Best Player Available Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Don't doubt the power of the NFL to influence its coverage. The reason no one talks about Spygate is not because no one cares. The NFL made it go away really fast and no one bothered to dig very deep out of fear of jeopardizing their access to the league. The way the NFL swept it under the rug suggests to me that the truth would be at the least embarrassing and at the worst damaging to the NFL. So much of the leagues appeal is tied to gambling. If it ever came out that there was rampant cheating or rigging of games it would be devastating. PTR I hear ya. I can't wait for the movie! Tom Cruise as the young hoody would work.
NoSaint Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Don't doubt the power of the NFL to influence its coverage. The reason no one talks about Spygate is not because no one cares. The NFL made it go away really fast and no one bothered to dig very deep out of fear of jeopardizing their access to the league. The way the NFL swept it under the rug suggests to me that the truth would be at the least embarrassing and at the worst damaging to the NFL. So much of the leagues appeal is tied to gambling. If it ever came out that there was rampant cheating or rigging of games it would be devastating. PTR I don't buy the rigging but I'll say every possible cheating chance is exploited by someone. My guess is much like tampering you can't make it a big story because a lot of people do it and they look the other way without complaints being filed.
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Don't doubt the power of the NFL to influence its coverage. The reason no one talks about Spygate is not because no one cares. The NFL made it go away really fast and no one bothered to dig very deep out of fear of jeopardizing their access to the league. The way the NFL swept it under the rug suggests to me that the truth would be at the least embarrassing and at the worst damaging to the NFL. So much of the leagues appeal is tied to gambling. If it ever came out that there was rampant cheating or rigging of games it would be devastating. PTR $750,000 in fines and their first pick? Do you think at all, or just put your fist through doors?
PromoTheRobot Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) $750,000 in fines and their first pick? Do you think at all, or just put your fist through doors? Was anything significant ever revealed about what happened anything beyond the fines and penalties? Oh and the NFL destroyed the evidence almost immediately. Move along. Nothing to see here. PTR Edited February 7, 2012 by PromoTheRobot
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 The supposed “Defensive Genius” has proven to NOT be a genius!!! Maybe he should retire the hoodie. The "luck" has worn off of it.
Ramius Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) if there was nothing to see, the NFL wouldn't have needed to destroy the tapes so quickly without ever letting them see the light of day. That simple action gives away the guilt. That being said, the pats* downfall had a lot to do with terrible drafting and their arrogance catching up to them. Think they might have been better with Richard Seymour? Edited February 7, 2012 by Ramius
NoSaint Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 if there was nothing to see, the NFL wouldn't have needed to destroy the tapes so quickly without ever letting them see the light of day. That simple action gives away the guilt. That being said, the pats* downfall had a lot to do with terrible drafting and their arrogance catching up to them. Think they might have been better with Richard Seymour? Which investigation did the NFL release anything after? I don't remember any documentation formally released after any punishment. Do they show phone records after a tampering case? They pretty much followed standard protocol
RealityCheck Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Before the Spygate events of 2007, the Pats were 12 - 2 in the playoffs, including three wins off the foot of Vinateri (no, Brady did not win them any of their Super Bowls, their kicker did). Since Spygate, they are 4 - 4 and 0 - 2 in the Super Bowl. Maybe the taping controversy has more teeth than expected, since, if anyone remember SB 39, the Pats were very cavalier in their approach to the game and seemed to know what the Eagles would do even before the Eagles did it. I sincerely believe Spygate helped them in their early success during this run. Now that they can't do it and were exposed, their post season record is much more pedestrian and their Super Bowl record is down right abysmal. Any thoughts? By your logic they should have traded Brady a long time ago and just kept Vinateri.
Rob's House Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 By your logic they should have traded Brady a long time ago and just kept Vinateri. You can make a pretty strong argument that kickers & a blown tuck rule call were the difference between Brady's success & Manning's failures during the playoffs in the first half of the last decade.
RevWarRifleman Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 I remember watching the Pats D and thinking their players had ESP. It was uncanny how they almost seem to know what was coming. Now we know why. In baseball you can legally steal signs by what you can see. The minute you start using cameras or recording equipment you are cheating. That's what I think the Pats did. PTR Ditto. And it's consistant w/ Bellicheat's character too.
NoSaint Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 You can make a pretty strong argument that kickers & a blown tuck rule call were the difference between Brady's success & Manning's failures during the playoffs in the first half of the last decade. As opposed to any other superbowl team?
Rob's House Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 As opposed to any other superbowl team? Are you saying that every super owl team is there because the other team's kicker missed the key FG? Are you further saying that it is perfectly logical to judge QB play by the kicker's accuracy? WTF are you saying?
st pete gogolak Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 The Eagles ' D was swearing up and down when Spygate came out that it impacted that SB game--anyone else remember how the Pats* always called a screen at the right time in that game, almost like they knew what was coming? That's all I needed to see to determine how big a bunch of cheaters the Pats* are.... Speaking of always knowing when to call a screen, does anyone remember the home game against the Pats during the 2002 season (Gregg Williams' second year, we finished 8-8, Pats coming off first Super Bowl win finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs)? I sat there watching and said it was absolutey uncanny that the Pats knew exactly when to call a screen. They killed us with screens all day long. That game was also the infamous punt Williams called from the Pats' 32 yard line.
NoSaint Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Are you saying that every super owl team is there because the other team's kicker missed the key FG? Are you further saying that it is perfectly logical to judge QB play by the kicker's accuracy? WTF are you saying? That during a 3-4 game playoff stretch almost every team gets lucky breaks to win it all. Skill keeps you winning and in all the games but almost any run has that "moment" Edited February 7, 2012 by NoSaint
Rob's House Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 That during a 3-4 game playoff stretch almost every team gets lucky breaks to win it all. No ****. And during the early 2000s Brady caught a lot of breaks & had his kicker come through like money, while Peyton Manning's kicker hung him out to dry. The only real point is that SBs aren't necessarily all that great for judging QBs.
NoSaint Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 No ****. And during the early 2000s Brady caught a lot of breaks & had his kicker come through like money, while Peyton Manning's kicker hung him out to dry. The only real point is that SBs aren't necessarily all that great for judging QBs. I think it's a good starting off point, as you have to be damn good to be in and win all the games to get there even if luck plays a role but I agree that way too much of a legacy often falls on one night or even one or two throws if that's all you use.
Mr. WEO Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 What I've learned about Pats performances in Super Bowls: it pretty much always comes down to the last minute. At that point, it's 50-50. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. Nothing more, nothing less. I wouldn't read too much into it. The record is more or less irrelevant when measured against this basic fact. A couple of freaky plays by the Giants (Bradshaw's fumble being recovered by the G-Men; the Tyree catch) put them over the top; a couple of games in which their opponents didn't make such plays at the end (or in which the Pats had the ball last with a tie). The spygate stuff is completely and wildly overblown. I remember Jimmy Johnson saying that every team tried to look for the same sort of edge before every big game. The coaches would do whatever it took. I know the spygate plays perfectly into the good guy/bad guy narrative, but come on. Since Spygate, the Pats are 64-16 in the regular season. I mean, take off the blinders and give 'em their due. Great post. Good luck debating this with these guys. They like to keep things simple... No ****. And during the early 2000s Brady caught a lot of breaks & had his kicker come through like money, while Peyton Manning's kicker hung him out to dry. The only real point is that SBs aren't necessarily all that great for judging QBs. Who is Manning's kicker...?
NoSaint Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Great post. Good luck debating this with these guys. They like to keep things simple... Who is Manning's kicker...? Yea - they've been insane. And they've had late leads in superbowls twice.
bills44 Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 My condolences on the loss, WEO. Glad to see that you weren't rioting at UMass.
Ramius Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Great post. Good luck debating this with these guys. They like to keep things simple... Who is Manning's kicker...? Awwww, someone is all burned up because their beloved team lost yet another super bowl.
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