vincec Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 If Chris Carter and Andre Reed can't get in ahead of Doleman, Kennedy or Martin then they will never make it. Chris Doleman especially. Come on.
nucci Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 If Chris Carter and Andre Reed can't get in ahead of Doleman, Kennedy or Martin then they will never make it. Chris Doleman especially. Come on. Absolutely!
Rico Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Andre & Tuna got robbed... and Chris friggin' Doleman over Charles Haley is beyond ridiculous. If Willie Roaf was a true HOF-er, the Saints wouldn't have given him away to the Chiefs for a song while he still had quality years in him. Dawson belongs, meh on Kennedy, meh on C-Mart, Andre is far more worthy. Glad that Cris Carter didn't make it though, and also glad that the Bus didn't make the Final 10.
chaccof Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Willie Roaf? Who the heck is he? I've been watching professional football for 40 years and I'll be damned if I can say I've heard of the guy before today....The selectors must have been drunk...
FluffHead Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Willie Roaf? Who the heck is he? I've been watching professional football for 40 years and I'll be damned if I can say I've heard of the guy before today....The selectors must have been drunk... He is more deserving than Doleman, Martin and Kennedy. You probably just don't know him because he was an offensive lineman on some bad saints teams.
GOBILLS78 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Doleman waa a great player. But sure as hell no greater than Dre. Too bad. Congrats to the folks who made it.
Mark Vader Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin are you joking NFL Seriously,they didn't choose Andre Reed, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Jerome Bettis, Charles Haley & Bill Parcells Charles Haley has 5 Superbowl rings how many does Chris Doleman & Cortez Kennedy have AHH... ZERO, Curtis Martin really... come on this pick was made because when was the last time a Patriot or Jet was induced into the HOF & who is in the Superbowl this Oh the Patriots. Dermonte Dawson & Willie Roaf I can except but the rest No Way Yes, this I do not understand. Haley was more of a difference maker, character issues are keeping him out. While I disagree with Doleman & Kennedy, the Super Bowl rings are irrelevant. A Super Bowl is a team effort, one player does not win a Super Bowl.
HuSeYiN1978 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 It is a shame the Michael Irvin made it in a couple of years ago. Sure he was on three teams that won the super bowl, but Carter, Brown, and Reed would have too had they played on those Dallas teams. Are you saying the team Reed played for wasn't good?
mob16151 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) I think Kennedy, and Doleman aee horrible nominations(As far as the HoF goes). Roaf i'm kind of meh on, but I will say Martin belongs. 130 TD's over 17000 yards from scrimmage,thats a grear career for a running back. Martin had a much better career than Bettis. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BettJe00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartCu00.htm Edited February 5, 2012 by mob16151
bisonbrigade Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 That is the worst bunch of inductee's I've ever saw. You got to be Joking. No Haley, Reed or Chris Carter. Who paid off the voters. How can you even take the Hall of fame Seriously.
nmocdr Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 This is the worst induction class every! Does not make sense.
BRH Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Unless I'm mistaken, Andre played in four times as many Super Bowls as this entire class of enshrinees combined (Dawson: 1. The rest: zero.)
mob16151 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Unless I'm mistaken, Andre played in four times as many Super Bowls as this entire class of enshrinees combined (Dawson: 1. The rest: zero.) While I'm not a fan of this class, and think Reed should have been in the first time he was eligible, what does this classes Superbowl appearances have to do with anything. Because if you extend that reasoning to it's logical conclusion, then a guy like Barry Sanders shouldn't be a HoF'er.
BRH Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) While I'm not a fan of this class, and think Reed should have been in the first time he was eligible, what does this classes Superbowl appearances have to do with anything. Because if you extend that reasoning to it's logical conclusion, then a guy like Barry Sanders shouldn't be a HoF'er. It doesn't have anything to do with it. Just thought it was interesting. I'm willing to bet you can go a long way back before finding another class with a combined zero Super Bowl rings. And that's RINGS, not just appearances. I just did, in fact, and went back to the mid-70s (when SB winners started becoming eligible for the most part) before giving up. The closest I came was 1991 when no player had a ring but Tex Schramm, who did, was also a class member. Edited February 5, 2012 by BRH
bbb Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 I don't get the Roaf hate or whoever said they never heard of him. He was a perennial All Pro - not just a perennial Pro Bowler. I actually thought he would be a first ballot guy.
mob16151 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 It doesn't have anything to do with it. Just thought it was interesting. I'm willing to bet you can go a long way back before finding another class with a combined zero Super Bowl rings. I just did, in fact, and went back to the mid-70s (when SB winners started becoming eligible for the most part) before giving up. The closest I came was 1991 when no player had a ring but Tex Schramm, who did, was also a class member. Got you. I wasn't sure where you were going with that.
jwhit34 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 When I saw the list of 15, I really thought that this would be the year they used to break open the logjam at WR and elect Reed and Carter. That would have left room for Martin, an OL and one more. I agree with many that Kennedy and Doleman were nice players but not extraordinary. I would have gone 1 step further and elected Reed, Carter and Brown then added Dawson and Martin.
Dragonborn10 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Someone needs to explain to me how Art Monk is in the HOF and Reed, Carter, and Brown are not? This is total BS. Cortez Kennedy? I was shocked he even made it to to the final ten let alone gets enshrined. Doleman? You have got to be kidding. Martin has the numbers but he could have waited a few years. Roaf and Dawson are worthy. I can't see Reed ever making it now.
jwhit34 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 For Andre, there's always the dreaded Veteran's Committee. Of course, this year they denied Dick Stanfel, which I think is the first one I remember that didn't get in.
NoSaint Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Andre & Tuna got robbed... and Chris friggin' Doleman over Charles Haley is beyond ridiculous. If Willie Roaf was a true HOF-er, the Saints wouldn't have given him away to the Chiefs for a song while he still had quality years in him. Dawson belongs, meh on Kennedy, meh on C-Mart, Andre is far more worthy. Glad that Cris Carter didn't make it though, and also glad that the Bus didn't make the Final 10. Clearly you don't know the stories about Joe horn sleeping with Willie roafs wife for an extended period before Willie finding out and flying off the deepens on ol Joe. Wasn't a good situation or a choice made based on talent. Willie was leaving, just a matter of if he was going to jail for killing his "teammate" in the process.
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