Chef Jim Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I think that having a comprehensive immigration bill that includes these pathways to citizenship that I mentioned along with more protection at the border can both be done simultaneously. So what pathway to citizenship are you talking about? For those already here? I'm not crazy about doing that but unfortunately we have little choice. We already have a pathway to citizenship in place for people not already in this country. This will only work if you secure the border at the same time. We've been down this road before thank you very much and it did not solve the problem, it's only gotten worse. I think it's safe to say I've lived here in CA longer than anyone on this board so I've seen it first hand. Nothing else has worked. Secure the border, figure out what to do with those here and enforce our immigration laws that we have in place with regard to hiring illegals. I'm not going to get into the complexities of it, but the idea that so and so has to happen first is a bunch of bull ****! bull **** to your bull ****. You know why it has to happen first? To make sure it happens at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm not going to get into the complexities of it, but I will tell you this, what stopped Bush from being able to make this happen was the hardcore anti immigrant wing of his own party and the cynical political calculation of the liberals knowing this fact and using it to their benefit. I'll care less once I'm able to move my company out of California. Until then, I don't give a crap about far left, far right, or all the other garbage I keep hearing so people can sound like the only rational non-partisan mind in the building. Shut it down first. Everything else is a waste of time if you don't do this first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 So what pathway to citizenship are you talking about? For those already here? I'm not crazy about doing that but unfortunately we have little choice. We already have a pathway to citizenship in place for people not already in this country. This will only work if you secure the border at the same time. We've been down this road before thank you very much and it did not solve the problem, it's only gotten worse. I think it's safe to say I've lived here in CA longer than anyone on this board so I've seen it first hand. Nothing else has worked. Secure the border, figure out what to do with those here and enforce our immigration laws that we have in place with regard to hiring illegals. bull **** to your bull ****. You know why it has to happen first? To make sure it happens at all. Well I call bull **** to your bull **** of my bull ****! So there! In regards to what sort of pathway to citizenship? I don't know enough details to give you a specific answer, but I layed out a general idea. Off of that framework with a serious committment of protecting the borders in a deal that works hand inhand with that idea, I would say is the best way to move forward. Also, unless you want to live in a world of high debt, high taxes, free **** for everyone, then the conservative movement better get on the ball on this issue, because latinos are moving away from conservatives and they are doing it in droves, and that is a fact! I'll care less once I'm able to move my company out of California. Until then, I don't give a crap about far left, far right, or all the other garbage I keep hearing so people can sound like the only rational non-partisan mind in the building. Shut it down first. Everything else is a waste of time if you don't do this first. Well, it's not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 If I remember correctly, deportations of illegals was down 33% the last couple months of 2011. The Obama administration fights the Arizona law put into place to do the feds job for them. How can you expect that they live up to any comprehensive immigration reform that includes border security simultaneous with a path to citizenship? The border fence seems to be going up rather slowly. If you don't secure the border first it won't get done. It's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 If I remember correctly, deportations of illegals was down 33% the last couple months of 2011. The Obama administration fights the Arizona law put into place to do the feds job for them. How can you expect that they live up to any comprehensive immigration reform that includes border security simultaneous with a path to citizenship? The border fence seems to be going up rather slowly. If you don't secure the border first it won't get done. It's as simple as that. Just because you say its as simple as that doesn't make it so. There has never been a real effort to protect the borders while having a sensible approach to allowing a pathway to citizenship. How can you expect that they live up to any comprehensive immigration reform that includes border security simultaneous with a path to citizenship? By Just doing it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) By Just doing it! Now there's an idea. We get Nike to only release i's new shoes in Mexico's Foot Lockers. Could be the fastest and cheapest deportation plan ever devised. Edited February 28, 2012 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Now there's an idea. We get Nike to only release i's new shoes in Mexico's Foot Lockers. Could be the fastest and cheapest deportation plan ever devised. Usually works well for me, better than doing what we have been doing. Oh, and guess what there LA? The idea that I'm floating, would be much better for all the concerns that you listed than the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Newsflash!!!! The politicians with a "D" after their name generally are against securing the border in any meaningful way. Didn't we have a deal for a fence? Going back to 1986 or so didn't we have an amnesty trade for securing the border? Hell, Sheriff Arpaio is evil in their mind. They need enough poor people to cross the border, gain services and eventually become voters for them. We need to secure the border before acting on any path to citizenship. The problem isn't with the illegals (in this situation) as much as it is with the dems. They can't be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 The problem is there is no punishment for those crossing the border. A few months ago I dealt with an illegal immigrant that this was caught 3 times in the past year for trying to cross the border illegally. Everytime border patrol caught him, they released him back to Mexico where he tried again. I presume you are in law enforcement of some type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Everytime border patrol caught him, they released him back to Mexico where he tried again. Oddly enough, that's just the kind of can-do spirit and commitment to success that most liberals would never recognize in their lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 There is path to citizenship First step is to come to this country legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 The GOP is on the wrong side of this issue. Repeating its centennial mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Oddly enough, that's just the kind of can-do spirit and commitment to success that most liberals would never recognize in their lifetime. Hogwash! We libs want the borders open! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Hogwash! We libs want the borders open! Welcome back. We've missed your on the ball posts. Edited February 28, 2012 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Welcome back. We've missed your on the ball posts. DiN is thrilled. A new buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 There is path to citizenship First step is to come to this country legally. Simple as that. Like guns, just enforce the laws on the books already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfatbillsfan Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I see no reason why we can't secure the boarder before opening up paths to citizenship. But once the boarder is secure it's important to get those paths open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Are you going to tie the boarder up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Are you going to tie the boarder up? Some people never learn. Maybe DIN should take a "Gallop" poll about it. Edited February 28, 2012 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 There is path to citizenship First step is to come to this country legally. Very limited #'s can come to this country legally. Would seem to me the 1st step would be to increase the number of visas available for both skilled and unskilled workers and also make it easier for legal immigrants to become citizens. After that, get the border secured better and as that happens increase the unskilled worker visas further. Once the border is secured, then allow a partial amnesty program for those that were here prior to the initiatives to begin actually securing the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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