HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Well there in lies the problem. The inconsisstency of when and where they are called. That's an issue for the league, not for Chan. Because SJ had already received one penalty this year (Jets) and there were tweets before the game indicating he knew he might be fined, one has to conclude he knew he was walking the line. Whereas, Clay Matthews having done the same celebration multiple times can be pretty sure he is in the clear. If you are arguing that the league should lighten up on celebrations with a prop, I have mixed feelings. A Happy New Year T-Shirt is not a big deal to me. Neither is Why So Serious for that matter, nor do I think that (for example) someone making a camera motion with the ball is a big deal, nor for that matter signing it with a Sharpie. Pulling out a cell phone and making a call before reaching the sidelines seems like a bit much. On the other hand, the examples of running to the middle of the field and freaking out seem over the top. The main problem is, drawing a line is not that easy. For now, there is a line drawn: No celebrations where you fall down in the end zone and no celebrations using a prop until you get back to the sideline (apparently). Not my favorite rule but it is a rule. Any reason SJ could not have run over to the Bills' sideline, then pulled up his shirt???
Dan Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 The biggest problem with his antics is it disracts everyone from the real problem on this team... a defense that gave up 40points to a divisional opponent. Stevie was stupid to do it. Chan made a point, in a meaningless game, that his behavior wouldn't be allowed. But the real problem is... we finished another pathetic season with another pathetic team-wide effort.
BRH Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 The League told players that flashing scrawling on their T-shirts was not going to be tolerated. That didn't seem to be received by how many players exactly? Exactly. How many other players have flashed t-shirt messages this year? Arguing over what is worse is pointless. The point is what is legal. Stevie doesn't care.
Wayne Cubed Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Except they DID change the rule, and it seems that the ONLY player in the league to not get the memo was SJ. I dont blame you as I dont think you are CC'ed on NFL memos. He either purposely didnt care, or didnt care enough to learn the rules. Either way, its on SJ. Well then I blame SJ and myself for not getting that memo. But honestly what consituits a prop. Why isn't a football considered one, when they dunk on the goal post. That's an issue for the league, not for Chan. Because SJ had already received one penalty this year (Jets) and there were tweets before the game indicating he knew he might be fined, one has to conclude he knew he was walking the line. Whereas, Clay Matthews having done the same celebration multiple times can be pretty sure he is in the clear. If you are arguing that the league should lighten up on celebrations with a prop, I have mixed feelings. A Happy New Year T-Shirt is not a big deal to me. Neither is Why So Serious for that matter, nor do I think that (for example) someone making a camera motion with the ball is a big deal, nor for that matter signing it with a Sharpie. Pulling out a cell phone and making a call before reaching the sidelines seems like a bit much. On the other hand, the examples of running to the middle of the field and freaking out seem over the top. The main problem is, drawing a line is not that easy. For now, there is a line drawn: No celebrations where you fall down in the end zone and no celebrations using a prop until you get back to the sideline (apparently). Not my favorite rule but it is a rule. Any reason SJ could not have run over to the Bills' sideline, then pulled up his shirt??? I didn't start the argument about the celebration, it was about the "me-first" attitude that one poster said doesn't happen on other teams. Which IMO unless the team is doing a line dance together, every celebration is a me-first one. Edited January 1, 2012 by Wayne333
BRH Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Well then I blame SJ and myself for not getting that memo. But honestly what consituits a prop. Why isn't a football considered one, when they dunk on the goal post. Mike Pereira already tweeted today that the goalpost dunk and Lambeau Leap are "grandfathered." Which is completely stupid, of course, but is also the rule. As players, theirs is not to reason why. Theirs is to follow the GD rules.
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 But he wasn't penalized last year. And what exactly is a prop. A football. A goalpost. Jumping into fans. Sometimes, players are not penalized for holding either. That does not mean it should never be called. Also, wasn't he fined (not penalized), where a fine usually indicates the league thought it should have been a penalty? Sometimes, players are penalized for "driving" Tom Brady into the ground when all they did is shove him. That is a bad call, but does not mean actually driving a quarterback into the ground is OK. The rules actually explicitly allow certain celebrations including jumping into fans (which I think is fine). Apparently, dunking the ball is allowed as well (I think it should not be). If you use a goalpost and ball to simulate filming the Pats, that can be fined. Even though it is funny.
BRH Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 And I'm missing something. Did Stevie actually tweet pregame that he might be fined?
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Mike Pereira already tweeted today that the goalpost dunk and Lambeau Leap are "grandfathered." Which is completely stupid, of course, but is also the rule. As players, theirs is not to reason why. Theirs is to follow the GD rules. They should probably change the rule on dunking, but for now it is allowed. The leap however cannot be considered a prop, in my opinion, and is really not just a Green Bay tradition. It should remain allowed.
BRH Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 They should probably change the rule on dunking, but for now it is allowed. The leap however cannot be considered a prop, in my opinion, and is really not just a Green Bay tradition. It should remain allowed. When a little kid gets hurt because 250 pounds of player and pads landed on him, you'll see the Leap go to the ash heap pretty damn quick.
NoSaint Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Well then I blame SJ and myself for not getting that memo. But honestly what consituits a prop. Why isn't a football considered one, when they dunk on the goal post. I didn't start the argument about the celebration, it was about the "me-first" attitude that one poster said doesn't happen on other teams. Which IMO unless the team is doing a line dance together, every celebration is a me-first one. The dunk, spikes, and the leap are specifically written in as acceptable. Just because you don't know the rule 100% doesn't mean it's not well defined. Instead of arguing here, I encourage you to look it up.
BRH Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Any celebration that by definition merits a penalty is a me-first celebration.
Billsinfla Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 He's an embarrassment to the Bills organization and an insult to his teammates. This thread is about Stevie, not Chan.
Wayne Cubed Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 The dunk, spikes, and the leap are specifically written in as acceptable. Just because you don't know the rule 100% doesn't mean it's not well defined. Instead of arguing here, I encourage you to look it up. Thanks, I understand that they are grandfathered in. My point is they are, in essence, props for props sake, are they not. Writing "happy new years" on a shirt does no harm to anyone... yet jumping on some fans very well could. What happens when one fan takes it to far when a player jumps in the stands. The problem is inconsistency IMO.
Lurker Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that Stevie is back in Buffalo next season. The explicit disregard for a coach's directive was an "I'm out of here" move if ever there was one...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Thanks, I understand that they are grandfathered in. My point is they are, in essence, props for props sake, are they not. Writing "happy new years" on a shirt does no harm to anyone... yet jumping on some fans very well could. What happens when one fan takes it to far when a player jumps in the stands. The problem is inconsistency IMO. It's not a good rule. What would be a better rule? Do we want referees to have to judge the content of T-shirts. Happy New Year is OK. "F You Rex Ryan" is not. "Why So Serious?" is. "I like feet, too" is not. Where do you draw the line?
MRM33064 Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 The explicit disregard for a coach's directive was an "I'm out of here" move if ever there was one... Either that, or he's got the intellectual muscle of a jelly doughnut. Either is equally plausible.
Lurker Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 There is no need to let talent walk. Yeah, that whole "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" thing is important to remember...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Bring your ranting and raving here folks! And just so y'all know, I am completely done with all the flaming and name-calling I've been dealing with today. I'm currently passing out vacations like Halloween candy so if yo can't keep it civil, find another board. Wow ! This thread brought on responses fast. So without reading all of them, here is my $0.025 (because I am half a cent smarter than everyone else) - Stevie can get open against some of the best CBs in the league - His occasional childish behavior can be corrected. Those who disagree have never raised teens. He does not get into trouble with the law, a much more serious situation IMHO (ref: Lynch, Marshawn) - The only flaw I see in SJ is his dropsies but they seem to be few and far in-between. Granted they probably cost us two games but the solution may be to get another WR (who we need in the worst way, anyway) and target that WR or Nelson during clutch moments My opinion is that he is like a petulant child who can be disciplined into not causing stupid penalties. He seems dedicated to the sport and hence I am confident he can mend his ways. Re-sign him for a $6-$8 M/year.
Best Player Available Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 The explicit disregard for a coach's directive was an "I'm out of here" move if ever there was one... Would like to know what words were exchanged on the sideline. Those could be key too his benching, and future here.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Would like to know what words were exchanged on the sideline. Those could be key too his benching, and future here. Shortly after what must have been his benching discussion, they showed George Wilson talking to Stevie. George looked pretty POed, but it's tough to tell if it was at Stevie (hopefully) or the coaches (George is the team's player rep after all).
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