Danny Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Obviously its early and a lot of the moves are going to depend on the draft and many other things BUT just for fun... If you were in Buddy Nix's shoes what moves would you make? Here are some rules to follow to keep it somewhat realistic... Start with the players you would cut that you dont want on the team or will save you cash. Then follow up with which Bills players you would re-sign but remember to state how much you would sign each for (example: 3-4 mil, 8-9 mil ect.) because while everyone wants to sign Chandler im sure not everyone would want to spend the same amount of money. Finally, end with which free agents you would target but also give an idea of what the limit you are willing to spend on each (example if you decide to target Mario williams you will have to spend 15 mil plus) Keep in mind that we the Bills work with a cash to cap system so unless you save a bunch of money with the players you want to cut, you wont have alot of money to work with. Edited January 20, 2012 by Danny
Green Lightning Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Uh oh, I feel another "let's trade Fred Jackson for a number one pick and use it to get...." post coming.
Pete Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Sign SJ, Chandler, Bell. Extend Levitre, Byrd. Sign Cortland Finnegan(him, paired with Aaron Williams, Leodis nickel, and with Byrd and Wilson is a very solid DB group). Trade down 10 spots in draft, picking up an additional second rounder...
Fan in San Diego Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Obviously its early and a lot of the moves are going to depend on the draft and many other things BUT just for fun... If you were in Buddy Nix's shoes what moves would you make? Here are some rules to follow to keep it somewhat realistic... Start with the players you would cut that you dont want on the team or will save you cash. Then follow up with which Bills players you would re-sign but remember to state how much you would sign each for (example: 3-4 mil, 8-9 mil ect.) because while everyone wants to sign Chandler im sure not everyone would want to spend the same amount of money. Finally, end with which free agents you would target but also give an idea of what the limit you are willing to spend on each (example if you decide to target Mario williams you will have to spend 15 mil plus) Keep in mind that we the Bills work with a cash to cap system so unless you save a bunch of money with the players you want to cut, you wont have alot of money to work with. I'm not a capologist. I have never understood the cash to cap thing. But there are minimum spending rules in the new CBA that get tougher every year. So the cash to cap may be out the door.
flomoe Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Sign SJ, Chandler, Bell. Extend Levitre, Byrd. Sign Cortland Finnegan(him, paired with Aaron Williams, Leodis nickel, and with Byrd and Wilson is a very solid DB group). Trade down 10 spots in draft, picking up an additional second rounder... All of that and if there is any $ left over, find at least ONE FA that can play on the defensive front 7.
BillsVet Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 I'm not a capologist. I have never understood the cash to cap thing. But there are minimum spending rules in the new CBA that get tougher every year. So the cash to cap may be out the door. There is no cap floor this year, but cumulatively the league must spend a certain amount. Per PFT from 7/25: Salary floors: Players accepted a relatively low salary cap in exchange for the raising the minimum teams have to spend. This can’t be underestimated. 99% of the salary cap must be spent in cash in aggregate between 2011-2012. The league-wide number falls to 95% after that. Teams must spend at least 89% of the cap from 2013-2016 and 2017-2020. The Bills can spend less in 2012 and rely on the larger spenders to make up for it. However, Nix said that they'll spend to the cap, which if the number didn't change from 2011, would be spending 120.375M in cash. The cap may be easily massaged, but in terms of money spent that what the Bills will spend per the GM.
rstencel Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Uh oh, I feel another "let's trade Fred Jackson for a number one pick and use it to get...." post coming. Comming off an injury and over 30 hump, good luck getting a 1st for him, even if they wanted too.
Estro Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) If I'm the GM my priorities are: Resign Stevie Johnson Resign Demetrius Bell Resign Rian Lindell Resign Scott Chandler Resign Bryan Scott I've listed them from most important to least, IMO. Obviously Stevie is the most important to get resigned, and I'd lose a lot of respect if the bills let this guy walk. Bell, is IMO, a very close second to Stevie in terms of importance. I have the feeling he'll test the market and get more money elsewhere, which will be a shame and the wrong move. It's not often you hit on a 7th rounder (both Stevie and Bell), and in order to continue to build the talent and nucleus of a team you have to be able to resign your young talent, and these two are both very talented pros. Moving onto free agency and the draft I'm prioritizing 4-5 positions: OLB/DE (depeding on our base defense) WR CB OT in that order. The Bills have seemed to have a lot of success picking up OL late in the draft or off of waivers (Urbik, Pears, Rhinehart, and Bell), so I'd expect more of the same......either a late round pick or a cheap FA that they like. Drafting a CB is an almost certainty, if not 2. Nix has been quoted saying you better draft one or two CB's every year, so I fully expect to see just that....1-2 CB's drafted. If the Bills can land one prized FA I'd expect it to be either a WR or pass rusher (OLB/DE). It's not likely, but if it were to occur I'd expect it to be at one of those 2 positions. Otherwise I'm expecting them to be addressed very early in the draft. Do not expect a G or C to be drafted. I believe Nix stated it's a lot easier to draft T's and if they don't work out you kick them inside. He stated it's very difficult to do the opposite so he sees the drafting of tackles as a much more viable and safe bet than drafting G's and or C's, which actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not sold on Fitzpatrick long term, but I think this front office believes they can win now with Fitz, and so I think they'll address other needs and wait another year or two to get their guy. An ideal scenario, would be 1- Resign Stevie, 2- Resign Bell, 3- Land a big time FA receiver (Vincent Jackson) ....and then follow that up with another defensive heavy draft (CB's, OLB's, DE's). I'd love that scenario. The Bills must get back to having a nasty defense if they ever want to compete when the weather turns nasty in Nov./Dec. Edited January 20, 2012 by Estro
Danny Posted January 20, 2012 Author Posted January 20, 2012 Sign SJ, Chandler, Bell. Extend Levitre, Byrd. Sign Cortland Finnegan(him, paired with Aaron Williams, Leodis nickel, and with Byrd and Wilson is a very solid DB group). Trade down 10 spots in draft, picking up an additional second rounder... That works for me. I don't know if my first target in free agency would be Finnegan but he might be easier to sign than a lot of others out there. I would not be unhappy at all if they landed him. If I'm the GM my priorities are: Resign Stevie Johnson Resign Demetrius Bell Resign Rian Lindell Resign Scott Chandler Resign... If the offseason went down like that we'd be in great shape for next year. If they cut a couple of players they might even have enough $$ to go after a second significant free agent.
Green Lightning Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Comming off an injury and over 30 hump, good luck getting a 1st for him, even if they wanted too. Precisely my point, but it doesn't stop multiple posts advocating just that.
mob16151 Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Re-sign Stevie Johnson IN FA Sign Robert Meachem,Tracey Porter,Calais Campbell Draft RD 1 Nick Perry USC RD 2 Nick Foles QB Arizona RD 3 Andrew Datko OT Florida State RD 4 Juron Criner WR Arizona RD 4 Manny Abreu OLB Rutgers RD 5 Emanuel Davis CB, East Carolina (This kid is going to be a stud.) (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37381) RD 6-7 BPA Edited January 21, 2012 by mob16151
Bflojohn Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 First off, free agency signings.... Kendall Langford, DE, Miami Dolphins where we steal a player off a division rivals roster. Additionally, TE John Carlson formerly a Seattle Seahawk. Next "we" add a WR like Laurent Robinson (If you can't beat him, have him join you!!). The NFL selection meeting nets this, as follows: 10.) Jonathan Martin, OLT, Stanford 41.) Andre Branch, OLB/DE, Clemson 72.) Cordarro Law, DE, Southern Mississippi 108.) Keith Tandy, CB, West Virginia 124.) Jordan White, WR, Western Micigan 5th round- Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona State 6th round- Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin 6th rounder- Terrence Ganaway, RB, Baylor 7th rounder- Kyle Wilber, OLB, Wake Forest I think the realistic viewpoint is entered here, however, I am hoping for a blockbuster such as Mario Williams, DE, Houston Texans ( Then no Langford!).
Danny Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 Re-sign Stevie Johnson IN FA Sign Robert Meachem,Tracey Porter,Calais Campbell Draft RD 1 Nick Perry USC RD 2 Nick Foles QB Arizona RD 3 Andrew Datko OT Florida State RD 4 Juron Criner WR Arizona RD 4 Manny Abreu OLB Rutgers RD 5 Emanuel Davis CB, East Carolina (This kid is going to be a stud.) (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37381) RD 6-7 BPA Nice. If you could resign Bell or Chandler which would you resign? Or would you let them walk?
mob16151 Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Nice. If you could resign Bell or Chandler which would you resign? Or would you let them walk? I'd let Bell walk, and try and re-sign Chandler, he's found a niche in our offense. But I wouldn't pay more than 5 million a year for Chandler.
Danny Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 First off, free agency signings.... Kendall Langford, DE, Miami Dolphins where we steal a player off a division rivals roster. Additionally, TE John Carlson formerly a Seattle Seahawk. Next "we" add a WR like Laurent Robinson (If you can't beat him, have him join you!!). The NFL selection meeting nets this, as follows: 10.) Jonathan Martin, OLT, Stanford 41.) Andre Branch, OLB/DE, Clemson 72.) Cordarro Law, DE, Southern Mississippi 108.) Keith Tandy, CB, West Virginia 124.) Jordan White, WR, Western Micigan 5th round- Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona State 6th round- Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin 6th rounder- Terrence Ganaway, RB, Baylor 7th rounder- Kyle Wilber, OLB, Wake Forest I think the realistic viewpoint is entered here, however, I am hoping for a blockbuster such as Mario Williams, DE, Houston Texans ( Then no Langford!). Right on. Im assuming you kept the free agent signings reasonable so that you'd have enough money to resign our own free agents like SJ and DB? Would you cut a player like Edwards or Spencer Johnson to save 3 million and spend it elsewhere or do you think they are worth keeping.. I'd let Bell walk, and try and re-sign Chandler, he's found a niche in our offense. But I wouldn't pay more than 5 million a year for Chandler. Personally i would rather spend those 5 mil. on Bell. I know we signed Pears to about 3 mil a year so if Bell took 5 mil it would sound fair to me. But i have heard most people agree with you that Chandler is more important to keep. Im very interested in how the Bills will handle Chandler, they dont seem like they will pay him 4-5 mil after only one year of production. I know you said 5 mil is the Max... obviously you would like to pay him less. If we could get him for less i would love to see him on the team next year.
mob16151 Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Right on. Im assuming you kept the free agent signings reasonable so that you'd have enough money to resign our own free agents like SJ and DB? Would you cut a player like Edwards or Spencer Johnson to save 3 million and spend it elsewhere or do you think they are worth keeping.. Personally i would rather spend those 5 mil. on Bell. I know we signed Pears to about 3 mil a year so if Bell took 5 mil it would sound fair to me. But i have heard most people agree with you that Chandler is more important to keep. Im very interested in how the Bills will handle Chandler, they dont seem like they will pay him 4-5 mil after only one year of production. I know you said 5 mil is the Max... obviously you would like to pay him less. If we could get him for less i would love to see him on the team next year. The problem with re-signing Chandler is this guy might have bumped up Chandlers asking price. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7459508/tennessee-titans-craig-stevens-agree-four-year-deal-according-agent http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/01/13/titans-te-stevens-agree-on-four-year-deal
Danny Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 The problem with re-signing Chandler is this guy might have bumped up Chandlers asking price. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7459508/tennessee-titans-craig-stevens-agree-four-year-deal-according-agent http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/01/13/titans-te-stevens-agree-on-four-year-deal At that rate. Chandler is going to be offered 10 million/yr. Well at least now we know why the titans are in trouble.
smapdi Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) At that rate. Chandler is going to be offered 10 million/yr. Well at least now we know why the titans are in trouble. If Chandler is offered 6 or 7 million a year, I would be shocked. I would love to see him resigned but I am thinking in the 2-3 million dollar range. And I would still like to see another TE brought in (Fred Davis, Martellus Bennet, Jacob Tamme). Bennett is really intriguing to me with his tremendous size and good speed. He has been stuck behind Witten in Dallas and I think a change of scenery could do him wonders. He also wouldn;t cost very much to bring in IMO Edited January 21, 2012 by ShhitGoose
Danny Posted January 21, 2012 Author Posted January 21, 2012 If Chandler is offered 6 or 7 million a year, I would be shocked. I would love to see him resigned but I am thinking in the 2-3 million dollar range. And I would still like to see another TE brought in (Fred Davis, Martellus Bennet, Jacob Tamme). Bennett is really intriguing to me with his tremendous size and good speed. He has been stuck behind Witten in Dallas and I think a change of scenery could do him wonders. He also wouldn;t cost very much to bring in IMO You arent going to get any arguement from me on that. I was thinking the exact same thing. But read the article that mob posted. Titans signing a te with 9 catches, 166 yards and 1 td a contract of 4 yrs/15 mil. (approx.)? Are you kidding me? Chandlers agent is salivating as we speak right?
Kevin Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) 1. Sign Stevie @ 7 million with performance based bonuses not to exceed 10 million (4 years). 2. Extend Levitre. 3. Target Mario Williams for 15-20 million with performance based bonuses not to exceed 20 mil. Reason, he was a 4-3 end when he came into the league, and a 3-4 OLB last season. He was damn good at both. 4. Sign Bell @ whatever the average Left Tackle makes in the NFL. He isn't an elite tackle. Have a feeling someone in the league will drastically overpay, if thats the case let him walk. 5. Sign Chandler for slightly above the TE average and put in some performance based bonuses to enhance the contract. 6. Target Vincent Jackson. I would personally pay him around the 10 million mark with performance bonuses to reach 15 million. 7. Cortland Finnegan. Talk to him, see what he wants. I would sign him, but not for high end numbers. 8. Have Brad Smith start working with QB's more. Coach Lee brought the Wildcat in. Smith was successful with it when they ran it last year, and Smith can throw it too. Just another weapon. 9. Draft Upshaw, Blackmon, or Coples if they are there at 10. If they lost Bell then throw the best LT into the mix at 10. Leave the rest to Whaley. 10. Take a nap. Edited January 21, 2012 by Kevin
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