Wing Man Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 If Nix goes, I'll be sad to see it. You can't rebuild a football team built by a marketing geek in just two years. He was faced with some miserable personnel decisions due to injuries this year but his successful draft ratio is 50% ( 50>0 ) and I always get the sense that he's watching and biding his time until he can fire some players down there on the field. Maybe it's just not knowing what Whaley might or might not accomplish, but I like Nix and I'm far from dissatisfied so far. Even Spiller is coming around. If he repeats his defensive oriented 2011 draft, he'll give Wanny some nice tools to work with. Two straight #1 picks that are successes are unheard of in these parts. Edwards (DC) was a dud, but he's history and we move forward. Go Bills!
Kelly the Dog Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I have to question this report, not the idea that it may indeed happen. I cannot think of any decent reason whatsoever that, according to the report, it was announced to the staff that Nix is retiring. IMO, if he is retiring after the draft, the one thing you do not do is announce it to the staff. one, You no longer have any authority. Two, the draft is three months ago and the staff is going to leak the information, and you are going to get all kinds of speculation like this. I doubt very much that Nix announced it to the staff. I also heard a rumor that Whaley is being considered for the Indy job. If that is the case, it could be the reason that Nix is stepping down. The Bills do not want to lose Whaley (if this report is true AND if the Colts want him), so they may have accelerated the taking over the reins progression and offer him the job now. With the Bears and Rams and maybe a couple other GM openings popping up, that could easily be the case. Buddy saying I better step aside now or someone is going to offer Doug the job and he would be a fool not to take it. A little birdie also said there was no announcement like that to the staff, from someone who would know. My reading of it all is, there are rumors going around OBD that Whaley is going to be offered the job after the draft because they have guaranteed it to him and do not want to lose him. I think Buddy will stay on in some capacity. I have no knowledge of either of these things, it's just my opinion.
Bill from NYC Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I could have "found" Dareus and let's give Aaron Williams a full year. Everyone seems to forget how good McKelvin looked his rookie year. I'm more impressed with Nix picking up Urbik, Pears and Rinehart than anything else. Yes, lots of posters on this board could have found Dareus. The problem is that our GMs have "found" the likes of Mike Williams, Whitner, etc. It is very early, but imo the 2011 draft looks pretty good and the 2010 draft looks not so good. I'd say it's a push at this point. Btw, Chandler was an excellent pickup imo. He played better than Boss.
Best Player Available Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I also heard a rumor that Whaley is being considered for the Indy job. If that is the case, it could be the reason that Nix is stepping down. The Bills do not want to lose Whaley (if this report is true AND if the Colts want him), so they may have accelerated the taking over the reins progression and offer him the job now. That rumor, and other NFL openings would make sense to promote Whaley. That said i still doubt that Nix would step down voluntarily. More like Nix being pushed out creatively, in order to retain Whaley. I doubt Whaley is someone Ralph wants to lose to anybody/
jcbillsfan Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Say what you will about the player, but when Nix admitted he didn't have a lot to do with the Evans trade, it spoke volumes. New HC, GM, DC, ticket seller, whatever. It's still the same people with the marionettes. It would take a Ted Thompson/Kevin Colbert/Tom Dimitroff effort for the next 3 drafts to overcome that sort of interference from on-high. He never daid that , what he said is once they decided to trade evans he left the details to others. Meaning salary cap implications ect
BillsVet Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 If Nix goes, I'll be sad to see it. You can't rebuild a football team built by a marketing geek in just two years. He was faced with some miserable personnel decisions due to injuries this year but his successful draft ratio is 50% ( 50>0 ) and I always get the sense that he's watching and biding his time until he can fire some players down there on the field. Maybe it's just not knowing what Whaley might or might not accomplish, but I like Nix and I'm far from dissatisfied so far. Even Spiller is coming around. If he repeats his defensive oriented 2011 draft, he'll give Wanny some nice tools to work with. Two straight #1 picks that are successes are unheard of in these parts. Edwards (DC) was a dud, but he's history and we move forward. Go Bills! This came from AP writer John Wawrow's August article about the trade: "Nix didn't handle trade talks, leaving that job with Jim Overdorf, the team's salary cap specialist and senior vice president of football administration." Now, you can quibble about the meaning of this sentence, but when people like Overdorf survive this many regime changes, it makes me wonder who's got the power at OBD. Is he in Nix's chain of command, or does he take orders from elsewhere? Nix and Gailey took a 6-10 team, tore it down, changed defenses, and have improved it to 6-10 after 2 years. Their start is worse than Donahoe's (by a game) and Levy/Jauron (by 4 wins). They have a defense that just changed its coordinator after ranking near the bottom, and had a 1-8 streak to finish. If that's progress, it's hard to tell. More like a treadmill.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) Jauron was a trainwreck. Nix and Gaily haven't been any better. Not where it counts. I can pull up stats that show the Bills are dramatically better on offense. Our points per game increased by 6 points from 2010, ranked #9 in the league. I think that's impressive. That isn't all by accident or dumb luck as some like to suggest. But the Bills are not good enough yet to absorb a lot of injuries. Fred Jackson was the #1 offensive player in total yards. Are you telling me losing him should have no impact? So much of what is posted is knee jerk stuff designed to make people crazy. PTR Edited January 4, 2012 by PromoTheRobot
DrDawkinstein Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) What's the change of direction? Was it taking a RB in the first round? No, the Bills had done that plenty of times before. Was it adding solid depth to a roster in dire need of it? Nope. Not that either. Was it towing the company line that has existed since Ralph has owned the team? Yup. And yet I suspect you will not be able to provide even a single shred of evidence or indicia of this so-called improvement. Please, tell me, where is it? It's not in the team's record. It's not even in ticket sales. Both have flatlined or worse under Nix & Co. So where am I to look for this supposed progress? Give me one thing, other than "I know it when I see it." Modrak and Guy, TBD's most hated FO gents, OUT. Doug Whaley, young talent from the most stable franchise in the NFL, IN. Entire Scouting staff (Pro and College) revamped. Hired Gailey, and brought in Wannstedt. Not young up-and-coming coordinators. Between the two, we now have the most knowledgeable Coaching staff the team has seen since Chuck Knox. Tampa-2, OUT. You can B word about the Spiller pick, but he used 6 of the next 8 picks on DL and OL. And Spiller has looked very good in his starts since Jackson's injury. He found guys like Urbick, Pears, and Rhinehart to add to our OL. Found Scott Chandler. Found David Nelson. The 2011 draft doesnt seem to have a miss in it, except for maybe our 7th round pick. No more drafting tweeners. Instead we get big, physical football players. Locked up Kyle Williams long term. Brought in Merriman who, besides bringing a new level of intensity, also helped recruit Nick Barnett. Made a hard push for Clabo, who ended up going with the hometown team. Still proceeded to Lock up our Right Tackle to a good deal where we can still afford to improve the position, but it isnt a dire need. THAT is how you build the DEPTH you want. DEPTH is not built overnight, especially when you first have to find competent starters on a roster void of talent. If you followed the Falcons at all, you'd know that Pears outplayed Clabo this year as well. Up until the injury bug bit halfway through the season, our Offense contained: The Top Rated Passer in the entire league The Top Running Back An OL that allowed the least amount of sacks. Say whatever you want, but the current Bills team would beat Jauron's Bills 45-3. Edit: One more.... WE BEAT THE PATRIOTS! Edited January 4, 2012 by DrDareustein
jcbillsfan Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Modrak and Guy, TBD's most hated FO gents, OUT. Doug Whaley, young talent from the most stable franchise in the NFL, IN. Entire Scouting staff (Pro and College) revamped. Hired Gailey, and brought in Wannstedt. Not young up-and-coming coordinators. Between the two, we now have the most knowledgeable Coaching staff the team has seen since Chuck Knox. Tampa-2, OUT. You can B word about the Spiller pick, but he used 6 of the next 8 picks on DL and OL. And Spiller has looked very good in his starts since Jackson's injury. He found guys like Urbick, Pears, and Rhinehart to add to our OL. Found Scott Chandler. Found David Nelson. The 2011 draft doesnt seem to have a miss in it, except for maybe our 7th round pick. No more drafting tweeners. Instead we get big, physical football players. Locked up Kyle Williams long term. Brought in Merriman who, besides bringing a new level of intensity, also helped recruit Nick Barnett. Made a hard push for Clabo, who ended up going with the hometown team. Still proceeded to Lock up our Right Tackle to a good deal where we can still afford to improve the position, but it isnt a dire need. THAT is how you build the DEPTH you want. DEPTH is not built overnight, especially when you first have to find competent starters on a roster void of talent. If you followed the Falcons at all, you'd know that Pears outplayed Clabo this year as well. Up until the injury bug bit halfway through the season, our Offense contained: The Top Rated Passer in the entire league The Top Running Back An OL that allowed the least amount of sacks. Say whatever you want, but the current Bills team would beat Jauron's Bills 45-3. copy this to paste over and over well said !!!!!!! This came from AP writer John Wawrow's August article about the trade: "Nix didn't handle trade talks, leaving that job with Jim Overdorf, the team's salary cap specialist and senior vice president of football administration." Now, you can quibble about the meaning of this sentence, but when people like Overdorf survive this many regime changes, it makes me wonder who's got the power at OBD. Is he in Nix's chain of command, or does he take orders from elsewhere? Nix and Gailey took a 6-10 team, tore it down, changed defenses, and have improved it to 6-10 after 2 years. Their start is worse than Donahoe's (by a game) and Levy/Jauron (by 4 wins). They have a defense that just changed its coordinator after ranking near the bottom, and had a 1-8 streak to finish. If that's progress, it's hard to tell. More like a treadmill. Wawrow's article was quickly denied by the Bills and no other reporter followed and reported it as fact. what faith do you have in the writers that cover the bills when guys like sal and incarcenrated bob break more stories then the locals
bills_believer Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 I have to question this report, not the idea that it may indeed happen. I cannot think of any decent reason whatsoever that, according to the report, it was announced to the staff that Nix is retiring. IMO, if he is retiring after the draft, the one thing you do not do is announce it to the staff. one, You no longer have any authority. Two, the draft is three months ago and the staff is going to leak the information, and you are going to get all kinds of speculation like this. I doubt very much that Nix announced it to the staff. I also heard a rumor that Whaley is being considered for the Indy job. If that is the case, it could be the reason that Nix is stepping down. The Bills do not want to lose Whaley (if this report is true AND if the Colts want him), so they may have accelerated the taking over the reins progression and offer him the job now. With the Bears and Rams and maybe a couple other GM openings popping up, that could easily be the case. Buddy saying I better step aside now or someone is going to offer Doug the job and he would be a fool not to take it. A little birdie also said there was no announcement like that to the staff, from someone who would know. My reading of it all is, there are rumors going around OBD that Whaley is going to be offered the job after the draft because they have guaranteed it to him and do not want to lose him. I think Buddy will stay on in some capacity. I have no knowledge of either of these things, it's just my opinion. Free agency and the draft are where a GM makes his team. The next four months are where a GM really is going to make his moves. I can't see someone resigning this far ahead of time when he needs the authority to sign free agents and draft players. It doesn't make sense. I am no expert, I didn't see much on the website that gave me the feel that the guys there would have inside information. If the report is true, I think it will come out soom from someone else or Nix will announce it on next Monday. But I doubt it. I would hate to see it personally. I'd like to see him be with Buffalo awhile longer.
stinky finger Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 This team is a mess. Not a lot of talent and even less character. Not one person made the probowl, and a slew of the players we dumped are pro bowl contenders and important parts of playoff teams. We were outcoached through the second half of the season. There is no discipline on the team. Well.....sure.....but....I think we're onto something herre. Well now Ralph can scratch the word "continuity" off his yearly state of the franchise sound bite. You know if we were hiring a new GM, a guy like Doug Whaley who came from a respected organization like the Steelers, would be considered a good hire. But I guess since he already works for the Bills he must be a piece of garbage, right? PTR Whaley must be shaking his frickin' head. Draft picks who are starting on bad football teams don't necessarily make them quality NFL starters. It may just mean there are no better alternatives. well played
BillsVet Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Wawrow's article was quickly denied by the Bills and no other reporter followed and reported it as fact. what faith do you have in the writers that cover the bills when guys like sal and incarcenrated bob break more stories then the locals Even PR master Scott Berchtold knows enough not to admit anything when Buddy sticks his foot in his mouth and lets the cat out of bag. He doesn't have much of a filter as evidenced by his handling of two press conferences in December 2009/January 2010. And for the record, I'm not a reader of the D&C. Besides, Wawrow is an AP guy and I'm sure has sources.
Thoner7 Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Anyone think Gailey may be on a short leeash? If Whaley is more of a Steelers D and running game guy he may not be too happy with the pass happy Gailey.
jumbalaya Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 I have it on good authority Polian is coming back once Nix is gone. so is shane, jimbo, thruman, bruce, andre, biscuit, beebe, lofton, will, etc. how did this team not win 4 superbowls with all that talent?
Delete This Account Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 copy this to paste over and over well said !!!!!!! Wawrow's article was quickly denied by the Bills and no other reporter followed and reported it as fact. what faith do you have in the writers that cover the bills when guys like sal and incarcenrated bob break more stories then the locals it was not. no one questioned the accuracy of that report. no one. and no one has asked for that to be corrected. jw
JTO Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Why would I want him in charge of the draft if he plans on calling it a career right after their last pick. Keep him on to help scout players over the next 4 months, but NO WAY should he be the person deciding who the Bills should be selecting. As the article states he is grooming him and wants to make sure that he covers teaching him about the draft. That's not to say that Doug won't make the selections himself.
Mr. WEO Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 I have to question this report, not the idea that it may indeed happen. I cannot think of any decent reason whatsoever that, according to the report, it was announced to the staff that Nix is retiring. IMO, if he is retiring after the draft, the one thing you do not do is announce it to the staff. one, You no longer have any authority. Two, the draft is three months ago and the staff is going to leak the information, and you are going to get all kinds of speculation like this. I doubt very much that Nix announced it to the staff. I also heard a rumor that Whaley is being considered for the Indy job. If that is the case, it could be the reason that Nix is stepping down. The Bills do not want to lose Whaley (if this report is true AND if the Colts want him), so they may have accelerated the taking over the reins progression and offer him the job now. With the Bears and Rams and maybe a couple other GM openings popping up, that could easily be the case. Buddy saying I better step aside now or someone is going to offer Doug the job and he would be a fool not to take it. A little birdie also said there was no announcement like that to the staff, from someone who would know. My reading of it all is, there are rumors going around OBD that Whaley is going to be offered the job after the draft because they have guaranteed it to him and do not want to lose him. I think Buddy will stay on in some capacity. I have no knowledge of either of these things, it's just my opinion. If Whaley is offered the Colts job, there will just a tiny puff of smoke indicating where he was last standing in Buffalo. Some papers softly falling to the ground and the faint squeal of tires from the parking lot.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 I can pull up stats that show the Bills are dramatically better on offense. Our points per game increased by 6 points from 2010, ranked #9 in the league. I think that's impressive. One would certainly hope that Gailey could do better than the cluster!@#$ offenses that Jauron had including the no-huddle dumpster fire that Schonert try to implement before he was sent packing and was replaced with a guy that was a quality control coach a year prior.
Wing Man Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Modrak and Guy, TBD's most hated FO gents, OUT. Doug Whaley, young talent from the most stable franchise in the NFL, IN. Entire Scouting staff (Pro and College) revamped. Hired Gailey, and brought in Wannstedt. Not young up-and-coming coordinators. Between the two, we now have the most knowledgeable Coaching staff the team has seen since Chuck Knox. Tampa-2, OUT. You can B word about the Spiller pick, but he used 6 of the next 8 picks on DL and OL. And Spiller has looked very good in his starts since Jackson's injury. He found guys like Urbick, Pears, and Rhinehart to add to our OL. Found Scott Chandler. Found David Nelson. The 2011 draft doesnt seem to have a miss in it, except for maybe our 7th round pick. No more drafting tweeners. Instead we get big, physical football players. Locked up Kyle Williams long term. Brought in Merriman who, besides bringing a new level of intensity, also helped recruit Nick Barnett. Made a hard push for Clabo, who ended up going with the hometown team. Still proceeded to Lock up our Right Tackle to a good deal where we can still afford to improve the position, but it isnt a dire need. THAT is how you build the DEPTH you want. DEPTH is not built overnight, especially when you first have to find competent starters on a roster void of talent. If you followed the Falcons at all, you'd know that Pears outplayed Clabo this year as well. Up until the injury bug bit halfway through the season, our Offense contained: The Top Rated Passer in the entire league The Top Running Back An OL that allowed the least amount of sacks. Say whatever you want, but the current Bills team would beat Jauron's Bills 45-3. Edit: One more.... WE BEAT THE PATRIOTS! Slam Dunk. :worthy: +1
DrDawkinstein Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 One would certainly hope that Gailey could do better than the cluster!@#$ offenses that Jauron had including the no-huddle dumpster fire that Schonert try to implement before he was sent packing and was replaced with a guy that was a quality control coach a year prior. And he did. So evidence right there that the team is improving. Dont dismiss Gailey based on how bad the guys were before him. The Offense put up good numbers, not just "better".
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