Mr. WEO Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 No one would agree with you that the Cowboys teams from 1992-1993 had less talent than the Bills. That's just crazy talk. As for the Skins, they weren't stacked with HOF'ers, but the team was unstoppable, even without the questionable officiating that went on in the SB. To believe that the players didn't come up small time and again and that it was all just coaching is silly, but you're entitled to believe it. They were equivalently talented teams, doc. Your memories of the Bills as a less than very talented team lacking enough playmakers during that period is the unique point of view. In fact, I've never heard anyone say that the Bills should have drafted better players during that time. When a team stocked with so much talent on both sides of the ball gets blown out in 3 successive SBs, there is a significant deficit at the coaching position. Tjey simply weren't properly prepared to play these teams. Marv was a motivator, but he wasn't a tactician or great game planner. One of the best GMs in the business and a certain Hall of Famer. Being a jerk has not hurt his performace. Kind of like that coach in New England. I'll bet he retires for good after this fiasco. It is someone interesting (but predictable) that some will, in retrospect only, of course, dump on the only 2 GMs that have brought the Bills success in 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 They were equivalently talented teams, doc. Your memories of the Bills as a less than very talented team lacking enough playmakers during that period is the unique point of view. In fact, I've never heard anyone say that the Bills should have drafted better players during that time. When a team stocked with so much talent on both sides of the ball gets blown out in 3 successive SBs, there is a significant deficit at the coaching position. Tjey simply weren't properly prepared to play these teams. Marv was a motivator, but he wasn't a tactician or great game planner. It is someone interesting (but predictable) that some will, in retrospect only, of course, dump on the only 2 GMs that have brought the Bills success in 30 years. IMO, AJ Smith is a better GM than Polian. The real mistake after firing Polian was not keeping Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Very different. His son is an owner in waiting. No position he can hold in the organization is a promotion from what he already is. And Polian's son wasn't a GM in waiting? Prior to Irsay's father giving up the team Jr was a Owner in waiting. Obviously it's a family business but it doesn't make him qualified automatically. The Colts' depth and talent level was exposed when Peyton went down but in defense of the Polians Peyton for all intents and purposes was the offense, the OC, called all of his plays and was a incredible leader. The offense was completely lost without him due to how much control and influence he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 They were equivalently talented teams, doc. Your memories of the Bills as a less than very talented team lacking enough playmakers during that period is the unique point of view. In fact, I've never heard anyone say that the Bills should have drafted better players during that time. When a team stocked with so much talent on both sides of the ball gets blown out in 3 successive SBs, there is a significant deficit at the coaching position. Tjey simply weren't properly prepared to play these teams. Marv was a motivator, but he wasn't a tactician or great game planner. It is someone interesting (but predictable) that some will, in retrospect only, of course, dump on the only 2 GMs that have brought the Bills success in 30 years. Actually when a team gets blown out in 3 SB's, it's harder to make a case that it's mostly coaching. And in the Giants SB, they had chances to win, but failed to make key stops on defense. Not to mention they couldn't stop the run in any SB. That points to a personnel problem. As for Polian, again the fact that he inherited some HOF players with the Bills, and was able to draft another with the Colts because he had the 1st overall, point out that it wasn't all him. Not to mention his time in Carolina, which he knew wouldn't last because Collins wasn't a good pick. IMO, AJ Smith is a better GM than Polian. The real mistake after firing Polian was not keeping Smith. AJ Smith was with the Bills until he left with John Butler. And Smith wasn't going to stay, when he could join Butler in San Diego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 "On that early January afternoon when the Polians were fired, numerous employees at the team’s training facility passed one another in the halls with huge grins on their faces and literally whistled “The Wizard Of Oz” standard “Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead.” Other than that, they didn’t really have an opinion about the moves." Sounds like Donahoe's exit from Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) IMO, AJ Smith is a better GM than Polian. The real mistake after firing Polian was not keeping Smith. wow, what a statement... wanna know what the Charger fans call AJ Smith. "The lord of no rings" Smith sucks big time as GM after firing Marty S right after a 14-2 season. Some of the best talent in the NFL for years and the result is not even a SB appearance as GM Polian built a team in Buffalo that went to 4 straight SB's. He did that with Marv levy as HC Then he went to Carolina and built a team from scratch to the NFC Championship in TWO YEARS, probably would have gotten them to a SB but was hired away by the Colts to be their new GM & president. Hired in 1997 he drafted Payton Manning in 1998, then 10 years of winning AFC East & South Championships, 2 SB appearances and one SB win. even John Butler was way better. PS, I gotta wonder if the peons walking the halls with ear to ear grins now that Polian is fired will still feel the same way in 3 years when the team is still at the bottom of the division, and the owner cleans out the entire FO staff. Anyway, who really shivs a git about how the employees feel about working for a tyrant, particularly if that Tyrant produces a winning team. Winning is the only thing. PPS, AJ Smith didn't leave after Bill Polian was fired, he stayed in Buffalo working under John Butler and left when RW fired Butler. Edited March 1, 2012 by Fear the Beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Actually when a team gets blown out in 3 SB's, it's harder to make a case that it's mostly coaching. And in the Giants SB, they had chances to win, but failed to make key stops on defense. Not to mention they couldn't stop the run in any SB. That points to a personnel problem. As for Polian, again the fact that he inherited some HOF players with the Bills, and was able to draft another with the Colts because he had the 1st overall, point out that it wasn't all him. Not to mention his time in Carolina, which he knew wouldn't last because Collins wasn't a good pick. AJ Smith was with the Bills until he left with John Butler. And Smith wasn't going to stay, when he could join Butler in San Diego. The '92 Bills were 2nd against the rush. Obviously they didn't prepare well for the Cowboys. They were even less prepared the next year. When top players chronically underperform in their biggest games, there is problem with preparation. That's the coach's job, doc. Smith wasn't GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 The '92 Bills were 2nd against the rush. Obviously they didn't prepare well for the Cowboys. They were even less prepared the next year. When top players chronically underperform in their biggest games, there is problem with preparation. That's the coach's job, doc. Smith wasn't GM. There is only so much a coach can do. So are you saying that Brady sucking in the playoffs, and the SB's in particular, the past 5 years is Belichick's fault? I never said Smith was the GM. Just that he didn't leave with Polian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 The Bills were nothing before the Polian era. They've been nothing since he left...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Actually when a team gets blown out in 3 SB's, it's harder to make a case that it's mostly coaching. And in the Giants SB, they had chances to win, but failed to make key stops on defense. Not to mention they couldn't stop the run in any SB. That points to a personnel problem. As for Polian, again the fact that he inherited some HOF players with the Bills, and was able to draft another with the Colts because he had the 1st overall, point out that it wasn't all him. Not to mention his time in Carolina, which he knew wouldn't last because Collins wasn't a good pick. AJ Smith was with the Bills until he left with John Butler. And Smith wasn't going to stay, when he could join Butler in San Diego. The Bills sucked on defense because Walt Corey was their DC. not firing this ass-clown was all on Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 We don't need Bill Polian, we got Buddy Nix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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