K-9 Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I get the distinct impression Polian was candid with Irsay and flat out suggested that Manning be let go and let the rebuild begin with Luck. But Irsay is too loyal to Manning and all that he brought to Indy and Polian was shown the door. I don't think they'll select Luck number one overall and, with a good chance that the Rams pass (and perhaps Minny,too), there could be some major movement at the top of the draft board. Either by teams in a frenzy to make deals to climb up or for the unexpected fall of Luck to perhaps three or four. What say The Wall? GO BILLS!!!
808 Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 we should discuss whos getting picked 2nd. luck is going 1st. and why would you pass on luck if your the colts? cause good QB play for 20+ years is a bad thing. they dont even know if manning will be able to play again.
maddenboy Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) Luck is going first, whether its to the Colts or some other team. Colts' new GM might trade the pick (to a team that will definitely take Luck) or else he will draft Luck himself. Why the hell would a new GM keep the first pick and draft anyone else? Stupid. Edited January 3, 2012 by maddenboy
K-9 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Posted January 3, 2012 we should discuss whos getting picked 2nd. luck is going 1st. and why would you pass on luck if your the colts? cause good QB play for 20+ years is a bad thing. they dont even know if manning will be able to play again. I know that. You know that. And Polian certainly knows that. I'm saying Irsay and Manning are so tight that if Manning says no to Luck then Irsay will, too. I can see Manning convincing Irsay to trade the pick for all sorts of help at other positions. That's a weird and volatile situation in Indy at the moment. I can see Polian demanding the release of Manning to save that $30m plus roster bonus and Irsay digging in his heals and telling Polian to take a hike. We've had previous reports a few weeks back with Archie floating the idea that neither Peyton or Luck would be happy with the situation. I predict that if the Colts DON'T trade the pick, then Luck won't go to the Colts #1 overall. There is more to the Polian firing than meets the eye and I think it has to do with the Luck question. Irsay showed where his loyalties lie. GO BILLS!!! Luck is going first, whether its to the Colts or some other team. Colts' new GM might trade the pick (to a team that will definitely take Luck) or else he will draft Luck himself. Why the hell would a new GM keep the first pick and draft anyone else? Stupid. I see a trade happening as well. That makes the most sense. BUT, if a trade CAN'T be worked out, I can see the Colts passing just because Manning wants it that way. And I think teams willing to trade up to #1 will be able to sense that as well. GO BILLS!!!
mjt328 Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Luck is going first, whether its to the Colts or some other team. Colts' new GM might trade the pick (to a team that will definitely take Luck) or else he will draft Luck himself. Why the hell would a new GM keep the first pick and draft anyone else? Stupid. This. Somebody will be willing to make the trade (especially with the rookie salary cap in place now). The only thing that keeps Luck from going #1 is a freak accident between now and April.
aristocrat Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I think its more of getting fired because the team shouldn't rely so heavily on the qb position. If polian had built any type of supportive cast manning would have so many rings. That team flat couldn't compete without manning which is scary. Luck is good but if he spends the first year or two losing and getting pounded in the ground he could flame out. If the colts sell the first pick and get multiple first and second rounders which turn out to be good picks they could be good for 4 more years behind manning and the colts could develop a qb behind him in the meantime. The skins have been known to be crazy and could trade the farm for luck. The colts would still get a top ten pick, plus have two more picks in the top 40, then have a first and maybe more next year.
K-9 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) I think its more of getting fired because the team shouldn't rely so heavily on the qb position. If polian had built any type of supportive cast manning would have so many rings. That team flat couldn't compete without manning which is scary. Luck is good but if he spends the first year or two losing and getting pounded in the ground he could flame out. If the colts sell the first pick and get multiple first and second rounders which turn out to be good picks they could be good for 4 more years behind manning and the colts could develop a qb behind him in the meantime. The skins have been known to be crazy and could trade the farm for luck. The colts would still get a top ten pick, plus have two more picks in the top 40, then have a first and maybe more next year. Like I said, that makes the most sense to me, a trade. However, I think Polian wanted to release Manning, take Luck, and let the rebuild begin. I've had the sense all along that Polian was never convinced Manning has much more football left in him. Let alone four years. Irsay has this weird loyalty to Manning and is willing to roll the dice on him whereas Polian refused and got himself fired. GO BILLS!!! Edited January 3, 2012 by K-9
jad1 Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I get the distinct impression Polian was candid with Irsay and flat out suggested that Manning be let go and let the rebuild begin with Luck. But Irsay is too loyal to Manning and all that he brought to Indy and Polian was shown the door. I don't think they'll select Luck number one overall and, with a good chance that the Rams pass (and perhaps Minny,too), there could be some major movement at the top of the draft board. Either by teams in a frenzy to make deals to climb up or for the unexpected fall of Luck to perhaps three or four. What say The Wall? GO BILLS!!! Or Irsay wanted to go with Luck and Polian wanted to stick with Manning. Polian isn't a young man anymore; he might have wanted to ride Manning on one more SB run before retiring.
RealityCheck Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Could Polian getting fired have anything to do with going from playoff lock to worst in the NFL in one season because of one injury?
stinky finger Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Could Polian getting fired have anything to do with going from playoff lock to worst in the NFL in one season because of one injury? No way. There must be a philosophical difference. Most likely the QB situation and what to do moving forward.
K-9 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Posted January 3, 2012 Or Irsay wanted to go with Luck and Polian wanted to stick with Manning. Polian isn't a young man anymore; he might have wanted to ride Manning on one more SB run before retiring. True, Bill isn't a young man but his son certainly is. And Chris Polian has been assuming more and more of a role the last few years. I can see Bill Polian wanting to cut Manning, save $30m plus, draft Luck, and let his son make his own legacy with a potential HOF QB of his own. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what comes out in the wash the next couple weeks. GO BILLS!!!
Mr_Blizzard Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I get the distinct impression Polian was candid with Irsay and flat out suggested that Manning be let go and let the rebuild begin with Luck. But Irsay is too loyal to Manning and all that he brought to Indy and Polian was shown the door. I don't think they'll select Luck number one overall and, with a good chance that the Rams pass (and perhaps Minny,too), there could be some major movement at the top of the draft board. Either by teams in a frenzy to make deals to climb up or for the unexpected fall of Luck to perhaps three or four. What say The Wall? GO BILLS!!! I think that Indy trades the pick away for a high 1st and 2nd in this draft, possibly a player or another pick this year, and definitely a 1st and ?? in 2013. I don't think they move down more than half a dozen picks, unless they subsequently trade THAT 1st round pick for another team's 1st and ?? picks. Indy could essentially rebuild the Colts this year if they play their cards correctly. They were fortunate that Luck waited till this year to come out.
Gotta Dream Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I think its more of getting fired because the team shouldn't rely so heavily on the qb position. If polian had built any type of supportive cast manning would have so many rings. That team flat couldn't compete without manning which is scary. Luck is good but if he spends the first year or two losing and getting pounded in the ground he could flame out. If the colts sell the first pick and get multiple first and second rounders which turn out to be good picks they could be good for 4 more years behind manning and the colts could develop a qb behind him in the meantime. The skins have been known to be crazy and could trade the farm for luck. The colts would still get a top ten pick, plus have two more picks in the top 40, then have a first and maybe more next year. When one position is making $18 million a year towards the cap, each draft has to be almost perfect. Hard for anyone to be THAT good. But Polian was good for us and for the Colts. Wish we could have him run our front office.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I'm having a waking nightmare where the Folphins hire Jeff Fisher and trade up for Luck...
217014170 Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) I think you have it backwards. Irsay is declaring a "new era" by dismissing the Polians. The Manning/Polian era is over. They will purge salary - Manning, Mathis, Wayne, etc. - and hand the ball to Luck. I also think Irsay has a GM in mind as he has stated his intentions to let the new GM make the coaching staff decisions. The one guy we should get if he becomes available is Jon Torine, the current Colts Strength and Conditioning coach. When Polian took over in Indy he called Rusty Jones and asked for a recommendation; Torine was Jones's assistant at the time. Polian interviewed him at the combine, hired him, and he has been there for 14 years. "Clearly we're in a rebuilding stage," Irsay said. "There's no sugar-coating that. The decisions coming up are crucial." Edited January 3, 2012 by 217014170
thewildrabbit Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) I'm having a waking nightmare where the Folphins hire Jeff Fisher and trade up for Luck... Jeff Ireland is still there, they aren't gonna get better this year....morons never change their spots kinda like the Bi... err nvm The Colts however, the OP has a point and that point has already been pointed out by PFT. whats interesting about the Indy situation and Jim Caldwell is where did Caldwell come from in the first place? He was Payton Manning s QB coach, when have you ever heard about a QB coach becoming a HC before even being an OC? He made a few serious blunders 2 years ago, and completely screwed th pooch this year at 2-14, but he is Payton's "buddie". So it remains to be seen if he stays! The other point is that #1 draft choice and Andrew Luck. If you heard Payton's dad, Archie Manning talk about that situation he stated it simply wouldn't work because both QB's will want to play next year, So..... Edited January 3, 2012 by Fear the Beard
Mr. WEO Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 So the Colts would NOT pick a QB at number 1 (Luck?), but instead would trade the number 1...because their aging QB (who no one knows wont snap his C-spine on first contact next year) told Irsay not to? I would have fired Polian on the spot--if he came up with this suggestion. Holy cow, how do the Colts come out of the draft without their next franchise QB?? There would be blood in the streets! Look what happened this year--did anyone in the Colts organization know that Manning would not be able to play this season? I say they did not--they got caught with their pants down. Why is anyone in that organization listening to MAnning?? Who thinks Manning has another SB in him? Time to move on. And how does Chauncey Gardener still have his job as HC?
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I thought it signaled the opposite. Bring in someone new with no loyalties to Manning and he can clean house and start over.
K-9 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Posted January 3, 2012 I thought it signaled the opposite. Bring in someone new with no loyalties to Manning and he can clean house and start over. We'll see. That's certainly possible. But I've always had the impression that Irsay had far more loyalty to Manning than Polian. And I can just see the irascible Polian telling Irsay to cut Manning and Irsay refusing to do so. Just a hunch. GO BILLS!!!
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Could Polian getting fired have anything to do with going from playoff lock to worst in the NFL in one season because of one injury? I personally think the Polian firings have more to do with the recent past than differences in the future direction. No way. There must be a philosophical difference. Most likely the QB situation and what to do moving forward. I disagree with you and K-9 this time. Polian's drafts have been getting worse over the last 5-6 years… he's been living off his reputation. People around the league are wondering why a quarterback as great as Peyton Manning has won only one Super Bowl. It seems clear to me anyways that the answer is that Polian(s) didn't build a good enough team around Manning. Finally, I'm sure the Irsay's were not thrilled to be paying Manning for the first year of his new contract this year, $17 million, without him playing a single down of football. Apparently Polian did this new deal with Manning without even requiring that Manning pass a physical exam. And this isn't even going into the nepotism and succession plan involving the younger Polian. Doesn't anyone remember two years ago when there was a move here to hire Chris Polian as our new GM and within one week, the Colts signed him to a long term deal that accompanied by the news that he would succeed his father when Bill retired in a few years? So now the Irsays are paying big money to two Polians while the performance of the front office has been deteriorating amidst nepotism? No, I think they were fired for recent past sins, not a difference in philosophy going forward. JMO.
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