RuntheDamnBall Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 I would like to see the numbers, but it seems to me that if Indy doesn't keep Manning, they are going to have a year of incredible salary cap difficulties.
Doc Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 No, they have an owner that hasn't let the bottom line interfere with football operations and that equals a commitment to winning. Hires qualified football men and lets them do their job. Do the Bills do that? We already know that answer, don't we? In this new era of the NFL, if you have a good QB in this league, you'll win. If you don't, you'll lose. Look at...the Colts. 10 straight double-digit win seasons under Manning, and without him, the worst team in the league (and a chance to draft another Manning-esque QB, as "Luck" would have it).
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Would you rather work for Bob Irsay or Ralph Wilson and his people who chop front office types off at the needs? Think about it for a moment. As someone noted, Indy isn't moving anywhere, has the #1 pick, the guy has the chance to name his own HC, a new stadium and building something. In Buffalo you're reporting to people setting the team up for sale. Indianapolis may not be a huge market, but the working conditions are better than Buffalo. Well, of course you'd rather work for the Colts. You hate the Bills. And the Bills have a much better foundation than the Colts. Polian built a one man team that crumbled without one piece.
mrags Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 You're assuming that you can land rg3, most likely a top 5 pick. So now you have about 4 teams you can work a trade with. IF I knew I could get rg3 plus all those picks, I'd agree with you and would trade Luck. But that's ONLY if I knew I could land that QB. Every team puts all their eggs in one QB basket btw. Not many backups are leading their teams to SBs. I didn't say backups never do, because we saw first hand that they can, but very unlikely. And by trading manning and getting 2-3 high picks, you're still improving your team across the board, but will get a couple less picks to build from. Hardly putting all your eggs in one basket. I agree with you regarding RG3 and the QB situation. My point is I'd just rather trade the pick and get a huge amount of 1st and 2nd rounders for years. Being an aging team with avhifh cap number it's a way to clean house over a very short period of time while keeping the guys you have in place for the transition. Or if you feel your close with a few players you van get there too. It's all preference and I just prefer going the Route of having tons of future prospects.
gobillsinytown Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Agree. It's not going to do much good to have Luck as QB if the O-line can't protect him. There have been many "can't miss" QB prospects that have been ruined by getting pummeled on every pass play. Whomever takes the job has a lot of grunt work to do in trying to manage their bloated cap. I don't know why people believe Indy is a more attractive franchise than Buffalo. Indy is constrained by debt, imminent cap hell, an aging roster with multiple holes, a very expensive quarterback that might play, might not, and a slew of draft picks you have to find money to pay for. What isn't factored into the equation is the considerable debt the team has which constrains spending on the field. You factor in the number of albatross contracts they have, as GM, your ability to make over a roster is severely limited in the short term. All in a small market. Indy can't spend like the Jets. The Bills have no team debt, no imminent cap hell and a younger roster with less holes. There is surely upside to being a Bills GM over a Colts GM. I don't find the Colts GM job all that attractive.
purple haze Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) Would you rather work for Bob Irsay or Ralph Wilson and his people who chop front office types off at the needs? Think about it for a moment. As someone noted, Indy isn't moving anywhere, has the #1 pick, the guy has the chance to name his own HC, a new stadium and building something. In Buffalo you're reporting to people setting the team up for sale. Indianapolis may not be a huge market, but the working conditions are better than Buffalo. Working conditions are better? That's why they just fired their President and GM? Maybe their coach? Their number one pick could tank. Their veteran QB might not play again. The Ralph will be renovated and modernized soon enough. If Gailey doesn't produce Whaley's first year as GM might be hiring his own coach. But why would he need to do that if Gailey gets it done. Folks put way too much stock in some of these things. Most GM's are hired as a coach is also fired. The Bills are already in the middle of their rebuild of which Whaley has been a part from year one. I'm sure Whaley would love to keep Gailey because the team has taken the next step in the plan that was set-up when he was brought in. He knows the organization. Also, because his name is on a list doesn't mean he is a legitimate candidate for the job. Call it a "wish" list he's on more than a reality based list. Typical Bills fans always go to negative places. The grass is always greener everywhere else. Assume everybody would want to be anywhere else. None of us know Whaley or anyone else. He hasn't resigned so he must be okay with things. The grass is not necessarily greener anywhere else and you shouldn't assume someone feels the same way you do. The Bills organization gave him a promotion and training to achieve his ultimate goal of being a GM. You think he will just walk now? Doubt it. Nix probably is going to step away from being a GM after the draft and become a consultant to football operations. Whaley is the next GM sooner than later. Edited January 4, 2012 by purple haze
Coach Tuesday Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Everyone please relax - many of you are not thinking clearly. If Whaley wanted to leave for an opportunity like this, he would've stayed in Pittsburgh and wouldn't have taken the Asst. GM job under Nix to begin with. The tea leaves are all pointing towards the inevitable conclusion, which is that Nix is intending to retire in very short order, with Whaley taking over. Likely right after the draft. If that hadn't been set in motion a year ago, Whaley never would have come here to begin with. He's not going anywhere.
Haven Moses Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 If Whaley leaves, it would be a good opportunity for Ralphs daughter to move up.
Rico Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Interesting. If I were Whaley, I would bolt. You get the #1 overall pick in the draft, and a chance to hire your own coach and make a mark on the organization. Plus, Indy is a nice city to live in. It's a GM dream job. If you're a farmer, yeah.
Doc Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 If Whaley leaves, it would be a good opportunity for Ralphs daughter to move up. That daughter died a few years ago. The other who is involved with the Bills is in marketing.
bladiebla Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Great... That'll be our luck, snatched before he even takes over from Nix and then having Nix retire leaving a huge gap in the scouting and GM department...
BRH Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 If Whaley leaves despite all that has reportedly been done to clear his way to the top job here, then he's not the guy I want running my team anyway. Nix made a commitment to him. Whaley can either honor that by keeping his own commitment, or he can leave. Either way, I'll be fine.
BillsVet Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Well, of course you'd rather work for the Colts. You hate the Bills. And the Bills have a much better foundation than the Colts. Polian built a one man team that crumbled without one piece. Correction: I, along with others here, hate the way the Bills are run. I hate the results, now having lost 60% of their games going back to 2001. And I love this myth being perpetuated that Indianapolis was a 1 man team and everyone else was a retread. Apparently people forget that Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Robert Mathis, Dallas Clark, Jeff Saturday, and Pierre Garcon play for this team. No, it was one guy who got them 10+ wins for 10 seasons in a row. Just one and no one else. Couldn't be the coach, whose college record at Wake Forest was horrible, wasn't at fault. Nope, couldn't be it.
BRH Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 And the conditions in Indianapolis -- decade-long playoff run, new stadium, etc etc -- were created by Bill Polian and Peyton Manning. One is gone and the other will soon be gone, leaving what was in Indianapolis prior to their arrival: a 2-14 team with a batshit owner and no guarantee of future success, Luck or no Luck.
The Senator Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 That daughter died a few years ago. The other who is involved with the Bills is in marketing. Actually, I believe RW's niece - Mary Owen, VP Strategic Planning - is his only relative in the Bills front office.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Correction: I, along with others here, hate the way the Bills are run. I hate the results, now having lost 60% of their games going back to 2001. And I love this myth being perpetuated that Indianapolis was a 1 man team and everyone else was a retread. Apparently people forget that Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Robert Mathis, Dallas Clark, Jeff Saturday, and Pierre Garcon play for this team. No, it was one guy who got them 10+ wins for 10 seasons in a row. Just one and no one else. Couldn't be the coach, whose college record at Wake Forest was horrible, wasn't at fault. Nope, couldn't be it. It's funny that all those players you mentioned played for this Colts this year and they struggled to win 2 games. The Bills, who have been awful, won 7 games with Trent Edwards and JP Losman. Curtis Painter is really that much worse than those 2? Poliam built a one man team and got a free 10 year ride. If the Bills had Manning, even with all their bad personnel moves, do you think they are looking at a 12 year playoff drought?
BRH Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Apparently people forget that Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Robert Mathis, Dallas Clark, Jeff Saturday, and Pierre Garcon play for this team. No, it was one guy who got them 10+ wins for 10 seasons in a row. Ages of five of the six players you cited, upon entering the 2012 season: Jeff Saturday: 38 Reggie Wayne: 34 Dwight Freeney: 32 Robert Mathis: 31 Dallas Clark: 33
The Senator Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 A local sports reporter here in Indianapolis (Bob Kravitz) mentions 3 possible candidates that are supposedly on Colts' owner Jim Irsay's "short list" to replace the recently fired Polians: 1. Tom Ciskowski (Dallas) 2. Doug Whaley (Buffalo) 3. Reggie McKenzie (Green Bay) Amazingly, we may be seeing a case of 'history repeating itself' here - Indy columnist suggests Polian’s rudeness played role in firing I believe it was Polian's rudeness and foul language that got him fired here in Buffalo.
merlin Posted January 4, 2012 Author Posted January 4, 2012 I would like to see the numbers, but it seems to me that if Indy doesn't keep Manning, they are going to have a year of incredible salary cap difficulties. If they want to keep Peyton, they have to pay him $28M on March 1 to pick up his option - otherwise, he becomes a free agent, with no (or at least minimal) affect on the salary cap. Indy does have other contracts to deal with that will be more problematic - Reggie Wayne, Robert Mathis, and I think Joseph Addai and Dallas Clark all will be free agents this off-season. Yikes! (Also their MLB, Gary Brackett).
PromoTheRobot Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) Amazingly, we may be seeing a case of 'history repeating itself' here - Indy columnist suggests Polian’s rudeness played role in firing I believe it was Polian's rudeness and foul language that got him fired here in Buffalo. Indy Colts Blog Wow, is Jerry Sullivan moonlighting for beer money? Polian disrespected the fans for questioning the infamous Jets sitdown decision in 2009, when he alone (I believe) decided at 14-0 that perfection was a meaningless pursuit, that crossed a line. Don’t insult the people who have spent so much money to give you such a great life. PTR Edited January 4, 2012 by PromoTheRobot
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