Magox Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Then they'd just kill each other over something else. They'll make meth and hard drugs in more quantity, and send them north for people who want an even bigger high. It's like the dude who used to jerk off to his imagination, then when that doesn't get him anymore, uses the Sears catalog, then Victoria's secret, then Playboy, then hardcore, then pornos, then gonzo, then kiddie porn. Each step just leads to a higher threshold. No offense, but that is some faulty logic you got there. That flies in the face of conventional economic wisdom. Adding supply does not typically lead to added demand. This is a demand issue, there is a high demand for marijuana, not meth or heroine. Marijuana is not any more if not even less dangerous than alcohol. The demand will always be there for marijuana because every day that passes people are getting properly educated on marijuana, and they are learning that it isn't any sort of drug that creates physical hazard, at least not any more so than alcohol. Marijuana is almost as socially acceptable as alcohol, which ties in with this being a demand issue. Marijuana is BY FAR the number cash cow for the cartels, the idea that they will be able to supplant marijuana with meth or heroine as their cash cow is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Then they'd just kill each other over something else. They'll make meth and hard drugs in more quantity, and send them north for people who want an even bigger high. It's like the dude who used to jerk off to his imagination, then when that doesn't get him anymore, uses the Sears catalog, then Victoria's secret, then Playboy, then hardcore, then pornos, then gonzo, then kiddie porn. Each step just leads to a higher threshold. If you think the Sears catalog leads to kiddie porn, then it is sorta pointless debating ANYTHING with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whateverdude Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) What keeps the drug industry going is its huge profit margins. Producing drugs is a very cheap process. Like any commodities business the closer you are to the source the cheaper the product. Processed cocaine is available in Colombia for $1500 dollars per kilo and sold on the streets of America for as much as $66,000 a kilo (retail). Heroin costs $2,600/kilo in Pakistan, but can be sold on the streets of America for $130,000/kilo (retail). And synthetics like methamphetamine are often even cheaper to manufacture costing approximately $300 to $500 per kilo to produce in clandestine labs in the US and abroad and sold on US streets for up to $60,000/kilo (retail). Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/math.html#ixzz1mqwqSLDn Drug user expenditures in billions of dollars 1998: Cocaine.............39 Heroin..............11.6 Marijuana...........10.7 legalizing pot will not put a dent in the drug war violence. The C.I.A and other U.S.intelligence sources believe that synthetics like amphetamines and designer drugs like Ecstasy will garner a larger and larger share of the market in years to come. Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/math.html#ixzz1mqyUOrYv Edited February 19, 2012 by whateverdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Drug user expenditures in billions of dollars 1998: Cocaine.............39 Heroin..............11.6 Marijuana...........10.7 legalizing pot will not put a dent in the drug war violence. 1998????? Please, if you are gonna try to make an argument,please provide information that at least comes from this millenium. Do you have any idea how much marijuana imports from Mexico has increased since then? Look it up ANd wont put a dent in the drug war violence??? You are talking out your ass as usual. Marijuana accounts for anywhere between 50% to 65% of Mexican cartel revenues, say Mexican and U.S. officials. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704254604574614230731506644.html Maybe in your little narrow minded world 50-65% won't cause a "dent" but any rational thinking person understands that if you cut down a businesses main revenue generator and cut out anywhere between 1/2 to 2/3 of their total revenues, understands that it would critically impair a business. You see, this is called economics, and from an economic standpoint there is no rational debate on this topic. There isn't, none. Now if you guys want to come at this from a moral or cultural standpoint, then that is debatable. But from pure economics and what it would do to the cartels, your argument doesn't hold water. Will this solve the drug mexican cartel issue? No, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. Edited February 19, 2012 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whateverdude Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) 1998????? Please, if you are gonna try to make an argument,please provide information that at least comes from this millenium. Do you have any idea how much marijuana imports from Mexico has increased since then? Look it up ANd wont put a dent in the drug war violence??? You are talking out your ass as usual. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704254604574614230731506644.html Maybe in your little narrow minded world 50-65% won't cause a "dent" but any rational thinking person understands that if you cut down a businesses main revenue generator and cut out anywhere between 1/2 to 2/3 of their total revenues, understands that it would critically impair a business. You see, this is called economics, and from an economic standpoint there is no rational debate on this topic. There isn't, none. Now if you guys want to come at this from a moral or cultural standpoint, then that is debatable. But from pure economics and what it would do to the cartels, your argument doesn't hold water. Will this solve the drug mexican cartel issue? No, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. who is taking out there ass now? where's your stats? The number of marijuana users has remained fairly constant over time, with some dip in useduring the middle 1990s when prices were relatively high. Pretty good evidence to suggest that if you make pot hard to get and expensive, the amount of usage will go down. In 2000, Americans spent about $36 billion on cocaine, $10 billion on heroin, $5.4billion on methamphetamine, $11 billion on marijuana, and $2.4 billion on other substances (see Table 1). http://www.abtassociates.com/reports/american_users_spend_2002.pdf Prove to me this has changed!! BTW the pot is clouding your thinking. Edited February 19, 2012 by whateverdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) who is taking out there ass now? where's your stats? Pretty good evidence to suggest that if you make pot hard to get and expensive, the amount of usage will go down. http://www.abtassociates.com/reports/american_users_spend_2002.pdf Prove to me this has changed!! BTW the pot is clouding your thinking. It's right there you dumbass. There is no such thing as "official stats" Mexican DTOs earn $1.1 billion to $2 billion from exporting marijuana to the U.S. and sellingit to wholesalers across the southwest border. Legalizing marijuana in California would present two sources of competition. The obvious one is marijuana sold legally in California to California residents and drug “tourists” visiting from out of state, as well as legalized home cultivation. A less obvious but potentially more important threat is marijuana diverted from legal distribution channels. The latter includes marijuana that is grown legally in California but then smuggled to another state and sold illegally there, as well as marijuana sold to underage users in California. We believe that legalizing marijuana in California would effectively eliminate Mexican DTOs’ revenues from supplying Mexican-grown marijuana to the California market. As we elaborate in this chapter, even with taxes, legally produced marijuana would likely cost no more than would illegal marijuana from Mexico and would cost less than half as much per unit of THC (Kilmer, Caulkins, Pacula, et al., 2010). Thus, the needs of the California market would be supplied by the new legal industry. While, in theory, some DTO employees might choose to work in the legal marijuana industry, they would not be able to generate unusual profits, nor be able to draw on talents that are particular to a criminal organization. We also believe that Mexican DTOs would eventually lose all revenue stemming from the selling of Mexican marijuana to underage users in California. When it becomes possible in California for anyone over the age of 21 to provide juveniles with marijuana that is cheaper, better, and subject to more quality control, Mexican DTOs will have no more competitive advantage than they would trying to sell alcohol and cigarettes to California youth today. Now if that argument applies to Californi, then it certainly applies to the US http://www.rand.org/pubs/occasional_papers/2010/RAND_OP325.pdf And that comes from the Rand Corporation which many studies show that their estimates lowball most others including that from the U.N The Rand Corporation are not proponents of the legalization of marijuana, and they themselves concede that it would virtually cripple Mexican marijuana revenues for the cartels. They base it off of drug seizures and studies. And US officials estimate that 50 to 65% of Mexican cartel revenues come from Mexico, thats not what I'm saying, thats what US and Mexican officials estimate. Now you may try to change the subject with a 1998 or 2000 year study that shows total gross consumption in dollars, which has nothing to do with this conversation. Meanwhile, I'll talk about the topic at hand. Now try to keep up with me and focus here for a second. Are we not talking about Mexican imported marijuana? yes or no? Why are we talking about Mexican marijuana? Could it be because of the cartels and violence? Could it be that the point of this discussion is how cutting off a significiant portion of Mexican marijuana imports would contribute to defunding the cartels? The burden of proof is on you, now show me a different study that shows that marijuana is not a Mexican main revenue generator. And show me with whatever number you provide how that wouldn't seriously impact their revenues and funding. Show me and make the case. If not, then stop wasting my time. Edited February 19, 2012 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 If you think the Sears catalog leads to kiddie porn, then it is sorta pointless debating ANYTHING with you. I'd ask Whitney Houston if pot leads to harder drugs except she's dead so I can't ask her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Druggy, unless you wants an army of Whitney Houstons running around that would not be a good idea. I don't know. Right about now, a bunch of black women who sing pretty well and talk really loudly doesn't seem as bad as finding a few heads in the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Druggy, unless you wants an army of Whitney Houstons running around that would not be a good idea. You're right. Lets get all the druggies off the streets and into the bars. It's Ladies Night somewhere. Woo hoo. Pot is evil man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) I don't know. Right about now, a bunch of black women who sing pretty well and talk really loudly doesn't seem as bad as finding a few heads in the road. Who you calling loud? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Gi28pNruA Edited February 20, 2012 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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