, specifically, is otherwise. But they're loons, anyway...they preach personal responsibility as a viable alternative for institutionalized law enforcement and centralized government, then organize protests and incite riots and violence. Yeah, there's a consistent message. And I wish the NYPD had caught up with the guy that beat the detective...see how much he likes his anarchy then. I saw on TV the women arguing abortion rights while holding babies, too. Even though I'm FOR abortion rights, I thought that was friggin' looney. Way to get your message across, people... 13258[/snapback] My personal favorite was the group bitching about free, clean needles and condoms. There are 2 "issues" that are really ailing us. Losers.
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 My personal favorite was the group bitching about free, clean needles and condoms. There are 2 "issues" that are really ailing us. Losers. 13262[/snapback] Admittedly, there's important public health ramifications in those issues. However, on my list of "Things that are wrong with this country that REALLY need to be addressed", that's probably about the thirtieth item down on page 17, right below "lima beans" and "Joe Theisman's broadcasting career".
Mickey Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Tom (and Mickey), I dont hold every democrat responsible for the actions of anarchists, but do maintain the belief that they have many supporters, and a substantial place within the ranks of the dem party itself. Tom, there were women walking around on a 90 degree day with babies in strollers. They were carrying signs for what? You guessed it, abortion rights! Call me a crazy right winger, but when my kids were 2, I was reading to them, not parading them around demos in stifling heat. Dont you think that the lunacy above turns off at least some mainstream voters? I do, and think that were it not for these (and other) wackos having such a loud voice in the party, the dems would be in power as we speak. 13232[/snapback] I am sure it does, just as the "Lambs of God" turn off mainstream voters. As a democrat myself, I haven't seen these looneys at any of the meetings. Many of them aren't really democrats anymore, the party moved too far to the center under Clinton for them which is why we have Nader. Here is an article from Slate about police-protester interaction that, I think, is far more characteristic than the violent incident that occurred: You were expecting violence and mayhem? I am worried that violence might get worse as the week progresses for a lot of reasons. Bush is about as welcome in NYC I think as Kerry would be in Dallas. Their is a war on that is not all that popular, tempers and emotions are pretty high. Toss in the way the last Presidential election ended, the emotions of 9/11 and polls showing a dead heat and it isn't hard to imagine some major civil unrest going on. Really, a 100,000 protesters is a lot of people. That is really incredible and a cause for worry. I think the NYPD though is a good group to be able to handle this situation. They have seen it all and know how to handle large and potentially unruly crowds without raising tempers.
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Here is an article from Slate about police-protester interaction that, I think, is far more characteristic than the violent incident that occurred: You were expecting violence and mayhem? 13292[/snapback] Nice article, actually. Though this line made me laugh: "With the kids huddled in front of TV cameras, a woman began to scream, "George Bush is responsible for the misfortune of everyone who's disabled. ... He should be charged with a citizen's arrest for his crimes against humanity."" People like that is why I developed such a heartfelt contempt for protest marches.
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