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2012 Pro Football H.O.F. Inductee  

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  1. 1. Will Andre Reed be inducted in 2012?

    • Absolutely - He's Overdue
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    • Good Chance
      21
    • Only if they induct 2 receivers
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    • Maybe next year
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    • He'll never get in - Not good enough
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I'm very underwhelmed by this year's potential class, lots of good names there, but very few great. I would only put Haley and (I guess) Parcells above Andre, and then there is a pretty big gap. So, I think this is his year. :thumbsup:

I think there are more than three people who are deserving to be in the Hall.

 

Andre Reed should be in. His importance to the Bills offense is udeniable.

 

Bill Parcells is a no brainer, although his stints with the Jets & Cowboys do not exactly help him.

 

Tim Brown deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He always shined and carried the offense for a Raiders franchise that for the most part was poor-to-average during his time there.

 

Aeneas Williams in my opinion is another no brainer. He was one of the best CB's I have ever seen. He was even better than Deion IMO. Just ask Michael Irvin what it was like to play against him. People don't remember him because he played for the Cardinals.

 

Charles Haley was a difference maker and he deserves to be recognized. The character issues are what's keeping him out.

 

Ed Debartolo, Jr. did a lot for the 49'ers organization and brought that franchise out of obscurity. The riverboat scandal looms large though.

Posted

I love Andre's game--but Tim Brown was a better football player...and Chris Carter was at least as good.Doleman,Haley,Dawson,Bettis,Roaf look pretty solid. Just not sure there are enough spots for Andre.

 

Parcells--most overrated coach of the modern era.Has done very little without Belichick.

Posted

Here are this year's HOF Finalists:

 

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee’s 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow:

See detailed capsule bios on the 17 Finalists>>>

 

Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

 

Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

 

Jack Butler* – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers

 

Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

 

Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers

 

Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers

 

Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers

 

Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

 

Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

 

Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks

 

Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets

 

Bill Parcells – Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys

 

Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

 

Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs

 

Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs

 

Dick Stanfel* – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins

 

Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

I think going in with Tim Brown and Chris Carter may work against him even though he's just as good as those guys.

Posted

I'm very underwhelmed by this year's potential class, lots of good names there, but very few great. I would only put Haley and (I guess) Parcells above Andre, and then there is a pretty big gap. So, I think this is his year. :thumbsup:

Cris Carter?

Posted

Here are this year's HOF Finalists:

 

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee’s 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow:

See detailed capsule bios on the 17 Finalists>>>

 

Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

 

Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

 

Jack Butler* – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers

 

Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

 

Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers

 

Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers

 

Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers

 

Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

 

Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

 

Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks

 

Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets

 

Bill Parcells – Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys

 

Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

 

Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs

 

Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs

 

Dick Stanfel* – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins

 

Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

This may be Reed's best and last shot. This list has no slam dunks. Remember the committee doesn't like coaches that might go back and coach someday. They may make Parcells wait anohter year to make sure he doesn't go back to being a GM. Bettis probably makes it along with Dawson. The rest are toss up like Reed.

Posted

Not worthy. Scared no one on D.

 

He sure scored a gang load of TDs though. Way more than Andre, and his other stats are better as well. Just sayin'.

Posted

He sure scored a gang load of TDs though. Way more than Andre, and his other stats are better as well. Just sayin'.

 

Weren't Andre's better than Micheal Irving's? I always saw him as a better player not sure sats wise though. Carter, Bettis, Martin, Roaf...and the owner of the 9ers, tough but I hope this time.

Posted

I don't think Andre will ever get in. He only had a brief window (90-92) where he was arguably the second best wideout in the game. He put up some decent numbers after that, but would anyone here really consider him to be great, say, after the second Super Bowl loss? I was there in person for every game from 1987-96, and at his peak he was a HOF caliber player...problem is his peak just didn't last long enough to make him a real worthy HOF member in my opinion.

Posted (edited)

I love Andre's game--but Tim Brown was a better football player...and Chris Carter was at least as good.Doleman,Haley,Dawson,Bettis,Roaf look pretty solid. Just not sure there are enough spots for Andre.

 

Parcells--most overrated coach of the modern era.Has done very little without Belichick.

 

Um, Parcells *hired* Belichick, and building a good staff is a core task for all head coaches. I guess he gets no credit for that?

 

As for Andre, I thought he was a very good player, but to my eyes he was nowhere near as good in his prime as Michael Irvin was in his prime. Tim Brown dropped way too many passes, and moreover he was also only very good. Carter was the best of the lot (he had seasons where he truly excelled), so of the three I think he's the most likely to get in.

 

I'd have to go back and look, but I don't remember Curtis Martin being close to the best running back in any given year, seems to me there were always several others who were better. Very good player, but great, I'm not sure about that.

 

In 2004, his second last year, he led the league with 1700 rushing yards and dragged that team into the playoffs (over Bledsoe's dead body). He was definitely the best in the league that year. He was remarkably consistent. I think he gets in. He ended up fourth all time, and no one is going to leapfrog him any time soon (assuming Tomlinson retires). http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htm

 

Note that McGahee is now 49th all time. That's pretty solid production for the 23rd pick overall.

Edited by dave mcbride
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