BLZFAN4LIFE Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) No mas Mexican President unveils message to America. My link My response: NO MORE WETBACKS! I think it's a pretty fair deal. Edited February 18, 2012 by BLZFAN4LIFE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 No mas Mexican President unveils message to America. My response: NO MORE WETBACKS! I think it's a pretty fair deal. It's certainly not the laid back gentle Mexican people killing anyone because we know guns kill people instead of people killing people. Seriously, it would probably be a good idea to restrict The Holder Arms Company from exporting any more weapons, if only to help out the insurance companies holding policies on Border Patrol agents.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 When I looked at the title of this thread I thought to myself "This oughta be good" It didn't disappoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 It's certainly not the laid back gentle Mexican people killing anyone because we know guns kill people instead of people killing people. Seriously, it would probably be a good idea to restrict The Holder Arms Company from exporting any more weapons, if only to help out the insurance companies holding policies on Border Patrol agents.. Yes, but you forget that for every Border Patrol agent killed by one of the DOJ's weapons, one person must be hired to replace him. That's a bona fide decrease in unemployment! The gun-running programs are actually jobs programs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) Maybe they should put one at their southern border as well. You know, because that's where CBS News (hardly a bastion of pro-gun sentiment, don't you know) has proved that 90 percent of the guns in Mexico enter through, during their coverage of the BATF's Operation Fast and Furious scandal. (Seriously, if Sheryl Atkisson doesn't win a boatload of Pulitzers for her work on this story, it will finally prove the extent of rot and agenda in the MSM.) And it would be an even higher % if our own government stopped selling AK-47s directly to the cartel. Edited February 18, 2012 by UConn James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I know what we should do! Give Calderon a State Dinner and a microphone to publicly scold us...right from the White House lawn!!!!!! That outta learn him! GOD, I hate this Country sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Wow! Some of you guys are real dipshits! If it wasn't for our insatiable appetite and demand for drugs, there wouldn't be this violence issue. The idea that somehow cracking on supply is gonna solve the problem is absurd. If you really want to crack down on the violence, then you legalize Weed. That way you cut off the illegal supply of weed flowing from Mexico, which weed by far is the #1 drug imported into the US from Mexico. You cut this off, then you cut off their funding, and a good portion of their reason of existence. But go ahead, and keep blaming the boogeymen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Wow! Some of you guys are real dipshits! If it wasn't for our insatiable appetite and demand for drugs, there wouldn't be this violence issue. The idea that somehow cracking on supply is gonna solve the problem is absurd. If you really want to crack down on the violence, then you legalize Weed. That way you cut off the illegal supply of weed flowing from Mexico, which weed by far is the #1 drug imported into the US from Mexico. You cut this off, then you cut off their funding, and a good portion of their reason of existence. But go ahead, and keep blaming the boogeymen. That makes way too much sense, so of course no one will go for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 When I looked at the title of this thread I thought to myself "This oughta be good" It didn't disappoint Don't forget the original poster. That's how I knew it'd be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Don't forget the original poster. That's how I knew it'd be fun. I am ignoring the fact it came from someone with a history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whateverdude Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Wow! Some of you guys are real dipshits! If it wasn't for our insatiable appetite and demand for drugs, there wouldn't be this violence issue. The idea that somehow cracking on supply is gonna solve the problem is absurd. If you really want to crack down on the violence, then you legalize Weed. That way you cut off the illegal supply of weed flowing from Mexico, which weed by far is the #1 drug imported into the US from Mexico. You cut this off, then you cut off their funding, and a good portion of their reason of existence. But go ahead, and keep blaming the boogeymen. Hey hippie, you would also have to legalize cocaine, Heroin, MDMA and Methamphetamine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Hey hippie, you would also have to legalize cocaine, Heroin, MDMA and Methamphetamine. Your point being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Wow! Some of you guys are real dipshits! If it wasn't for our insatiable appetite and demand for drugs, there wouldn't be this violence issue. The idea that somehow cracking on supply is gonna solve the problem is absurd. If you really want to crack down on the violence, then you legalize Weed. That way you cut off the illegal supply of weed flowing from Mexico, which weed by far is the #1 drug imported into the US from Mexico. You cut this off, then you cut off their funding, and a good portion of their reason of existence. But go ahead, and keep blaming the boogeymen. The notion of legalizing weed to do away with the black market IMO is a farcical argument. You mean to tell me you legalize it, fold it under the control of the ATF and FDA or whatever other govt beaurocracy needs control, you then see huge tax levies slapped on it and a price jump of about 500% and that is going to do away with the black market? That's nuts. Heck there is still a big black market for booze for this Country, dating back to Prohibition and liquor is 500 times harder to produce and move around than weed. And truckloads of cigarettes, another product much harder to produce than weed, is the same deal. Im sorry, the idea that all these pot smokers and pot producers are gonna become good, little compliant taxpayers the second its complete decriminalized and govt. controlled is nuts, IMO. Edited February 19, 2012 by RkFast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Legalizing weed, and seeing its price jump 500% due to the tax levies put on it is going to do away with the black market. Yeah.........RIGHT. And in other news, there is no illegal tax free whiskey being made in the States, either. Even with taxes it would probably still be cheaper. It grows everywhere and has a short growing cycle. If it cost Company XYZ 50.00 per pound to produce, they could sell it for 100 bucks a pound, the government could tack on a 300.00 per pound tax, and it would still be below today's current market value. And let's not forget, if it were decriminalized, lots of people would grow their own for personal consumption. So yeah, in all likelihood most black market activities relative to pot would be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Even with taxes it would probably still be cheaper. It grows everywhere and has a short growing cycle. If it cost Company XYZ 50.00 per pound to produce, they could sell it for 100 bucks a pound, the government could tack on a 300.00 per pound tax, and it would still be below today's current market value. And let's not forget, if it were decriminalized, lots of people would grow their own for personal consumption. So yeah, in all likelihood most black market activities relative to pot would be gone. That is completely correct (in the idea if not the actual numbers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Even with taxes it would probably still be cheaper. It grows everywhere and has a short growing cycle. If it cost Company XYZ 50.00 per pound to produce, they could sell it for 100 bucks a pound, the government could tack on a 300.00 per pound tax, and it would still be below today's current market value. And let's not forget, if it were decriminalized, lots of people would grow their own for personal consumption. So yeah, in all likelihood most black market activities relative to pot would be gone. Awesome. And it would be so much easier to turn what would otherwise be productive citizens into catatonic losers. It is ridiculous that people who engage in something that is wrong, like smoking pot, constantly look for the government's approval as if that will make their loser activity into some kind of "normal" thing. Government label or not, their brains will still be fried and productive citizens load will be all the heavier. People who smoke pot should own it. They should not look for the government to tell them everything will be ok. If they feel guilty that there is a violent industry behind their joint and people are being exploited then own the guilt. Don't hope for some miracle from Washington to wipe away their guilt, just own it. Nobody is perfect. We all make mistakes and sometimes do things that are wrong. Just grow up and own up to it instead of blaming everyone else all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfatbillsfan Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 The notion of legalizing weed to do away with the black market IMO is a farcical argument. You mean to tell me you legalize it, fold it under the control of the ATF and FDA or whatever other govt beaurocracy needs control, you then see huge tax levies slapped on it and a price jump of about 500% and that is going to do away with the black market? That's nuts. Heck there is still a big black market for booze for this Country, dating back to Prohibition and liquor is 500 times harder to produce and move around than weed. And truckloads of cigarettes, another product much harder to produce than weed, is the same deal. Im sorry, the idea that all these pot smokers and pot producers are gonna become good, little compliant taxpayers the second its complete decriminalized and govt. controlled is nuts, IMO. Though I think you are correct about the fact that if we legalize things like Pot it won't get rid of the black market it will stil put a lid on most of the violence. There is still a market for illegal booze but we don't here news about people being being killed in booze wars in Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 The notion of legalizing weed to do away with the black market IMO is a farcical argument. You mean to tell me you legalize it, fold it under the control of the ATF and FDA or whatever other govt beaurocracy needs control, you then see huge tax levies slapped on it and a price jump of about 500% and that is going to do away with the black market? That's nuts. Heck there is still a big black market for booze for this Country, dating back to Prohibition and liquor is 500 times harder to produce and move around than weed. And truckloads of cigarettes, another product much harder to produce than weed, is the same deal. Im sorry, the idea that all these pot smokers and pot producers are gonna become good, little compliant taxpayers the second its complete decriminalized and govt. controlled is nuts, IMO. Listen, I know you have a hard time with understanding basic economics so i will cut you some slack. Here let me explain it to you in the simplest of terms. First off to your first point, which is a valid one, which is if you legalize weed it would see a 500% increase from what we are seeing today. Well that would be 100% without a doubt false and here is why. As it is right now, the cost of regular weed to produce to the market is already seeing well over a 2000% markup from producer to the end user, unless you are talking about local "regs". The reason for the markup is for a bevy of reasons. One is the risk, risk of criminal action is a huge driver of the cost. Transport, you think the **** is cheap to ship it across borders? How much do you think that could cost? What about profits? You have any idea how many middemen are involved? You have producer to distributor, to another distrubtor, to regional distrubutor, to local distributor, then it goes to retail sellers. The markup is extremely high. Now if it were to be legalized, there would be the cost to produce, taxes and then profits. Profit margins would shrink because we live in a capitalistic society, so competition would keep the margins in check, and then that leaves taxes. Taxes could be high, what is the tax level on alcohol? what about on cigarettes? Let's say you have a 500% tax, that still would leave the price of weed cheaper thanwhat you would see on the black market. So there goes your argument So if you want to effectively and rationally fight the war with the MExican gangs, you cut off their source of demand and their funding. And since we all know that many of us won't ever give up our weed, as we shouldn't have to, then the only logical answer is to legalize it. You legalize weed and then you cut a significant portion of what is driving the Mexican cartels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Though I think you are correct about the fact that if we legalize things like Pot it won't get rid of the black market it will stil put a lid on most of the violence. There is still a market for illegal booze but we don't here news about people being being killed in booze wars in Mexico. Then they'd just kill each other over something else. They'll make meth and hard drugs in more quantity, and send them north for people who want an even bigger high. It's like the dude who used to jerk off to his imagination, then when that doesn't get him anymore, uses the Sears catalog, then Victoria's secret, then Playboy, then hardcore, then pornos, then gonzo, then kiddie porn. Each step just leads to a higher threshold. Edited February 19, 2012 by UConn James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whateverdude Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Your point being? Druggy, unless you wants an army of Whitney Houstons running around that would not be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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