The Cincinnati Kid Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Folks, I am upset by this. Fred Jackson was removed from the Pro Bowl Ballot when he was placed on season ending IR. He was disappointed and rightfully so. He likely would have had a chance to be healthy enough to play in an all-star game that he deserved to play in. He was having a great season and was near the top, if not the top, in votes from the AFC for Running Backs. Matt Forte also ended the season on IR for the Bears. He was cleared by doctors and will be playing in the Pro Bowl this weekend. He also had a great season and deserves to play in the game, but if a rule applies to one player then it should apply to all players. If "Season Ending Injured Reserve" removes from the season, and therefore the Pro Bowl, then so be it. But it should not be at the discretion of the League who this applies to and who it does not. I sent Chris Brown of buffalobills.com an email about this and his response was that he could not find and answer and would send an email to the League. Additionally, I sent tweets to Adam Schefter and ProFootballTalk, and got no response. The only thing I can think of that would lend any sort of answer is the time of the injury in relation to the end of the season, but obviously, this makes no sense regardless. If anyone has some insight, that would be greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Folks, I am upset by this. Fred Jackson was removed from the Pro Bowl Ballot when he was placed on season ending IR. He was disappointed and rightfully so. He likely would have had a chance to be healthy enough to play in an all-star game that he deserved to play in. He was having a great season and was near the top, if not the top, in votes from the AFC for Running Backs. Matt Forte also ended the season on IR for the Bears. He was cleared by doctors and will be playing in the Pro Bowl this weekend. He also had a great season and deserves to play in the game, but if a rule applies to one player then it should apply to all players. If "Season Ending Injured Reserve" removes from the season, and therefore the Pro Bowl, then so be it. But it should not be at the discretion of the League who this applies to and who it does not. I sent Chris Brown of buffalobills.com an email about this and his response was that he could not find and answer and would send an email to the League. Additionally, I sent tweets to Adam Schefter and ProFootballTalk, and got no response. The only thing I can think of that would lend any sort of answer is the time of the injury in relation to the end of the season, but obviously, this makes no sense regardless. If anyone has some insight, that would be greatly appreciated. Major bull **** right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) FJ is likely healthy enough to play?? He's recovering from a broken leg, why would he play--even if he got in as an alternate? Edited January 26, 2012 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The Pro Bowl is a ridiculous, meaningless, bullcrap thing. If I've got a chance to watch paint dry or the pro bowl, I'm going with the paint. At least I can catch some good fumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 There is a number of games played rule? Maybe Jackson didn't play enough games for the ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) WEO, I said "He likely would have had a chance to be healthy enough to play," not that he is, but that there would have been a chance. Please don't twist it to take away from the meaning of the post. Regardless, he deserved the honor of being selected. If he could or could not play is not the point. The point is that he was having a Pro Bowl type season it was taken away because of being placed on IR. Matt Forte should have the same problem. kota, He was on the Ballot for a few games prior to being on IR and a few games afterwards. Edited January 26, 2012 by The Cincinnati Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Aside from the fact that Forte was a 2nd rounder and Freddy was undrafted, these guys are uncannily similar players who suffered similar fates this year. Similar in stature, style of play, talent level… they even wear the same number. Both players are also largely underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dear Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 FJ is likely healthy enough to play?? He's recovering from a broken leg, why would he play--even if he got in as an alternate? He fractured his fibula. If all goes well he's out 6 weeks. If the Bills hadn't just been humiliated by 3 mediocre teams and were still realistically in the playoff hunt, I doubt he gets put on IR at all. While it might not be the wisest move fo FJ to play in the Pro Bowl, I can see why he'd want to. I think he's earned it from his play the previous 2 years as well. If he's healthy next year, I sure he'll be a shoo in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan42790 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Personnaly I couldn't care less about the Pro Bowl, it's very boring. BUT sense it seems that it was important to Fred Jackson, I really feel bad for him, he was on his way to possibly beating Thurman Thomas All purpose yards, or Yards from scrimage, 1 of those 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Good. Stay home and fully re-hab. Unless he had a clause in his contract with a bonus for Pro Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Probobly a cause in his contract for being on the probowl. Either way, he played great leading up to the point he was injured but at the end of the day he was injured too early in the season. Not early enough to keep him off the ballot, but early enough to not produce enough to keep him in the top of RBs. Let's ask this, if he wasn't injured but just like the rest of the team, he took a dump for the second half of the season would he have deserved an invite? In short, NO! Forte still finished in the top of the league in the needed statistics for him to be invited. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ok. After I did a double take and actually looked at the statistics I concede that Forte and Jackson were basically equal in productivity. Actually Freddy had a few more TDs for a little over 100 yards less than Forte had. It must be my defense mechanism towards all the love for an aging RB that I feel we should start to look at CJ more. It's not that I don't think Freddy isn't really good or even great it's just his age males me feel he's on his last few years and I'm a fan of the youth movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dear Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Fred has played on some really crappy Bilks teams over the last 3 seasons, and the only time he's "taken a dump" has been in the can. What makes you assume he would have tanked with the team? Probobly a cause in his contract for being on the probowl. Either way, he played great leading up to the point he was injured but at the end of the day he was injured too early in the season. Not early enough to keep him off the ballot, but early enough to not produce enough to keep him in the top of RBs. Let's ask this, if he wasn't injured but just like the rest of the team, he took a dump for the second half of the season would he have deserved an invite? In short, NO! Forte still finished in the top of the league in the needed statistics for him to be invited. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ok. After I did a double take and actually looked at the statistics I concede that Forte and Jackson were basically equal in productivity. Actually Freddy had a few more TDs for a little over 100 yards less than Forte had. It must be my defense mechanism towards all the love for an aging RB that I feel we should start to look at CJ more. It's not that I don't think Freddy isn't really good or even great it's just his age males me feel he's on his last few years and I'm a fan of the youth movement. You want to move on from an MVP candidate less than a year later? Going with the youth movement just because is how teams like the Bills stay mediocre. If Freddy is the best player he should be starting, end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 You want to move on from an MVP candidate less than a year later? Going with the youth movement just because is how teams like the Bills stay mediocre. If Freddy is the best player he should be starting, end of story. It's not that I want to move on from Freddy at all. Never said that. I've been a supporter of Freddy before most on this board when people were stoking Lynch every chance they could get. all I'm saying is I don't think Freddy has more than a few years left in him and with his injury I have serious doubts he will ever be close to what he produced this year ever again. If he is, then great we have a potential MVP RB on the team and CJ is only getting better. As i stated after looking up the statistics, I was wrong about comparing Freddy to Forte. I've conceded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 You want to move on from an MVP candidate less than a year later? Going with the youth movement just because is how teams like the Bills stay mediocre. If Freddy is the best player he should be starting, end of story. You do realize that rbs of a certain age can fall off a cliff between seasons? I'm not saying Fred will but the attitude that it's impossible or even rare is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 You do realize that rbs of a certain age can fall off a cliff between seasons? I'm not saying Fred will but the attitude that it's impossible or even rare is silly. Yes, thats true. However, I think a lot of reasoning behind that is that those particular running backs carried their teams on Offense, Defense and Special teams in High School, and on Offense in College, and then again in the NFL. The Running back in question on the Bills, was never that player. He was a backup in high school and played at a DIII school which to me sounds like considerably less pounding, if only from the smaller players hitting him. After the DII he played in a minor league Arena game and finally in NFL Europe before being a 3rd team player for the Bills for a few years before he finally got his chance about 3-4 years ago, but really wasnt featured until this year. My point is that I believe that Fred has at least 4 more good years in him because he hasn't taken the same pounding as a guy like Tomlinson did by the time he was 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Yes, thats true. However, I think a lot of reasoning behind that is that those particular running backs carried their teams on Offense, Defense and Special teams in High School, and on Offense in College, and then again in the NFL. The Running back in question on the Bills, was never that player. He was a backup in high school and played at a DIII school which to me sounds like considerably less pounding, if only from the smaller players hitting him. After the DII he played in a minor league Arena game and finally in NFL Europe before being a 3rd team player for the Bills for a few years before he finally got his chance about 3-4 years ago, but really wasnt featured until this year. My point is that I believe that Fred has at least 4 more good years in him because he hasn't taken the same pounding as a guy like Tomlinson did by the time he was 30. If there is any good news in Freds leg break. It's the type of leg break that are not typically career threatening. He has had to prove himself over and over in his career. I would guess he will come back with a vengeance yet again. I could see him being a huge part of the offense for 3 or 4 more years. The guy IMO is the most valuable player on the team hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Yes, thats true. However, I think a lot of reasoning behind that is that those particular running backs carried their teams on Offense, Defense and Special teams in High School, and on Offense in College, and then again in the NFL. The Running back in question on the Bills, was never that player. He was a backup in high school and played at a DIII school which to me sounds like considerably less pounding, if only from the smaller players hitting him. After the DII he played in a minor league Arena game and finally in NFL Europe before being a 3rd team player for the Bills for a few years before he finally got his chance about 3-4 years ago, but really wasnt featured until this year. My point is that I believe that Fred has at least 4 more good years in him because he hasn't taken the same pounding as a guy like Tomlinson did by the time he was 30. Some of the issue seems to have been traced to sudden rises in workload too. As well as natural aging. It's a bit of a wildcard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Had Fred not got hurt, he would have been to the pro bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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