jester43 Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 But what makes the Lambeau leap not excessive, and a shirt statement excessive? I really would like a clear explanation here, and I don't think the league has one. If its a uniform violation, save it for the weekly fines. That is done all the time. If it's that the former is traditional and the latter isn't, well, Again, this reveals a poor rule. it does seem like what gets penalized and what doesn't is really arbitrary. you see some really dumb **** go unpunished.
BRH Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 If the game meant anything to the Bills my guess is SJ would have been back in the game after a series or two. I'm going to hope that if the game meant anything to the Bills SJ would have worn a plain white t-shirt.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 No, no it was obvious and he knew full well and pre-meditated a way to hurt his team. I read the rules. There is really nothing in the rules that makes what he did a penalty. If you do something right in front of an NFL referee, he sees and knows you did it, and does not call a penalty, it's pretty safe to think it is not a penalty. There are a LOT of things players do in the endzones that do not get penalties but get fines from the league. This isn't really spoken about much but Johnson gets fined for pretty much every one he does. He got fined for the shirt last year, but it wasn't a penalty and the league never told him it was. He got fined for fake blowing off a cannon in the endzone against the Pats but it wasn't a penalty. That was not in any way a pre-meditated way to hurt the team. It was just pretty dumb.
opfball91 Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 The things Stevie Johnson does, regardless of what the shirt says, what the celebration was, put his TEAM in danger of losing. I don't care how many TDs, receptions, yards, none of that matters. If you put yourself and your own stupid ego in front of the teams better interest, you're a selfish player and his past indicates he will always act this way. You'd think he would learn, after so many mistakes, but he doesn't. He made his bed, now sleep in it. I for one am damn happy we have a coach who isn't intimidated by his players. What Chan did today sent a message to his team that if you come to work everyday, ready to play, do your job in order for the TEAM to have the best chance of winning, you can play for us. Today, that strategy didn't work because of the lack of skill we have on our bench. But I think it set a precedent for the future. Stevie, either sign here or don't, I couldn't care less if you leave, but you can play for us if you want. Anyone who thinks this was a bad decision doesn't truly understand football, and how EVERY yard matters. Selfish players are the most frustrating thing to watch as a football fan and former player. He's got people busting their ass out there, and doing it quietly, because they want to win that bad. They don't care if they're on sportscenter, or if their stupid twitter gets noticed, all they care about is winning and THOSE players are the ones that win championships.
G-Daddy Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 So has Stevie tweeted anything yet about this Happy New Year incident??????
DanInUticaTampa Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Let me ask this then. What do you think Gailey might have said to Stevie if SJ went to him before the game and said "coach, I want to flash my t-shirt after I score. That's cool, right? I mean, I only got fined for it last year." More to the point, what do you think Stevie thought Chan would say? Obviously Chan would have discouraged it. Even when stevie does his off field jokes, chan isn't even impressed. When stevie dressed up as chan for halloween, chan's response "I didn't see it. sounds like he has too much time on his hands." Chan doesn't seem like the type of coach that would say "Sure, do something stupid and get a fine." Not to mention Chan has said he had to talk to stevie after the whole "why so serious" issue. it would be reasonable to assume this wouldn't sit well with chan to begin with. If chan told stevie it was ok to do that, then he benched him, then the whole team would be in an uproar and we would have heard about it. We probably would have heard it from stevie first, and for good reason. Edited January 2, 2012 by DanInUticaTampa
BRH Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 it does seem like what gets penalized and what doesn't is really arbitrary. you see some really dumb **** go unpunished. Yes, some really dumb **** goes unpunished, but the players know exactly where the line is. Go to the ground, get flagged. Use a prop, get flagged. Dunk the ball or jump in the stands, no flag. Run to the center of the field, no flag. Taunt in someone's face, flag. It's very simple even if the rules and exceptions are stupid. Kind of like in-the-crease. It was a monumentally stupid rule, but it was the !@#$ing rule and should have been called. Sometimes guys will get away with doing stuff that should be flagged (though rarely are those the guys with a history of doing it). But you never see a guy get flagged for dunking or leaping. That's the point. They know what's legal and they do that instead of something that isn't.
HurlyBurly51 Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 I read the rules. There is really nothing in the rules that makes what he did a penalty. If you do something right in front of an NFL referee, he sees and knows you did it, and does not call a penalty, it's pretty safe to think it is not a penalty. There are a LOT of things players do in the endzones that do not get penalties but get fines from the league. This isn't really spoken about much but Johnson gets fined for pretty much every one he does. He got fined for the shirt last year, but it wasn't a penalty and the league never told him it was. He got fined for fake blowing off a cannon in the endzone against the Pats but it wasn't a penalty. That was not in any way a pre-meditated way to hurt the team. It was just pretty dumb. Thank you KTD, that was my point. Some are way too fast around here to pass judgment and make false assumptions. Not sure if they need surgery to remove the broom, but let the facts come out before making stupid statements about a player deliberately wanting to hurt his own team.
BRH Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 I read the rules. There is really nothing in the rules that makes what he did a penalty. If you do something right in front of an NFL referee, he sees and knows you did it, and does not call a penalty, it's pretty safe to think it is not a penalty. There are a LOT of things players do in the endzones that do not get penalties but get fines from the league. This isn't really spoken about much but Johnson gets fined for pretty much every one he does. He got fined for the shirt last year, but it wasn't a penalty and the league never told him it was. He got fined for fake blowing off a cannon in the endzone against the Pats but it wasn't a penalty. That was not in any way a pre-meditated way to hurt the team. It was just pretty dumb. The Pats stunt last year may not have been CALLED a penalty, but it should have been, not because of the cannon but because he fell to the ground. That's why he got fined afterward. The shirt with a message on it? That's a prop, and is a penalty.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Let me ask this then. What do you think Gailey might have said to Stevie if SJ went to him before the game and said "coach, I want to flash my t-shirt after I score. That's cool, right? I mean, I only got fined for it last year." More to the point, what do you think Stevie thought Chan would say? Personally, I think the Why So Serious thing was funny. It shouldnt be a penalty and wasn't. It's not necessary but it's harmless. He wrote Happy New Year. The guy LOVES attention, but that part of his personality is alse what makes him a big time player who makes spectacular catches and scores TDs. We ask these guys to turn on and off their personalities, and we have to, for certain things. He wasn't trying to defy anything, he wasn't trying to show anyone up. He wanted to be seen on national TV wishing everyone a Happy New Year. It was selfish because it hurt the team and he paid a dear price. I think it's VERY reasonable for him to assume that is not going to draw a penalty. He was just wrong. I would not doubt if there is some grey area in league circles about this and they will come out after the year and say NO. YOU CANNOT WRITE ON JERSEYS and he will then know. By saying its okay once and not okay the second time, it's pretty confusing. Again, if you read the rules, there isn't anything he did that was against them.
BRH Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 And by the way, I agree that he was not trying to hurt the team. I just think that he was more concerned about doing something clever that would get him on tv than about whether it would hurt the team, and that is just as inexcusable to me.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Thank you KTD, that was my point. Some are way too fast around here to pass judgment and make false assumptions. Not sure if they need surgery to remove the broom, but let the facts come out before making stupid statements about a player deliberately wanting to hurt his own team. Whether the rule is vague or not, the fact Stevie tweeted about being fined before the game started clearly shows he wanted to push the rules for his own ambition. That isnt a team player, and guys like that regularly get bounced by teams like the Steelers, Packers, and Pats. I think Stevie should be brought back, but he also needs to get his priorities straight.
RkFast Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Million Dollar Body....ten cent head. Players with ten cent heads win Championships.....NEVER. Bye Stevie....dont forget to pack up your Sharpies and Twitter feed when you leave.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 And by the way, I agree that he was not trying to hurt the team. I just think that he was more concerned about doing something clever that would get him on tv than about whether it would hurt the team, and that is just as inexcusable to me. This. Regardless of the details of the rules and penalties. This.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Yes, some really dumb **** goes unpunished, but the players know exactly where the line is. Go to the ground, get flagged. Use a prop, get flagged. Dunk the ball or jump in the stands, no flag. Run to the center of the field, no flag. Taunt in someone's face, flag. It's very simple even if the rules and exceptions are stupid. Kind of like in-the-crease. It was a monumentally stupid rule, but it was the !@#$ing rule and should have been called. Sometimes guys will get away with doing stuff that should be flagged (though rarely are those the guys with a history of doing it). But you never see a guy get flagged for dunking or leaping. That's the point. They know what's legal and they do that instead of something that isn't. They showed Stevie talking to George Wilson after it happened, and it looked to me that Stevie mouthed something like, "I didn't think it would get called." Whethernhe should've known better is debatable, though. He was in no position to take the risk, especially after promising after the Jets game that it would never happen again. From the Bills' perspective, it's not do much the act itself, it's the poor judgment. Are they really gonna hand a huge signing bonus to a guy with such poor judgment? The Kynch situation suggests that the answer is absolutely not. Edited January 2, 2012 by Coach Tuesday
BRH Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Personally, I think the Why So Serious thing was funny. It shouldnt be a penalty and wasn't. It's not necessary but it's harmless. He wrote Happy New Year. The guy LOVES attention, but that part of his personality is alse what makes him a big time player who makes spectacular catches and scores TDs. We ask these guys to turn on and off their personalities, and we have to, for certain things. He wasn't trying to defy anything, he wasn't trying to show anyone up. He wanted to be seen on national TV wishing everyone a Happy New Year. It was selfish because it hurt the team and he paid a dear price. I think it's VERY reasonable for him to assume that is not going to draw a penalty. He was just wrong. I would not doubt if there is some grey area in league circles about this and they will come out after the year and say NO. YOU CANNOT WRITE ON JERSEYS and he will then know. By saying its okay once and not okay the second time, it's pretty confusing. Again, if you read the rules, there isn't anything he did that was against them. I prefer to have people working for me whose first thought isn't "but the policy doesn't SAY I can't do that." They showed Stevie talking to George Wilson after it happened, and it looked to me that Stevie mouthed one thing like, "I didn't think it would get called." Whethernhe should've known better is debatable, though. He was in no position to take the risk, especially after promising after the Jets game that it would never happen again. A thousand times this.
8-8 Forever? Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Douchebag. That is all. Ocho Cinco without the game
DanInUticaTampa Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Million Dollar Body....ten cent head. Players with ten cent heads win Championships.....NEVER. Bye Stevie....dont forget to pack up your Sharpies and Twitter feed when you leave. You mean the WR who caught a winning TD pass in the superbowl who shot himself in the foot does not have a 10 cent head?
jkrules Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Good players make good plays, can be inconsistent, get over 1,000 yards, and sometimes win games. Great players make great plays, are consistent, get over 1,000 yards, and win games. Stevie Johnson is a good player. You must ask yourself whether or not the Bills should pay a good player $7 mil a year. The choice is clear for me- he is not a great player, hasn't proven himself worthy of $7.5 mil a year, and should walk. What he did today proves that he just doesn't get it- he thinks he's a star, but being a star isn't enough. When you cost your team games, you should be benched and you should lose out on big money. Good for Chan Gailey. +1 Well Said!
RkFast Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 You mean the WR who caught a winning TD pass in the superbowl who shot himself in the foot does not have a 10 cent head? You mean the WR who got bounced from an elite franchise for being such a headcase and the Giants picked him up on a whim, then did two years in jail for that fiasco and is now pretty much a journeyman?
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