Ramius Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I realize that, which is why I would keep him on to finish up the scouting and grading of players, but when it comes time to decide what players should be selected for the team going forward(which he will not be a part of), I'd rather have Whaley be the guys making the picks(That is, if this article is true). Well thats fine then. However, i always got the feeling that since TD left, the Bills war room has ben run by a consensus approach. Hopefully that will change under Whaley. I don't mind coaches/scouts/etc all having valuable input, but ultimately there should be one voice picking up the phone and calling NY. (of course, this has been the case, but the problem has been that the one voice was ralphie's) My biggest hope with Whaley is that he's more willing to do some wheeling and dealing on draft day. I'm not saying trade for the sake of trading like belicheat does, but there are plenty of times when a trade up or down could prove to be very resourceful.
CosmicBills Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Well thats fine then. However, i always got the feeling that since TD left, the Bills war room has ben run by a consensus approach. Hopefully that will change under Whaley. I don't mind coaches/scouts/etc all having valuable input, but ultimately there should be one voice picking up the phone and calling NY. (of course, this has been the case, but the problem has been that the one voice was ralphie's) My biggest hope with Whaley is that he's more willing to do some wheeling and dealing on draft day. I'm not saying trade for the sake of trading like belicheat does, but there are plenty of times when a trade up or down could prove to be very resourceful. That won't happen unless Ralph is gone. This franchise is stuck in the stone age when it comes to coaching, front office personnel and talent. And it all starts at the top.
Toshiero Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.buffalowins.com/buffalo-bills/articles/source-buddy-nix-to-retire-after-2012-nfl-draft.html Whaley taking over after... Please God let this be true! Hell let the kid from Pittsburgh run THIS draft and do it Pittsburgh style
purple haze Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Unclear,why he tool the job in the first place. A 2 year GM sounds like Marv Levy. Whaley will hopefully be able to construct a roster sans dumpster UDFA's He took the job to help get the organization "organized" and going in the right direction. Whaley was brought in soon after. It was fairly clear that Nix was not going to be there for long and Whaley was the one being groomed to take over. Nix retiring isn't a surprise. And some of those UDFA's have been decent players. 2011 draft picks played well at times and look good going forward. Spiller, I need say no more. Nix has done what he was brought in to do as well as help train his replacement, a man who is 40 or 41. So no more Bills senior citizens jokes on the boards. Please God let this be true! Hell let the kid from Pittsburgh run THIS draft and do it Pittsburgh style What do you think they've been doing? They've drafted a lot on both lines. They've drafted defense. They've taken chances with playmakers (Spiller/Santonio Holmes). Bills are on the right track. It's been 12 years for the fans. It's been two for Nix and co. And they had to start almost from scratch.
Best Player Available Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 My biggest hope with Whaley is that he's more willing to do some wheeling and dealing on draft day. I'm not saying trade for the sake of trading like belicheat does, but there are plenty of times when a trade up or down could prove to be very resourceful. Man would that approach be a breath of fresh air. Not just doing it, but having a capable mind knowing it's always an option.
purple haze Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 My biggest hope with Whaley is that he's more willing to do some wheeling and dealing on draft day. I'm not saying trade for the sake of trading like belicheat does, but there are plenty of times when a trade up or down could prove to be very resourceful. Go back and watch Whaley's interview on the Bills' website. He already said he and Nix's philosohpy is similar.
jcbillsfan Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) Unclear,why he tool the job in the first place. A 2 year GM sounds like Marv Levy. Whaley will hopefully be able to construct a roster sans dumpster UDFA's Buddy did a great job he cleaned out modrak and his crew and completly overhauled the scouting department brought in a young up and commer to groom as a replacement basically he built an entire operation in two years, now if we can just be a little patience He took the job to help get the organization "organized" and going in the right direction. Whaley was brought in soon after. It was fairly clear that Nix was not going to be there for long and Whaley was the one being groomed to take over. Nix retiring isn't a surprise. And some of those UDFA's have been decent players. 2011 draft picks played well at times and look good going forward. Spiller, I need say no more. Nix has done what he was brought in to do as well as help train his replacement, a man who is 40 or 41. So no more Bills senior citizens jokes on the boards. What do you think they've been doing? They've drafted a lot on both lines. They've drafted defense. They've taken chances with playmakers (Spiller/Santonio Holmes). Bills are on the right track. It's been 12 years for the fans. It's been two for Nix and co. And they had to start almost from scratch. that was the plan from day one. It takes so time That won't happen unless Ralph is gone. This franchise is stuck in the stone age when it comes to coaching, front office personnel and talent. And it all starts at the top. bases on what ? Well thats fine then. However, i always got the feeling that since TD left, the Bills war room has ben run by a consensus approach. Hopefully that will change under Whaley. I don't mind coaches/scouts/etc all having valuable input, but ultimately there should be one voice picking up the phone and calling NY. (of course, this has been the case, but the problem has been that the one voice was ralphie's) My biggest hope with Whaley is that he's more willing to do some wheeling and dealing on draft day. I'm not saying trade for the sake of trading like belicheat does, but there are plenty of times when a trade up or down could prove to be very resourceful. I Don't think for a minute that Buddy didn't pcik the player he wanted Edited January 3, 2012 by jcbillsfan
purple haze Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Well for starters one would hope Doug Whaley will have a different philosophy Than Buddy Hix. I would call that more in the "change" category. I doubt he shared Buddy philosophy or I should say I hope he didn't. Nix was a waste of 2 years IMO. Just like Levy was. First, Watch Whaley's interview from last year on the Bills website. He already said him and Nix have similar philosophy about draft picks and building through the draft to create a sustained, strong team. Second, how was Nix a waste of two years? Spiller is the goods, Carrington starts, Nelson plays as much as a starter, Dareus, Williams, Sheppard, Hairston, Searcy all started games and looked good at times or better. Rogers got a lot of time and looked good. Johnny and Chris White were both contributors on special teams. That's a lot of draft picks making contributions pretty much right away. He signed Urbik and Rhinehart off practice squads. Both of them were 3rd round picks. Urbik starts and plays fairly well at two positions. Rhinehart is decent depth. He signed Pears. Pears held up fairly well. You aren't paying attention. Stop getting caught up in the 12 year playoff drought. Nix was in charge for two years. And there are a lot of players going forward who look like they can play. Remember how the team was when he got there? There was a lot of turnover that had to happen. Rebuilds take time. The 10 years before he got there aren't his fault.
CosmicBills Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 bases on what ? Um, 51 years of operational ineptitude.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Buddy did a great job he cleaned out modrak and his crew and completly overhauled the scouting department brought in a young up and commer to groom to replacement basically he built an entire operationn in two years, not if we can just be a little patience Unfortunately, this type of insight is lost on the Madden-playing Mouth-breathers of TBD who expect an entire franchise to be rebuilt in 8 months. Anyone who cant see the change of direction from the time Nix took over is too entrenched in their own misery.
snamsnoops Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) Are you referring to new ownership? I do not see a top flight gm or top flight coaching staff in Buffalo until there is a change in ownership. You just put an add in the B-Lo news and wa la U have "top flight gm or top flight coaching staff in Buffalo " it is so easy i just dont understand this organization. Everyone else knows how to fix the problem just not 1BD Draft picks who are starting on bad football teams don't necessarily make them quality NFL starters. It may just mean there are no better alternatives. Injuries make starters! Edited January 3, 2012 by snamsnoops
CosmicBills Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Unfortunately, this type of insight is lost on the Madden-playing Mouth-breathers of TBD who expect an entire franchise to be rebuilt in 8 months. Anyone who cant see the change of direction from the time Nix took over is too entrenched in their own misery. What's the change of direction? Was it taking a RB in the first round? No, the Bills had done that plenty of times before. Was it adding solid depth to a roster in dire need of it? Nope. Not that either. Was it towing the company line that has existed since Ralph has owned the team? Yup.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Unfortunately, this type of insight is lost on the Madden-playing Mouth-breathers of TBD who expect an entire franchise to be rebuilt in 8 months. Anyone who cant see the change of direction from the time Nix took over is too entrenched in their own misery. And yet I suspect you will not be able to provide even a single shred of evidence or indicia of this so-called improvement. Please, tell me, where is it? It's not in the team's record. It's not even in ticket sales. Both have flatlined or worse under Nix & Co. So where am I to look for this supposed progress? Give me one thing, other than "I know it when I see it."
jcbillsfan Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Um, 51 years of operational ineptitude. i think buddy was here like 18 months .
CosmicBills Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 i think buddy was here like 18 months . Yup. And he did nothing to make this team better. Because Ralph and his cronies are still very much in charge.
QCity Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 What's the change of direction? Was it taking a RB in the first round? No, the Bills had done that plenty of times before. Was it adding solid depth to a roster in dire need of it? Nope. Not that either. Was it towing the company line that has existed since Ralph has owned the team? The change of direction was to bring in big, physical players (not a small, fast team like Jauron built to play in a dome) on both sides of the lines. Depth? You have to get starting players before you can have depth lol. So what is the company line? I'm curious. Unfortunately, this type of insight is lost on the Madden-playing Mouth-breathers of TBD who expect an entire franchise to be rebuilt in 8 months. Anyone who cant see the change of direction from the time Nix took over is too entrenched in their own misery. Probably could have saved myself a minute of typing by reading this first.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Yup. And he did nothing to make this team better. Because Ralph and his cronies are still very much in charge. Nothing? Not one thing is better on the Bills since Dick(less) Jauron? I know we are disappointed but let's not lose our grip on reality. PTR
jcbillsfan Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Yup. And he did nothing to make this team better. Because Ralph and his cronies are still very much in charge. it takes time. the foundation is built, the walls are going up the house will be built
CosmicBills Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Nothing? Not one thing is better on the Bills since Dick(less) Jauron? I know we are disappointed but let's not lose our grip on reality. PTR Better than DJ? Shouldn't we aim a little higher than JUST being better than Jauron? Then again, in this case, there hasn't even been any improvement. DJ won 7 games multiple times and finished second in the AFC East. Jauron was a trainwreck. Nix and Gaily haven't been any better. Not where it counts. At some point you have to realize the problem isn't the coaches or GMs. It's the owner. The fish rots from the head, and this franchise has been the laughing stock of the NFL for over a decade. And you defend it.
BillsVet Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Yup. And he did nothing to make this team better. Because Ralph and his cronies are still very much in charge. Say what you will about the player, but when Nix admitted he didn't have a lot to do with the Evans trade, it spoke volumes. New HC, GM, DC, ticket seller, whatever. It's still the same people with the marionettes. It would take a Ted Thompson/Kevin Colbert/Tom Dimitroff effort for the next 3 drafts to overcome that sort of interference from on-high.
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