Welborn9 Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 I know hes had some issues...mostly on the field ....but there talking about him possibly slipping into the 2nd round. If all goes well with FA and the 1st rnd, I would LOVE this dude in a bills uniform. Just nasty. Check out the link http://youtu.be/d7achvXsy3Q
Buffaloed in Pa Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 I`d like him too. Over Sheppard the leopard. Has a Ray Lewis type nasty streak too him. Something the Bills have lacked for years.
jjmac Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 But isn't he a MLB, and hasn't Gailey named Sheppard our starter?
CBD Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 He could probably play 43 OLB, but has too many personal issues on the field and in the locker room to warrant picking him that high.
VADC Bills Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) He reminds of this year's David Harris (with baggage) definitely worth getting in the 2nd or 3rd where some are projecting him to go. My gut tells me he will end up on the Ravens. Edited February 23, 2012 by VADC Bills
Welborn9 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Posted February 23, 2012 But isn't he a MLB, and hasn't Gailey named Sheppard our starter? He could easily play the SAM...
Astrobot Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 I was talking with a draft guy the other day who said Burfict could play SILB in the 3-4 and OLB in the 4-3. I was saying that Burfict is ranked too low as a 4-3 guy in RD1and too high to be there at rd2 given the need for ILB this year. I don't think Nix was sending up a smokescreen by saying Shep is our ILB, and I'm happy with Shep. He will be better than Burfict will be over the next 5 years. Better than Poz, too, BTW.
jcbillsfan Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 I read that he was having trouble doing 15 reps, it will be intresting to see how he does this weekend
White Linen Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 Looks to me that he had difficulty bringing guys down when the ball carrier came right on. Even when he launched himself at the ball carrier coming in from an angle there were times when the player didn't go down. He needs to get stronger. Seems like he would really struggle in the NFL as an inside linebacker. Couple things that stand out for me with Burfict are his closing/lateral speed and an obvious will to hit. I'm not an expert, but just seems like those skills would be more suited for the outside position. He reminds me a bit of Thomas Davis when he was at Georgia.
BBeck/cuba Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 My gut tells me he will end up on the Ravens. Yeah I agree with that. Before we announced the switch to 4-3 I was hoping for him in the 2nd to play next to Shep.
boyst Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 We could not utilize Maybin and I have no confidence we could use him.
jjmac Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 He could easily play the SAM... So we would spend a high pick on a guy to play a position where the starter may not be on the field for all three downs?
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 This has been discussed numerous times, with plenty of ASU locals/fans chiming in, so I'll give you my short answer: NOPE
jjmac Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 This has been discussed numerous times, with plenty of ASU locals/fans chiming in, so I'll give you my short answer: NOPE And the long answer?
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) And the long answer? Sure! From http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/138911-vontaze-burfict/page__p__2318193__hl__burfict__fromsearch__1#entry2318193 I live in Phoenix, and have watched him play for 2 seasons now. i dont want him. He will make 1 play a game. and take 2- 15 yard penalties. He will also take plays off when he is tired. I reeeeeeeally want to like Burfict, but after watching a few of his games, the bold is what I took away too. The first game I watched, I had to look online to see if he was actually playing. 3 games, and I'm not sure I saw him make one big play. Certainly not the type of plays the Alabama LBs make regularly that have announcers calling their names constantly. I'm not worried about him taking penalties, though. We need some intensity and fire. At the start of this season, he was projected as a top ten talent, who would have to overcome the personal fouls to actually get picked in that area. He has the perfect physical toolset for MLB, just not the head. He takes the occasional cheap shot. He talks 9 different kinds of trash and causes conflict almost every game(some of this could be in self-defense, though. I mean, I am not on the field, so i wont speculate who said what to whom to start the problem). It's too bad really, because this guy is physically gifted. He hits like a truck. he can run down people all over the field. He just might take out the guy next to the pile after the whistle, too. And I have not seen any, i mean not one play THIS year, that made an impact on the game. No forced fumbles, not hits on the qb leading to a pick 6, nothing. I am not saying he didnt make plays, but I dont remember any. And I watched every asu game since i am a fan... Is he worth a 3rd or 4th rd pick? Absolutely. A first or a second rd pick? i would say no way... And from http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/140828-vontaze-burfict-defensive-game-changer/page__p__2356325__hl__burfict__fromsearch__1#entry2356325 This thread is typical of us reacting to a name player we don't know much about (I do it all the time) Burfict was an absolute bust this year. I live down the street from ASU and watched or went to most games. He looks paunchy and slow. He is not a playmaker. He was often out of position. He plays like a Raider with some of the dumbest and costliest fouls I've seen. I'm an ASU fan who watches as many of their games as I can on TV or web streams, and I was MASSIVELY disappointed with Burfict. He definitely looked slower to me this year, and his attitude is not good. Constantly getting personal fouls. The past two years they were almost all for continuing to push and shove after the whistle. This year, he added b!tching at the refs to his repertoire. I suggested in an earlier thread about Burfict that maybe he belongs at DE; I think his mentality and skill set are better suited to just turning him loose on QBs. Coverage doesn't look like it will ever be a strong point so if he stays at MLB, he might be just a 1st and 2nd down guy. No earthly way I'd consider him with the 10th pick...and without knowing what free agency will bring, I absolutely want that pick to go for defense. We can find better than this guy. Edited February 23, 2012 by DrDareustein
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 I`d like him too. Over Sheppard the leopard. Has a Ray Lewis type nasty streak too him. Something the Bills have lacked for years. I hate bagging on college kids, but he's an idiot. He has some serious issues. ASU coodled him as much as you possibly could. He regressed this on the field and he continues to get stupid personal foul penalties. I love aggressiveness but I hate stupidity. Look at teh 1st Lions-Saints game with all the braindead personal foul penalties that killed that team. Say what about Ray Lewis, but he is a very smart football player. VB is the exact opposite. And Sheppard was a rookie. We are switching to a 4-3, the same defense he played for an elite college team in. Let's give him more than one year shall we?
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 I hate bagging on college kids, but he's an idiot. He has some serious issues. ASU coodled him as much as you possibly could. He regressed this on the field and he continues to get stupid personal foul penalties. I love aggressiveness but I hate stupidity. Look at teh 1st Lions-Saints game with all the braindead personal foul penalties that killed that team. Say what about Ray Lewis, but he is a very smart football player. VB is the exact opposite. And Sheppard was a rookie. We are switching to a 4-3, the same defense he played for an elite college team in. Let's give him more than one year shall we? Agreed, but watching him play, it's not even about the stupid personal fouls and lack of self-control. The real knock, imo, is that he did not make ANY big plays this entire season. Maybe 1 forced fumble, I think. But in the season before heading to the NFL, it was like he wasnt even on the field.
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 Agreed, but watching him play, it's not even about the stupid personal fouls and lack of self-control. The real knock, imo, is that he did not make ANY big plays this entire season. Maybe 1 forced fumble, I think. But in the season before heading to the NFL, it was like he wasnt even on the field. I guess if he was racking up 15 sacks or 5 INTs, I could live with the dumb penalties. But I've said this before. If a kid can't focus with millions on the line, how is he going to do it with millions in his pocket?
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 I guess if he was racking up 15 sacks or 5 INTs, I could live with the dumb penalties. But I've said this before. If a kid can't focus with millions on the line, how is he going to do it with millions in his pocket? EGG-SACTLY!
dpberr Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 He's in the Coples-zone, even as a second rounder. His intangibles are such a liability, they outweigh the talent. Talent is no good if it's not on the field or unmotivated.
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