Danny Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 The cap # is the biggest ? for me. Can anyone who understands how the cap works answer this; COULD the Bills, (provided we could get the guys to sign for these amts) do the following and stay under the cap: Sign SJ at $8 mil/yr Sign VJJ at $10 mil/yr Sign M Williams at $15 mil/yr Sign Chandler at $4 mil/yr Sign Bell at $5 mil/yr Extend FJ at $5 mil/yr Sign our draft picks Is this even possible? Let me put it this way.. its possible. But the Bills cant because they are in a cash to cap system (like most other teams). If they were willing to say "to hell with it" then technically they could. It would get tricky in a couple years because theyd constantly be trying to circumvent the salary cap. Sorry if that sounded confusing but i dont want my stalker to show up on this thread and try to twist what im trying to say.
stony Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 The cap # is the biggest ? for me. Can anyone who understands how the cap works answer this; COULD the Bills, (provided we could get the guys to sign for these amts) do the following and stay under the cap: Sign SJ at $8 mil/yr Sign VJJ at $10 mil/yr Sign M Williams at $15 mil/yr Sign Chandler at $4 mil/yr Sign Bell at $5 mil/yr Extend FJ at $5 mil/yr Sign our draft picks Is this even possible? Yes, for teams that are creative w/ the cap and string out bonuses throughout the life of the contract. For the Bills, who have a cash to the cap policy and don't string out bonuses, no.
NoSaint Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Yes, for teams that are creative w/ the cap and string out bonuses throughout the life of the contract. For the Bills, who have a cash to the cap policy and don't string out bonuses, no. Amortizing signing bonuses counts as creative? On the flip side we don't have dollars from all our signing bonuses in previous years taking up space today Edited February 12, 2012 by NoSaint
K-9 Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 Amortizing signing bonuses counts as creative? On the flip side we don't have dollars from all our signing bonuses in previous years taking up space today It's ironic to me that the entire NFL will no longer be able to use amortized bonus amounts as part of the 89% mandate set to kick in in 2013. The entire league must be at that number in "actual cash" spent or the NFL pays the difference to the players. The NFL will be 89% cash-to-cap. The Bills, Steelers, Packers, Chiefs, and many others were ahead of their time apparently. GO BILLS!!!
nucci Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 Yes, for teams that are creative w/ the cap and string out bonuses throughout the life of the contract. For the Bills, who have a cash to the cap policy and don't string out bonuses, no. Remember how well that worked when John Butler was in charge in the mid to late '90s? As stated by many here, there is a large number teams that use this system. It prevents teams from having dead money and paying millions to players cut years ago.
stony Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Amortizing signing bonuses counts as creative? On the flip side we don't have dollars from all our signing bonuses in previous years taking up space today I never said signing bonuses. There's a multitude of other bonuses that go into a contract that can be smartly/creatively spaced out throughout the life of the contract. The Bills choose not to do this whether it's the right or wrong approach. Edited February 12, 2012 by stony
nucci Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 I never said signing bonuses. There's a multitude of other bonuses that go into a contract that can be smartly/creatively spaced out throughout the life of the contract. The Bills choose not to do this. How do you know this? Most players have other bonuses built in to their contracts for awards, yards gained...etc. It's the signing bonus that matters most in regards to the salary cap.
NoSaint Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I never said signing bonuses. There's a multitude of other bonuses that go into a contract that can be smartly/creatively spaced out throughout the life of the contract. The Bills choose not to do this whether it's the right or wrong approach. Actually signing bonuses are the only ones that apply to this discussion to my knowledge. The bills use roster bonuses so they hit in one year instead of spread trough the first 5 as a signing bonus will. The bills use all other types that I know of. Do you have any examples of what you are talking about?
Dorkington Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I'm highly suspect of any rumor where a big name free agent comes to Buffalo. This is the place for players to go when they have little to no other choices.
stony Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Actually signing bonuses are the only ones that apply to this discussion to my knowledge. The bills use roster bonuses so they hit in one year instead of spread trough the first 5 as a signing bonus will. The bills use all other types that I know of. Do you have any examples of what you are talking about? Specifically, no. I'm going off an interview I listened to when Jerry Sullivan (go figure) was lamenting the lack of skills the Bill's bean counters display when it comes to negotiating contracts.
NoSaint Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Specifically, no. I'm going off an interview I listened to when Jerry Sullivan (go figure) was lamenting the lack of skills the Bill's bean counters display when it comes to negotiating contracts. I think there may have been a misstep in what he said, or possibly a misunderstanding on what you heard. I don't mean that to sound bad from my end, but I don't think what you are implying actually exists. Other than signing bonuses, the is no other bonus that effects cash to cap differently than the rest. The bigger thing with those "creative contracts" is having a player that really wants to be with the team and in turn accepts less desirable structures from their end. Im sure the bean counters would love to turn the tables but right now free agents have the power in our negotiations as we aren't a prime destination. Simply put - players aren't taking less to come to buffalo.
Danny Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Would incentives be considered a type of bonus?
NoSaint Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Would incentives be considered a type of bonus? It really wouldn't effect the discussion at hand, beyond a player is less likely to take them to come here. We use them though, and they count in the year earned just like any bonus other than signing.
loserlovers Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 First WR in Bills history to record back to back 1000 yd receiving seasons and you guys are still not considering him a number 1 WR? Lay down the crack pipe yall. He's been our best WR since Reed. He's even put up similar numbers as Jackson in his last 2 complete seasons. And Jackson played with a better QB. Yet Jackson is a number 1 and Stevie's not? You guys make me laugh. HA !!!!!! AND YES I'M BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! best since reed????? jeeesh i guess you missed about 7 years and a guy named moulds, i dont get why we annoint a guy as great and a number 1, just because hes the best "we" have. Stevie isnt better than any of the three guys in NY. He isnt better than about 30 other WR's but now hes better than an all-time great??? i guess if u just read one stat he is. How bout lost game do to big drops and idiot penalties? is that a stat?
ganesh Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I disagree. We could easily sign both. The Bills will need to make a splash at one position in FA to sell some tickets (and improve as a team) WR is the best place to do that. The real problem could be keeping both happy and would Stevie be willing to accept a #2 spot. I personally would go after a Manningham or Meachom and try to sign a big time DB like Finneagan. Draft pass rushers and a deep threat wr. And who will be your LT ?
12Kachy Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 The Bills are interested in any Charger (Nix) and Georgia Tech (Gailey) player. Jackson is likely SJ replacement.
KevinMassare Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 The Bills are interested in any Charger (Nix) and Georgia Tech (Gailey) player. Jackson is likely SJ replacement. Yes. Very true.
BobChalmers Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 And who will be your LT ? The best/healthiest of the following: Hairston, plus maybe Bell, plus one guy they get when they think they see value in rounds 2-4.
BigBuff423 Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I would like to see VJ here as well, but feel we need to get Defensive help before we spend big on a WR...that doesn't mean I don't think we need to add a veteran WR, but pony up the dollars to a DE AND OLB, then add a WR based upon whatever your Cash-to-Cap budget allows, because there are other good WRs available that won't command the type of money VJax or Bowe will and can substantially add to our offense, Garcon for one and I know he's been mentioned before so that's nothing new, just stating he's an example of how the Offensive need can be addressed without breaking the bank before we get the Defensive needs addressed...
BobChalmers Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 The Bills are interested in any Charger (Nix) and Georgia Tech (Gailey) player. Jackson is likely SJ replacement. OMG PEOPLE. Nix was explicit about this - he's trying to re-sign SJ AND bring in a 2nd big WR. He explicitly was asked what if they lose SJ, and he explicitly said "THEN WE NEED TO ADD TWO." He'd have to have been straight-up lying to plan what you suggest, and regardless of what you think of his character - THERE IS NO VALUE TO HIM LYING NOW and then being called out and disappointing the fan base BEFORE the ticket sales period. It's pretty obvious they want to resign Stevie and add a guy like VJ - maybe they can't pull it off (although there are a lot of good FA WR's out there so I think they can) - but it's clearly their plan.
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