White Linen Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Because the Bills could get a 1000 first round picks and would likely blow them all and not get anyone half as good as Jackson. Why would you root for a team you think has absolutely no chance of drafting well? Especially knowing that the draft is the primary source of us having an opportunity at top end talent? I just couldn't dumb myself down far enough to do that.
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 I guess that's where we disagree. I think Palmer is a washed up garbage QB that was smart to retire if he was set financially. We agree on one thing....Kobe's BAAAAACCCCK!!!! If I were Ted Thompson I'd pull the trigger on that trade in a second. Adding Fred to that offense would really create problems for opposing defenses. As of they don't create enough as it is, Fred would all but lock up another title. Totally disagree. When you have a roster with a lot of hands out to get paid you need to keep adding cheap talented youth, not older guys looking for new deals. Cycling talent well is how you build long term. Trading firsts for 31 year old running backs is done in desperation (and frankly not even then, for a first) to save a job, not to bolster a roster like GB.
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 . . . NO GM IN ANY SPORT OF ANY LEAGUE ON EARTH would offer a first round draft pick for a player very near the end of his career. * * * * * * * * Your time would be better spent going out and buying a lottery ticket because your odds of hitting the lottery are greater than any GM in the NFL giving us a first round pick for FJ, and thats NO exaggeration and the odds of that happening are exactly zero. Madden has warped the minds of so many on this board... I realize that you have already backed away from at least part of the above post, but just to add a little perspective (admittedly from a different era, but involving a late career trade of a Bills RB for draft picks): http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/19/gameday-the-risk-of-carson-palmer/ OAKLAND (CBS 5) – March 24, 1978. The San Francisco 49ers supposedly mortgaged their future by trading five draft picks to the Buffalo Bills for OJ Simpson. The picks were a first, two seconds, a third, and a fourth round pick. The 49ers didn’t know that Simpson had a knee injury and arthritis before making the trade. He rarely practiced and his infamous reverse-field direction ability could be seen only in NFL films. I went to OJ’s final game at Candlestick Park in 1979. OJ played only two years after the trade. Madden existed, but only as a person, not a video game yet. It was closer to (and maybe even a little before) the "Centipede" and "Missile Command" era.
NewEra Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 1326560096[/url]' post='2363030']Totally disagree. When you have a roster with a lot of hands out to get paid you need to keep adding cheap talented youth, not older guys looking for new deals. Cycling talent well is how you build long term. Trading firsts for 31 year old running backs is done in desperation (and frankly not even then, for a first) to save a job, not to bolster a roster like GB. I somewhat agree. I think the window to win super bowls is only so big. When you can put yourself in better position to win a title or 2 or 3 you pull the trigger. The addition of Fred to the packers would accomplish just that. Adding a very good player at a position of importance, especially with his pass blocking and receiving skill in that offense. The pats have been doing what you strategized for the past several years. What do they have to show for it? A good record. Whoopty doo. Winning as many super bowls as you can when you have the talent to do so....that would be my objective. I would mortgage part of the future to Allow the current team a better chance at winning 3-4 sbs. Just like the cowboys did in the 90s. Throw the kitchen sink into the mix if you have a chance to become a legendary team, like the packers have a chance at. Not winning one SB then remaining a pretty good team for a decade. Just my opinion.
VirginiaMike Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Who needs a solid running back in the league? Hear me out. FJ is 31 coming off an injury, yes great back no doubt but if we could get a 1st rounder for him, would you trade him? If we could lock up the two stud LB's from Bama, isn't it fair to say that CJ and Choice would manage 1200/14 yeard next season? Seems if this scenario played out, the Bills would benefit? Thoughts? Tim- In a NY minute if you could find someone dumb enough to offer one. I'd also trade Arthur Moats for a 1st rounder. The odds of either getting a 1st round offer are the same -- None.
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) I somewhat agree. I think the window to win super bowls is only so big. When you can put yourself in better position to win a title or 2 or 3 you pull the trigger. The addition of Fred to the packers would accomplish just that. Adding a very good player at a position of importance, especially with his pass blocking and receiving skill in that offense. The pats have been doing what you strategized for the past several years. What do they have to show for it? A good record. Whoopty doo. Winning as many super bowls as you can when you have the talent to do so....that would be my objective. I would mortgage part of the future to Allow the current team a better chance at winning 3-4 sbs. Just like the cowboys did in the 90s. Throw the kitchen sink into the mix if you have a chance to become a legendary team, like the packers have a chance at. Not winning one SB then remaining a pretty good team for a decade. Just my opinion. Fair enough. I think where we diverge is - trading those picks for Freddy promises nothing. You don't know what he will do next year, he will want a new deal (worth more than what you give to a late first) so you'll be letting someone walk, and when I have a team that has a shot for a decade- I'm not trading a premium pick like that unless it's for a young talent to build around. That first can buy a team a darn near equal talent short term but young enough to contribute long term. Also, at that level of competition - filling one hole promises nothingfaith regards to a ring. If I'm spending a first on a back I'd rather get a back like mark Ingram who came off at roughly that spot and has potential to play for a long time and be a franchise cornerstone, instead if a quick fix that's out the door in a year, or getting a big paycheck in his mid 30s. Edited January 14, 2012 by NoSaint
Hammered a Lot Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Who needs a solid running back in the league? Hear me out. FJ is 31 coming off an injury, yes great back no doubt but if we could get a 1st rounder for him, would you trade him? If we could lock up the two stud LB's from Bama, isn't it fair to say that CJ and Choice would manage 1200/14 yeard next season? Seems if this scenario played out, the Bills would benefit? Thoughts? Tim- Trade em
Cornerville Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 I think you are out to lunch on this one. 3 first rounders more reasonable :o
Kaenon Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Well, yeah, but I look at that stupid Carson Palmer trade and I was thinking, well, why not? What team wouldn't want FJ? Which team is looking at drafting a RB in the first round this year? Tim- Quarterback...versus a running back..
3rdand12 Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 A good tough question. and we have as much range in responses as a rep/dem debate. As a business man you have to take a look hard at the offer for fred. Heck it might be more lucrative for Fred to sign off to another team. I would be mighty surprised for that 1st round offer though. But as coach Eric, i want him (Freddy )here for alot of reasons and most of them are logical but the rest are strongly sentimental. Trading something that is very very good for something that Might be better is called greed. The broken leg was not caused by wear and tear so if he recovers fully and he will, injuries are not an issue yet. the question really should be; can Chan make best use of our one/ two stud RB problem? lucky us!
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 A good tough question. and we have as much range in responses as a rep/dem debate. As a business man you have to take a look hard at the offer for fred. Heck it might be more lucrative for Fred to sign off to another team. I would be mighty surprised for that 1st round offer though. But as coach Eric, i want him (Freddy )here for alot of reasons and most of them are logical but the rest are strongly sentimental. Trading something that is very very good for something that Might be better is called greed. The broken leg was not caused by wear and tear so if he recovers fully and he will, injuries are not an issue yet. the question really should be; can Chan make best use of our one/ two stud RB problem? lucky us! Something that could be good for a year or two and puts us in a tough spot with a contract for something that could be good for a decade and is same dollars or cheaper. We also don't know what Freddy will be. Him being beast like long term is unlikely, and even questionable short term..
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 jackson has done a good job. after the years it took to find a good RB like him - hell no
H2o Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Who needs a solid running back in the league? Hear me out. FJ is 31 coming off an injury, yes great back no doubt but if we could get a 1st rounder for him, would you trade him? If we could lock up the two stud LB's from Bama, isn't it fair to say that CJ and Choice would manage 1200/14 yeard next season? Seems if this scenario played out, the Bills would benefit? Thoughts? Tim- Without question it would be a done deal.
Best Player Available Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 LOL. We would be lucky to get a 4th rounder for him. I love FJAX's attitude and toughness, but he's had one great season - and he couldn't even stay healthy for ten games. He's a 31 year old running back coming off a broken leg. I'd trade him right now if I could get a 2nd rounder for him, maybe even a 3rd. Taking Fred behind the fieldhouse and putting him out of his misery may be the best alternative.
aristocrat Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Would san fran want freddy as the second part of a 2 headed monster? They have two firsts available and freddy and gore together would be insane. I would do it in a second as long as we improved our pass rush.
cody Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 How many players on the Bills would you NOT trade for a first round pick?
....lybob Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 You might be able to trade Fred Jackson and our second round pick for one of Cincinnati's first round picks- if for some reason Richardson dropped to ten it might be a good move.
RevWarRifleman Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Trade Fred? No. Why should we create more holes in our line up? That's what this franchise has done year after year for the past 12 years! End result? A dozen years of poor to mediocre won-lose records, and no playoff appearances.
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