ieatcrayonz Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 As you know I live under a bridge which is usually a very good place to keep a low profile. In this case however it is one of those times where word gets around a small community quickly. I know someone who knows two of Irsay's daughters very well. My contact is reliable but I do not know Irsay's daughters. What I do know is that they like being around Hollywood types so I tend to believe the stories I'm hearing. Polian did not get dumped only because of the Manning thing alone. He got dumped for refusing to investigate all angles. Irsay wanted to pick up Manning's bonus as a show of thanks and good will. He wanted to then immediately trade Manning for a journeyman who could hold down the fort until Luck got good enough. Forever is a long time if you ask me, but I regress. There are 6 or 7 QBs who fit this scenario and you already guessed who one of them might be. Anyway, Irsay was quizzing Polian about the status and sensed Polian was lying to him. Although he was indeed trying to move Manning, he just faked it about actually speaking to the Bills about Fitz. Evidently he had all the details about Grossman, Orton, McCoy, Jackson, Moore, and Campbell/Palmer but was real thin about Fitz. As he drilled him it became clear that Polian's disdain for Wilson was still a major issue. Polian is also no fan of Nix but doesn't really hate him. Anyway the source says Irsay stormed from the meeting and was heard to say "We won't get fooled again....that's enough". When his daughter tried to calm him down Irsay said that Polian had made a trade for McCargo despite knowing about McCargo having a back back and also sucking. Polian did this to make sure Irsay would never deal with the Bills again but the whole thing backfired when Irsay found out. Fast forward to now and Irsay had had enough. He feels bad about the whole Manning thing but has to do what he has to do. Evidently he told one of his daughters "No one knows what its like to be the bad man, to be the sad man....". He is really depressed about the whole thing. He isn't 100% sure about the Manning/Fitz trade but wants to investigate it. He sees it as one of the top three scenarios. The fact that Polian got fired seems to back up all of these rumors/accounts of the behind the scenes goings on. Wow it would be cool to see Manning in Buffalo.
D521646 Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I don't buy this story for one second, sorry. Tim-
ieatcrayonz Posted February 13, 2012 Author Posted February 13, 2012 I don't buy this story for one second, sorry. Tim- Well I called it hearsay for a reason but I can tell you that a lot of the stuff I heard makes a lot of sense given the personalities involved.
D521646 Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Really? It makes sense for Buffalo to offload a 7-year $60 million contract for a *Huge* risk - Manning's 5-year $100 million contract? I know you prefaced it as hearsay, just sayin.. Tim-
ieatcrayonz Posted February 13, 2012 Author Posted February 13, 2012 Really? It makes sense for Buffalo to offload a 7-year $60 million contract for a *Huge* risk - Manning's 5-year $100 million contract? I know you prefaced it as hearsay, just sayin.. Tim- As I mentioned Irsay would pick up the big bonus which is due soon. Other than that I am just speculating that: Buffalo feels they are closer than they let on and Manning could put them over the top. Indy feels Fitz would be good for the community and help Luck; although IMO Luck could have Unitas helping him and he will still be a huge bust. Manning might be open to it as a way to maintain his rivalry with Brady and also have a fun loving rivalry with Eli. "The REAL New york team...." etc. Look, this is a long way from certain but my source does know two of the girls and you have to admit that the accounts all seem to make sense given the limited amount I know about the personalities. I doubt Manning himself knows and Archie may be a stumbling block but this could happen. If you think about the abrupt firing of Polian this makes a lot of sense. A lot of bosses put up with a lot of crap but lying/deceit is rarely tolerated.
Wayne Cubed Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 So for clarification, a straight up trade? Fitz for Manning? No draft picks?
tomdayfan Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 "Evidently he told one of his daughters "No one knows what its like to be the bad man, to be the sad man...." If Ralph was going to quote the Who, I hope his lyric of choice would be "won't get fooled again"
D521646 Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 As I mentioned Irsay would pick up the big bonus which is due soon. Other than that I am just speculating that: Buffalo feels they are closer than they let on and Manning could put them over the top. Indy feels Fitz would be good for the community and help Luck; although IMO Luck could have Unitas helping him and he will still be a huge bust. Manning might be open to it as a way to maintain his rivalry with Brady and also have a fun loving rivalry with Eli. "The REAL New york team...." etc. Look, this is a long way from certain but my source does know two of the girls and you have to admit that the accounts all seem to make sense given the limited amount I know about the personalities. I doubt Manning himself knows and Archie may be a stumbling block but this could happen. If you think about the abrupt firing of Polian this makes a lot of sense. A lot of bosses put up with a lot of crap but lying/deceit is rarely tolerated. So if my math is correct, that puts Manning to the Bills for 4-years left on his contract and the 4 year already paid by Irssay, and that leaves $60 million left on Manning contract the Bills would pick up in a straight up trade to Indy? Still not buying it, but if Manning is 80 - 90 100% come September I would seriously consider this trade? Not likely, hell not even remotely likely but hey ya never know I suppose? Tim-
ieatcrayonz Posted February 13, 2012 Author Posted February 13, 2012 So for clarification, a straight up trade? Fitz for Manning? No draft picks? All I hear is that they were looking into several options with several teams. I don't think it got that far really but yes a straight trade once Manning's bonus had been paid by Indy.
3rdnlng Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Ahhh.... Crayonz, reelin' 'em in! Crayonz, practicing heresy not hearsay.
thewildrabbit Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 So for clarification, a straight up trade? Fitz for Manning? No draft picks? Naa, Irsay wants to throw Dwight Freeny in the package with Manning because he is such a nice guy.
BarkLessWagMore Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Crayonz -- Who are you? I really want to know.
Bob in STL Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 As you know I live in Indiana which is usually a very good place to keep a low profile. In this case however it is one of those times where word gets around a small community quickly. I know someone who knows two of Irsay's daughters very well. My contact is reliable but I do not know Irsay's daughters. What I do know is that they like being around Hollywood types so I tend to believe the stories I'm hearing. Polian did not get dumped only because of the Manning thing alone. He got dumped for refusing to investigate all angles. Irsay wanted to pick up Manning's bonus as a show of thanks and good will. He wanted to then immediately trade Manning for a journeyman who could hold down the fort until Luck got good enough. Forever is a long time if you ask me, but I regress. There are 6 or 7 QBs who fit this scenario and you already guessed who one of them might be. Anyway, Irsay was quizzing Polian about the status and sensed Polian was lying to him. Although he was indeed trying to move Manning, he just faked it about actually speaking to the Bills about Fitz. Evidently he had all the details about Grossman, Orton, McCoy, Jackson, Moore, and Campbell/Palmer but was real thin about Fitz. As he drilled him it became clear that Polian's disdain for Wilson was still a major issue. Polian is also no fan of Nix but doesn't really hate him. Anyway the source says Irsay stormed from the meeting and was heard to say "We won't get fooled again....that's enough". When his daughter tried to calm him down Irsay said that Polian had made a trade for McCargo despite knowing about McCargo having a back back and also sucking. Polian did this to make sure Irsay would never deal with the Bills again but the whole thing backfired when Irsay found out. Fast forward to now and Irsay had had enough. He feels bad about the whole Manning thing but has to do what he has to do. Evidently he told one of his daughters "No one knows what its like to be the bad man, to be the sad man....". He is really depressed about the whole thing. He isn't 100% sure about the Manning/Fitz trade but wants to investigate it. He sees it as one of the top three scenarios. The fact that Polian got fired seems to back up all of these rumors/accounts of the behind the scenes goings on. Wow it would be cool to see Manning in Buffalo. Sure, Polian purposely traded for a crappy and injured McCargo just so Irsay would get mad at Ralph Wilson and then agree to NEVER trade Manning to Buffalo. Makes sense. Stay tuned tomorrow for "As The World Turns" with special guests, Pete Townsend and Roger Daltry.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Oh and btw, there is a BIG stipulation with Mannings contract that you left out and that he has a no trade clause. In this scenerio if he would get traded Manning dictates where he wants to go NOT Polian or Irsay. Buffalo wouldn't be one of the teams he would want to play football for in hopes of another title before he retires. Edited February 13, 2012 by BuffaloBillsForever
ieatcrayonz Posted February 13, 2012 Author Posted February 13, 2012 Sure, Polian purposely traded for a crappy and injured McCargo just so Irsay would get mad at Ralph Wilson and then agree to NEVER trade Manning to Buffalo. Makes sense. Stay tuned tomorrow for "As The World Turns" with special guests, Pete Townsend and Roger Daltry. That is not what I said and I'm not sure how you got that. The McCargo thing was to sour Irsay on the Bills in general. there is no way anyone would have been able to see the Manning thing coming. Polian was trying to refrain from dealing with the Bills in ANY scenario,not just this specific one. Oh and btw, there is a BIG stipulation with Mannings contract that you left out and that he has a no trade clause. In this scenerio if he would get traded Manning dictates where he wants to go NOT Polian or Irsay. Buffalo wouldn't be one of the teams he would want to play football for in hopes of another title before he retires. Look, I don't know all the details and you could be right. All I know is what the Irsay girls said. It is probably just the front office trying to create options knowing full well that Manning has a say. With that as a given though The Bills do have a lot of pieces in place and Manning himself could probably attract one or two free agents like Mario Williams. He would have 2 games a year versus Brady and could rib his brother about playing in New Jersey. I don't know that any other team provides that opportunity.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Sure, Polian purposely traded for a crappy and injured McCargo just so Irsay would get mad at Ralph Wilson and then agree to NEVER trade Manning to Buffalo. Makes sense. Stay tuned tomorrow for "As The World Turns" with special guests, Pete Townsend and Roger Daltry. The decision of a Manning trade revolves around Manning himself. For there to be any discussion of a possible trade he would have to be willing to go to that team first. Polian wouldn't have to deal with Buffalo for manning because I'm sure he wouldn't waive his no trade clause to come here.
Marv's Neighbor Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Irsay Sr. was a nutcase and the acorn apparently didn't fall far from the tree.
BillsFanM.D. Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Ahhh.... Crayonz, reelin' 'em in! this stuff is gold....
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