cage Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 As someone who wanted Cody, let's not pretend like everyone here wanted him. He was in awful shape and conditioning was a major issue. You also have to consider the team he went to. As someone said about Gronk, teams like the PAts and Ravens can take those risks. Search the Cody threads and you will see I was pimping for him hard and getting shot down. But there's a ton of hindsight now. There were no injury concerns on Troup and he was part fo a top 5 run defense in college. Dude got hurt and it hasn't worked out yet. It happens. I will say that I recall the discussion on this board leading up that draft and there WAS a huge amount support for drafting Cody. And even afterwards, many were surprised that the Bills picked Troup over Cody... that was certainly an immediate reaction on the board
cage Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Oh so a college kid smokes some weed and the Bills decide not to draft a pretty much guaranteed stud at TE in the 4th round over a guy that walked on to a nothing football program like UCONN. Genius decision making. Too many people in this discussion lose track of where the Bills were at the time as well... from the TE perspective, they thought they had drafted a huge "steal" in Shawn Nelson (the previous year). He was our 4th rounder in 2009, who was thought to be the down-field threat that we've been waiting for and just going into his 2nd year. Every choice they make in the draft has to be based on where the team is at the time and looking back on it a couple years later we totally loose that context.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Where are you Ryan? Can someone post a link showing that Troup had back problems going into the draft? Does anyone have anything that talks about or even mentions Troup having back problems in college? Everything I have found makes no mentions of a history with injuries in college TBD myth Troup had no injury issues going into the draft. You've written this multiple times, and every time its still untrue. Ryan, this is the 3rd time I've called you out on this (bolded). When are you gonna actually cite a link which shows that Troup had back problems in college? You seem quite adamant that this is the case so please show me the documentation that no one else seems to be able to find. Also Carey Bender commented on your continual insistence in perpetuating some rumor that Troup had back problems in college. Please post the links showing his college back problems or stop posting falsehoods. Edited February 9, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan
Trader Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 THANK YOU!! ... my whole point in this thread has been to back up that the criticism of the Team (Nix) for not taking Growkowski should be viewed differently in light of Polian's statement. And I'll acknowledge that I've wrongly blasted him on TBD for that as well. Didn't the Bills draft Thurman Thomas in the second round during Polian's regime? I do recall that the entire league passed on Thurman in the First round because of his knee injury. I think that the seond round is an ideal place to take a player who would have been a first rounder but for an injury that is now healed. Actually the Bills did fairly well with Thurman on their roster as have the Pats with Gronk.
cage Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Didn't the Bills draft Thurman Thomas in the second round during Polian's regime? I do recall that the entire league passed on Thurman in the First round because of his knee injury. I think that the seond round is an ideal place to take a player who would have been a first rounder but for an injury that is now healed. Actually the Bills did fairly well with Thurman on their roster as have the Pats with Gronk. Sure they did take that chance it certainly paid off w/ Thurman, but I'm sure there are other examples of teams that took a shot on an injured player that didn't work out. Each Front Office needs to make its own call on a given player based on the specific injury, their doctor's opinion on the injury and team needs. In this case, they certainly were focused on need with NT position and they had drafted Shawn Nelson the year before, who was considered a "steal" at the time. So passing on this one can be understandable... In the discussion on this topic, we're all often frustrated w/ the Bills, we're all disappointed in Troup to date. There's lots of things that front office can be criticized for, but it seems, in light of Polian's comments that selecting Troup over Gronkowski perhaps shouldn't be one of them. Edited February 9, 2012 by cage
ieatcrayonz Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Right now in New England there is a huge controversy over Gronk dancing shirtless after the Pats lost the Super Bowl. Couple that with the fact that he caused a pick, blew it big time on the Hail Mary and they already have Aaron Gonzalez and we may be looking at a young star on the trading block. We also know the Pats love stockpiling future picks. Gronk is from Buffalo. Do you think we'd give a 2nd plus a 2013 2nd?
jjmac Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 No. I don't have any great football reasons for that other than I want to spend our 1st and 2nd picks on defense.
Beerball Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Well, I took the original comment about troupe not as a sign that he was a reach but that writers were undervaluing him - you know- the you don't find guys that talented and hardworking in the midrounds. But it seems your pretty well on a war path here. Obviously troupe hasn't been great but he was healthy and motivated - two of the hardest things to find in a NT his size, and athletically talented. I personally liked Cody more if going for an anchor NT. The pick has missed so far. He's also a young guy, from a small school with a few injuries and a jacked up lockout during one offseason- I havent totally written him off yet as a rotational guy. A second round guy isn't typically a guy that steps in and dominates from day 1. Hopefully he progresses. We're well beyond the quote. I read it one way, you read it another, that's perfectly fine. The 'problem' I do have is someone twisting my words and at the same time defending a pick that has proven to be ill advised.
T master Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 After his out put this season the pats would sooner trade Brady than Gronk , he is going to stay a Patriot & no i wouldn't give up our second for him !!! Just b/c your dreaming !!
apuszczalowski Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 You understand what works and what doesn't, but if you consider that an insult then you need thicker skin. You twisted what I wrote to your needs and you've done it again here. Whatever gives you your jollies. As far as Troup is concerned...he was the 41st pick in the draft. If it makes you feel better, a NT chosen after Troup who has outperformed him is Kellen Heard. What's next? I apologise, I didn't understand that "Goderators" can determine what insults were appropriate to throw around here and which ones weren't. I thought I knew better. I didn't twist any of your words Wow, you provided a list of 1 player, thanks. I wasn't trying to get your panties in a bunch. You said you could provide a list of players that produced more after him. I asked you to provide the list but shorten it to just NT's, the same position as the player the Bills chose at that position....
ieatcrayonz Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Too much of an injury risk, PASS. I realize we are probably saving our 4th to trade for Casey Matthews, but we have two fourths. What about a fourth this year and a 2nd next year?
PaattMaann Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 you are seriously stupid if you think the patriots would even slightly consider trading Gronkowski....for a 2nd round pick none the less....get real or lay off the crayonz
Wooderson Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Right now in New England there is a huge controversy over Gronk dancing shirtless after the Pats lost the Super Bowl. Couple that with the fact that he caused a pick, blew it big time on the Hail Mary and they already have Aaron Gonzalez and we may be looking at a young star on the trading block. We also know the Pats love stockpiling future picks. Gronk is from Buffalo. Do you think we'd give a 2nd plus a 2013 2nd? The guy is a bum. I wouldn't give away a 7th for him.
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PaattMaann Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 This thread brought to you by ieatcrayonz! "He's taking new Members every day!" I never understood the expression dollars to donuts...please explain....
ieatcrayonz Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 you are seriously stupid if you think the patriots would even slightly consider trading Gronkowski....for a 2nd round pick none the less....get real or lay off the crayonz I realize they will probably give him a second chance because he had a good season, but: 1. Bringing Porno chick into locker room 2. Failing to fight for the ball at a big moment in the biggest game. 3. Whiffing on a perfectly executed Hail Mary designed for him 4. Wild naked celebration after losing the Super Bowl 5. Rodney Harrison, known mouthpiece for Capri Sun Kraft gives radio interview SLAMMING Gronk for his shirtless post-loss partying but leaves Matt Light alone. That is a signal being sent to shape up or ship out. This is tipped off by leaving Light alone. 6. They clearly need more of a deep threat and with A. Gonzalez already in place they are set at TE. They can get someone better than Ochocinco with a 2nd. They transform their "O" a little bit every year. Like I said; probably not, but far from impossible. I never understood the expression dollars to donuts...please explain.... It used to mean something.....I'd bet dollars to donuts was about a 9-1 bet because donuts cost a dime or so. Now donuts cost more than a dollar so the worm has turned.
Erik Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 It used to mean something.....I'd bet dollars to donuts was about a 9-1 bet because donuts cost a dime or so. Now donuts cost more than a dollar so the worm has turned. Now that was brilliant.
Mr. WEO Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Let's offer them Troup straight up. We won't need a (slow, soft, underweight) NT this year anyway. Everyone wins, right?
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