Fan in Chicago Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 I'm pretty sure Nix can outsmart SJ and his agent w/out breaking a sweat. Just slap the "non-exclusive" franchise tag on him - then the Bills just have to offer a 1-year deal equivavlent to the average of the top 5 WR salaries for the previous year. Johnson would be free to negotiate w/other teams, but the Bills can choose to match any offer - and will receive 2 first-round draft picks as compensation if they choose not to match. (Personally, I'd rather have the 2 first-round picks!) I am all for protecting the team from his stupidity. Yours may not be a bad idea and neither is Beerball's (team fine if more incidents). As I said very early in this thread, these problems are fixable IMHO. A little tough love, as was shown to him by yesterday's benching, should fix the problem. Your suggestion basically gives him another year to prove that he can mend his ways. Look, I think he is stupid but not a criminal. And we need to get (at least one) another stud WR anyway. And the team should not get rid of everyone who is not a perfect team player. These are athletes, a majority of who are not the smartest guys in the room. You are going to get the insolent brats with the pretty boys. The job of the coach is to be part teacher, part disciplinarian and part psychologist. Keep SJ and protect against the downsides.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Maybe this is Stevie's way to get himself out of Buffalo. He may not want to be here next year and figures the more he does dumb stuff the easier it will be for the Bills to let him walk. Would you want to play for a losing franchise that shows absolutely no effort to get better? The owner sucks, the coach sucks and his QB sucks. He knows if he stays in Buffalo his chances of winning even a playoff spot are slim. I hope they resign him, but if he goes somewhere else I can't wait to see how he might tear it up on a real team. Could you see him w Brady.....he would be unstopable. Just my opinion, in NE Stevie would be nearly invisible...just like Ocho NE is a system team and relies upon a thick and beefy playbook with situational variations, and players who will assimilate it until its second nature.
EndZoneCrew Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 All these folks saying that the Bills cannot afford to lose SJ. Im sorry...what is their record of success WITH him? So the Lions should have gotten rid of Calvin Johnson at the end of last year. I mean really, what was their record WITH him???? Dumb logic like that is why this team continues to suck. You have to keep decent players and compliment them. Not lose players and replace them!!!
Observer Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Keep disciplining him. Yes. Ge rid of him. No. He's a bit of a knucklehead, not a team cancer. Edited January 2, 2012 by Observer
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 IMO it's worse than what you suggest. It isn't that it wasn't a penalty last season than this season it was. To last year's crew it wasn't a penalty and to this crew (back judge) it was. I looked through all of the rule changes and there weren't any to unsportsmanlike conduct. This is a simple interpretation by one guy. To him the writing on the shirt was a prop. It's pretty hard to argue that it wasn't premeditated, is it not? That the official didn't see it last year and was looking for it this year (and were so instructed as they missed it last year), shouldn't really be that big of a surprise. Well, maybe to Stevie and his apologists.
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 All these folks saying that the Bills cannot afford to lose SJ. Im sorry...what is their record of success WITH him? What is their record of success with Marcel Dareus? #worstlogicever
NewEra Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 1325514573[/url]' post='2351750']You again put words in my mouth. I did not say those elite players had to win Championships. I said they had to produce on a high level. That can be at any point during the game schedule. I most certainly have not been proven wrong because the supporting material you brought to the table to counter my argument is not relevant in the least. When I say "ten cent head" I mean the type of player with ability and a primadonna attitude, but have never produced when the game is on the line to back up the big talk and other antics. Get it now? OH, THAT'S what ten cent head means??!?!! Yeah I get it now.....
NoSaint Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 If he wasn't given a penalthy for the why so serious .....the refs should not have gaven him a penalty...for happy new new year..... What if last year was the wrong call?
Lurker Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 and will receive 2 first-round draft picks as compensation if they choose not to match. The only GM's that would give up two first round picks for SJ are playing Madden in their mom's basement...
Bufcomments Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Gailey probably lost more respect from the players in the locker room for the benching. Players want to win, and you don't earn respect from vets and rooks for benching one of your better players for a relatively innocuous play. Gailey showed that his ego/pride is more important than winning, and that sentiment will definitely resonate with the players. I disagree. He most likely told the WHOLE team anybody that gets a 15 yd unsportsmanlike penalty would get benched . Stevie broke a team rule got benched. I would think that he would loss cred if he did not bench him.
EldaBillsFan Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Please don't lock this post... Its about the lack of consistency in the NFL and officiating.... We have LB's and DE's ....doing sack dances.... example (the pee-wee herman).... no penalty or nuffin WR's doing the chacha.... WR's talking smack to the opposing crowd ...no penalty..... TE's spiking and Dunking Footballs....no penalty...... But stevie johnson ...... with a 15 yard penalty for a shirt that says "happy new year"...btw: the why so serious didn't get a penalty.... It wasn't obscene, it wasn't taunting, it didn't delay the game ...... instead of limiting what is an okay celebration.... the NFL might as well as end celebration all together .... because I'm not clear what is okay and what's not anymore
Geno Smith's Arm Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Please don't lock this post... Its about the lack of consistency in the NFL and officiating.... We have LB's and DE's ....doing sack dances.... example (the pee-wee herman).... no penalty or nuffin WR's doing the chacha.... WR's talking smack to the opposing crowd ...no penalty..... TE's spiking and Dunking Footballs....no penalty...... But stevie johnson ...... with a 15 yard penalty for a shirt that says "happy new year"...btw: the why so serious didn't get a penalty.... It wasn't obscene, it wasn't taunting, it didn't delay the game ...... instead of limiting what is an okay celebration.... the NFL might as well as end celebration all together .... because I'm not clear what is okay and what's not anymore While I agree that there is lots of gray area, it is clear about pre-meditated celebrations. There is no way to deny that this was pre-meditated. GUILTY.
RayFinkle Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Please don't lock this post... Its about the lack of consistency in the NFL and officiating.... We have LB's and DE's ....doing sack dances.... example (the pee-wee herman).... no penalty or nuffin WR's doing the chacha.... WR's talking smack to the opposing crowd ...no penalty..... TE's spiking and Dunking Footballs....no penalty...... But stevie johnson ...... with a 15 yard penalty for a shirt that says "happy new year"...btw: the why so serious didn't get a penalty.... It wasn't obscene, it wasn't taunting, it didn't delay the game ...... instead of limiting what is an okay celebration.... the NFL might as well as end celebration all together .... because I'm not clear what is okay and what's not anymore You can't go to the ground and no props...it's not rocket science.
NoSaint Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) And again, spiking, dunking, dancing and jumping in stands is specifically written in as legal. Going to the ground is specifically illegal. If you read the rule instead of trying to figure it out from specific examples it really isnt that hard. How many players were flagged as many time as Stevie in the last two years? Doesn't seem so shady unless of course you are trying to push the boundaries. Edited January 2, 2012 by NoSaint
PromoTheRobot Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Please don't lock this post... Its about the lack of consistency in the NFL and officiating.... We have LB's and DE's ....doing sack dances.... example (the pee-wee herman).... no penalty or nuffin WR's doing the chacha.... WR's talking smack to the opposing crowd ...no penalty..... TE's spiking and Dunking Footballs....no penalty...... But stevie johnson ...... with a 15 yard penalty for a shirt that says "happy new year"...btw: the why so serious didn't get a penalty.... It wasn't obscene, it wasn't taunting, it didn't delay the game ...... instead of limiting what is an okay celebration.... the NFL might as well as end celebration all together .... because I'm not clear what is okay and what's not anymore No one else on the Bills, as far as I know, pre-plans his celebrations either. The point is not what he did alone. It's the fact that he still planned something after the coach had to make a rule about what he did before. If that's me, I'm avoiding any and all situations that could be construed as excessive celebration. It tells me that no matter what is going on in a game, Johnson is still thinking about making the highlight reels and chat shows. That doesn't mean the Bills shouldn't still sign him, but a lack of maturity is a red flag. I mean how many times do you have to tell a player "No" before they listen? Johnson would already have his deal if it weren't for this crap. PTR
dhg Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 No one else on the Bills, as far as I know, pre-plans his celebrations either. The point is not what he did alone. It's the fact that he still planned something after the coach had to make a rule about what he did before. If that's me, I'm avoiding any and all situations that could be construed as excessive celebration. It tells me that no matter what is going on in a game, Johnson is still thinking about making the highlight reels and chat shows. That doesn't mean the Bills shouldn't still sign him, but a lack of maturity is a red flag. I mean how many times do you have to tell a player "No" before they listen? Johnson would already have his deal if it weren't for this crap. PTR I don't think that's why he doesn't have a deal yet, but it's certainly not going to help him in his negotiations with the Bills.
NoSaint Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 I don't think that's why he doesn't have a deal yet, but it's certainly not going to help him in his negotiations with the Bills. Maybe not celebrations specifically but I bet it has more to do with maturity then hands, routes, speed or anything on field. It's almost certainly tied to trust.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Maybe not celebrations specifically but I bet it has more to do with maturity then hands, routes, speed or anything on field. It's almost certainly tied to trust. Exactly. PTR
jkrules Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 No one else on the Bills, as far as I know, pre-plans his celebrations either. The point is not what he did alone. It's the fact that he still planned something after the coach had to make a rule about what he did before. If that's me, I'm avoiding any and all situations that could be construed as excessive celebration. It tells me that no matter what is going on in a game, Johnson is still thinking about making the highlight reels and chat shows. That doesn't mean the Bills shouldn't still sign him, but a lack of maturity is a red flag. I mean how many times do you have to tell a player "No" before they listen? Johnson would already have his deal if it weren't for this crap. PTR Johnson's immaturity will definately hurt him in negotiations. Teams are tired of "Me First" players like SJ. I am not saying don't sign him but I would put some clauses in the contract to protect the Bills against this type of crap in the future.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 He most likely told the WHOLE team anybody that gets a 15 yd unsportsmanlike penalty would get benched . Stevie broke a team rule got benched. I would think that he (Gailey) would loss cred if he did not bench him. That's fine and that point has been made several times now. The counter argument is contained in the expressions pyrrhic victory and draconian measures.
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