KRC Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 For Andre, there's always the dreaded Veteran's Committee. Of course, this year they denied Dick Stanfel, which I think is the first one I remember that didn't get in. Claude Humphrey in 2009 and Marshall Goldberg in 2008.
BillsFanNC Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 As near as I can tell if Norwood's kick is a few feet to the left Reed is in a few years ago. Ridiculous.
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Seems like Reed will never get in ahead of Brown and Carter. And how does Parcells not get in?
NoSaint Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) If Chris Carter and Andre Reed can't get in ahead of Doleman, Kennedy or Martin then they will never make it. Chris Doleman especially. Come on. I'd say especially Cortez. Doleman is very underrated here. Yes, this I do not understand. Haley was more of a difference maker, character issues are keeping him out. While I disagree with Doleman & Kennedy, the Super Bowl rings are irrelevant. A Super Bowl is a team effort, one player does not win a Super Bowl. Were talking candidate for the hall of crazy. Though a great player, his stories with the niners are unreal. Google it if you aren't totally familiar. It's not right to keep him out on media relations but dear lord he was out there not just in left field but beyond the bleachers, other side of the parking lot and in the hobo camp by the train station with regards to his behavior. He deserves to be in but.... Wow. Obviously nsfw, but an example: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/08/charles-haley-would-like-you-to-watch-him-masturbate.html Edited February 5, 2012 by NoSaint
dhg Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Jack Butler Dermonte Dawson Chris Doleman Cortez Kennedy Curtis Martin Willie Roaf Not saying he deserves it, but iIf Willie Roaf got in, wouldn't that mean that Reuben Brown should get in eventually too? Very comparable careers. What a shame that NONE of the WR got in, especially Andre. Only 6 went in and they could have had a 7th but chose not to. WTF?
RevWarRifleman Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 As near as I can tell if Norwood's kick is a few feet to the left Reed is in a few years ago. Ridiculous. Amen brother.
Danny Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 It is a shame the Michael Irvin made it in a couple of years ago. Sure he was on three teams that won the super bowl, but Carter, Brown, and Reed would have too had they played on those Dallas teams. I give Micheal Irvin credit for going OFF on NFL Gameday about the politics that go on in the selection process. While the other guys looked a bit uncomfortable and even tried to lighten the mood by laughing - Irvin said "We gotta stop this maddness... and these guys played with courage! They've taken courage out of the National Football League! Tim Brown, Chris Carter, Andre Reed - they played with courage!" He also talked about how Charles Haley wasn't in and made the valid point that if any QB had five Super Bowl rings they would be in the HoF right away. They also touched on how there is a maximum of seven inductees allowed per year yet at times like this year they only let in six. (vote percentages) It does seem like a waste... and before anyone argues that rule is to prevent only the best making it in- keep in mind the politics involved. As Irvin points out; if one guy sees the player he wants in not getting the votes he may not vote for someone else's "guy" out of spite more than anything else. Its deplorable but human nature. I read everyone's comments and i see people slamming other deserving inductees because they are angry Reed or someone else wasn't chosen. This is the stuff im sure happens to keep players like Andre out. I just think the whole thing is sad.
Bob in STL Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Jack Butler Dermonte Dawson Chris Doleman Cortez Kennedy Curtis Martin Willie Roaf You have the gift of hindsight and you are a GM knowing what each player will accomplish in their careers. Let say all of these players, including Reed, are on the board in this years NFL draft. Its your pick, who do you take? I cannot believe that Reed did not get in given this class of players. Kennedy and Doleman ... Really? Curtis Martin before Reed? Wow.
T master Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 I'll start off by saying it blows that Andre didn't make it in the HOF again this year & i for one think there needs to be a change to how they choose players & how many go in each year . There needs to be more than just 5 a year because of all the great players that should already be in that aren't . Why don't they have one player per position like one O line , one D line , LB , Safety , CB , RB , WR , TE , QB , ST .. per year & then choose the best from that crop that way no one position gets left out .. There are so many players like the 3 WR's this year that should be in the hall that way at least one would go & by now because he shouldn't have been passed over this many times for what he did in his career Andre would be in & not passed over because they couldn't decide who to go with because there was 3 ??? Something needs to be done to change the voting on this HOF thing , cause like i read in a article earlier when Andre retired he was #2 in all time receptions behind Jerry Rice but now because they waited so long he is farther down that list so COME ON MAN getAndre in there and the others that belong !!!
BuffaloBillsSD Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 I think your idea is a little extreme, instead make the votes public and that way people voting against Reed, Carter, and Brown will have to defend their decision.
first_and_ten Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Curtis Martin? I guess stats are the key ingredient. I can close my eyes and see OJ, Sanders, Sayers, Smith etc. running the ball. I can't for the life of me conger up an immage of Curtis Martin. He wasn't a game changer (IMO) and he doesn't belong. For him to make it as the only 'skill' offensive player does not work for me. IMO Brown, Reed and Carter are each more deserving. Totally agree
dhg Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 You have the gift of hindsight and you are a GM knowing what each player will accomplish in their careers. Let say all of these players, including Reed, are on the board in this years NFL draft. Its your pick, who do you take? I cannot believe that Reed did not get in given this class of players. Kennedy and Doleman ... Really? Curtis Martin before Reed? Wow. Totaly agree. C Martin was also first ballot. Didn't Thurman have to wait a year to get in?
Dragonborn10 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 2013 -- guard Larry Allen, defensive end Michael Strahan, left tackle Jonathan Ogden, defensive tackle Warren Sapp, quarterback Steve McNair, safety John Lynch, defensive tackle Bryant Young, kicker Morten Andersen. 2014 -- linebacker Derrick Brooks, wideout Marvin Harrison, coaches Tony Dungy and Mike Holmgren, running back Shaun Alexander, and safety Rodney Harrison. 2015 -- left tackles Walter Jones and Orlando Pace, linebacker Junior Seau, quarterback Kurt Warner, cornerback Ty Law, , and running back Edgerrin James. These are the names of the eligible players coming soon... Allen, Ogden, and Sapp seem all but certain to make it(McNair has the sympathy vote too). Brooks is the only guy from 2014 that IMO is a shoe in. Yes Dungy and Harrison are possibilities. But Dungy may coach again and just like Parcells the HOF voters will wait to see. In 2015 Jones, Pace, and Seau are locks. That leaves only 2 spots for next year for Haley, Parcells, and the three WR's Reed, Brown, and Carter to battle it our. I just can't see Reed making it. Maybe 2014 if they look and say Harrison was more a product of Peyton Manning than he was himself a talent(also that whole shooting in Philadelphia may go against him). Reed has a better chance of getting in by the NFL increasing the number per year to six or seven than he does competing against these eligible candidates.
Beerball Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 I'd say especially Cortez. Doleman is very underrated here. Were talking candidate for the hall of crazy. Though a great player, his stories with the niners are unreal. Google it if you aren't totally familiar. It's not right to keep him out on media relations but dear lord he was out there not just in left field but beyond the bleachers, other side of the parking lot and in the hobo camp by the train station with regards to his behavior. He deserves to be in but.... Wow. Obviously nsfw, but an example: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/08/charles-haley-would-like-you-to-watch-him-masturbate.html From 2010
Rico Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Clearly you don't know the stories about Joe horn sleeping with Willie roafs wife for an extended period before Willie finding out and flying off the deepens on ol Joe. Wasn't a good situation or a choice made based on talent. Willie was leaving, just a matter of if he was going to jail for killing his "teammate" in the process. No I didn't know that... I guess Joe Horn will not be inducting him. Someone needs to explain to me how Art Monk is in the HOF and Reed, Carter, and Brown are not? This is total BS. Cortez Kennedy? I was shocked he even made it to to the final ten let alone gets enshrined. Doleman? You have got to be kidding. Martin has the numbers but he could have waited a few years. Roaf and Dawson are worthy. I can't see Reed ever making it now. Art Monk = Cris Carter with rings. Neither are worthy IMO, but I agree it is totally ridiculous that Monk is in & Andre is not.
bbb Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 2013 -- guard Larry Allen, defensive end Michael Strahan, left tackle Jonathan Ogden, defensive tackle Warren Sapp, quarterback Steve McNair, safety John Lynch, defensive tackle Bryant Young, kicker Morten Andersen. 2014 -- linebacker Derrick Brooks, wideout Marvin Harrison, coaches Tony Dungy and Mike Holmgren, running back Shaun Alexander, and safety Rodney Harrison. 2015 -- left tackles Walter Jones and Orlando Pace, linebacker Junior Seau, quarterback Kurt Warner, cornerback Ty Law, , and running back Edgerrin James. These are the names of the eligible players coming soon... Allen, Ogden, and Sapp seem all but certain to make it(McNair has the sympathy vote too). Brooks is the only guy from 2014 that IMO is a shoe in. Yes Dungy and Harrison are possibilities. But Dungy may coach again and just like Parcells the HOF voters will wait to see. In 2015 Jones, Pace, and Seau are locks. That leaves only 2 spots for next year for Haley, Parcells, and the three WR's Reed, Brown, and Carter to battle it our. I just can't see Reed making it. Maybe 2014 if they look and say Harrison was more a product of Peyton Manning than he was himself a talent(also that whole shooting in Philadelphia may go against him). Reed has a better chance of getting in by the NFL increasing the number per year to six or seven than he does competing against these eligible candidates. I don't see Andre getting in next year with that crop of first timers. Not saying he deserves it, but iIf Willie Roaf got in, wouldn't that mean that Reuben Brown should get in eventually too? Very comparable careers. Ruben was not even close to Willie Roaf. I don't think you people know how good Roaf was. He was the best player at his position for a decade or more. 6 1st Team All Pros and 3 2nd Team All Pros - Ruben had 4 2nd Team and no first team All Pros.
bbb Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 BTW, Jack Butler is a St. Bonaventure grad. Thank you very much.
Thunderstealer Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Unless I'm mistaken, Andre played in four times as many Super Bowls as this entire class of enshrinees combined (Dawson: 1. The rest: zero.) Bruce Smith's poor performances in super bowl's didn't keep him out of the HOF.. Probably because of his sack record. Poor play in SB's is likely keeping Reed out.
Best Player Available Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 I give Micheal Irvin credit for going OFF on NFL Gameday about the politics that go on in the selection process. While the other guys looked a bit uncomfortable and even tried to lighten the mood by laughing - Irvin said "We gotta stop this maddness... and these guys played with courage! They've taken courage out of the National Football League! Tim Brown, Chris Carter, Andre Reed - they played with courage!" He also talked about how Charles Haley wasn't in and made the valid point that if any QB had five Super Bowl rings they would be in the HoF right away. They also touched on how there is a maximum of seven inductees allowed per year yet at times like this year they only let in six. (vote percentages) It does seem like a waste... and before anyone argues that rule is to prevent only the best making it in- keep in mind the politics involved. As Irvin points out; if one guy sees the player he wants in not getting the votes he may not vote for someone else's "guy" out of spite more than anything else. Its deplorable but human nature. I read everyone's comments and i see people slamming other deserving inductees because they are angry Reed or someone else wasn't chosen. This is the stuff im sure happens to keep players like Andre out. I just think the whole thing is sad. I caught that. Maybe Andre needed Felser in there pleading his case yesterday. But Felser probably doesn't have a vote anymore. Peter King who does vote had said yesterday he thought Andre was going in. This year was Andre's best shot. he will get in someday but now probably not for awhile. I think its more disrespect for wide receivers in general than any Bills hate.
NoSaint Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 I caught that. Maybe Andre needed Felser in there pleading his case yesterday. But Felser probably doesn't have a vote anymore. Peter King who does vote had said yesterday he thought Andre was going in. This year was Andre's best shot. he will get in someday but now probably not for awhile. I think its more disrespect for wide receivers in general than any Bills hate. Short of say qbs and rbs (maybe?) there a position with more people inducted? I really don't know but it seems like it
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