Kaenon Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Taking his stats from the Jets game and extrapolating...Spiller "could" have had the following this year: 229 carries for 1,189 yards (5.2 ypa) & 8 touchdowns and 2-3 fumbles 64 receptions for 499 yards (7.8 ypc) & 5 touchdowns I think Spiller is an exciting player, and obviously Fred is a great back as well. What floors me is Fitzpatrick's pass attempt numbers: This year Ryan Fitzpatrick attempted 569 passes which is approximately 20% more passes than Jim Kelly threw in his highest pass attempt season. WTF Chan !!!!!
SDS Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Taking his stats from the Jets game and extrapolating...Spiller "could" have had the following this year: 229 carries for 1,189 yards (5.2 ypa) & 8 touchdowns and 2-3 fumbles 64 receptions for 499 yards (7.8 ypc) & 5 touchdowns I think Spiller is an exciting player, and obviously Fred is a great back as well. What floors me is Fitzpatrick's pass attempt numbers: This year Ryan Fitzpatrick attempted 569 passes which is approximately 20% more passes than Jim Kelly threw in his highest pass attempt season. WTF Chan !!!!! Don't forget 16 interceptions that bounce off his hands...
Kaenon Posted January 2, 2012 Author Posted January 2, 2012 Don't forget 16 interceptions that bounce off his hands... Look @ who is throwing the ball into the wrong spots. Fitz tries to sling them in there like a Favre throw. Let me tell you something as well, Favre threw a whole slew of INT similar to the CJ tip/pick today because of how hard he's trying to fling the ball in a zone. Favre is the all time leader in INTs and that helped to contribute to that.
Bart Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Taking his stats from the Jets game and extrapolating...Spiller "could" have had the following this year: 229 carries for 1,189 yards (5.2 ypa) & 8 touchdowns and 2-3 fumbles 64 receptions for 499 yards (7.8 ypc) & 5 touchdowns I think Spiller is an exciting player, and obviously Fred is a great back as well. What floors me is Fitzpatrick's pass attempt numbers: This year Ryan Fitzpatrick attempted 569 passes which is approximately 20% more passes than Jim Kelly threw in his highest pass attempt season. WTF Chan !!!!! IR after 8 full games. Too small.
Best Player Available Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Taking his stats from the Jets game and extrapolating...Spiller "could" have had the following this year: 229 carries for 1,189 yards (5.2 ypa) & 8 touchdowns and 2-3 fumbles 64 receptions for 499 yards (7.8 ypc) & 5 touchdowns I think Spiller is an exciting player, and obviously Fred is a great back as well. What floors me is Fitzpatrick's pass attempt numbers: This year Ryan Fitzpatrick attempted 569 passes which is approximately 20% more passes than Jim Kelly threw in his highest pass attempt season. WTF Chan !!!!! Yowser, the proof is in the pudding. Why gailey refused to establish a run game is baffling. The Fitz Kelly stat is stunning. Gailey shouldn't be calling plays.
NoSaint Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 IR after 8 full games. Too small. Bigger than numerous starters. Similar example being Chris Johnson who's not only played 16 but been a heavy workhorse (though we may be seeing wear and tear) Yowser, the proof is in the pudding. Why gailey refused to establish a run game is baffling. The Fitz Kelly stat is stunning. Gailey shouldn't be calling plays. How'd the league attempts change over that span?
bschmoove Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Did the math earlier. CJ would have had 888 yards rushing to Fred's 934 if CJ carried the ball 170 times like Fred. They both caught 39 balls. Fred: 442 yards CJ: 269. They both had 6 tds Fred: 6 rush, 0 rec CJ: 4 rush, 2 rec. Edited January 2, 2012 by bschmoove
BB-Gun Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) This year Ryan Fitzpatrick attempted 569 passes which is approximately 20% more passes than Jim Kelly threw in his highest pass attempt season. Rules have changed to help the passing game. Perhaps we should look at rest of the numbers instead of just the one to prove your point. QB Pass Attempts Matthew Stafford 663 Drew Brees 653 Tom Brady 611 Philip Rivers 582 Ryan Fitzpatrick 569 So, how does this make Fitzpatrick's pass attempts look so awe full after seeing the rest of the stats. Edited January 2, 2012 by BB-Gun
Bill from NYC Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Don't forget 16 interceptions that bounce off his hands...
Kaenon Posted January 2, 2012 Author Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Rules have changed to help the passing game. Perhaps we should look at rest of the numbers instead of just the one to prove your point. QB Pass Attempts Matthew Stafford 663 Drew Brees 653 Tom Brady 611 Philip Rivers 582 Ryan Fitzpatrick 569 So, how does this make Fitzpatrick's pass attempts look so awe full after seeing the rest of the stats. Fitzpatrick doesn't deserve to even be mentioned with the other listed QBs. He's not awful, but he isn't great either. I would say, serviceable or marginal. Mediocre, like this franchise. And you totally missed the point. Fitz isn't a QB who should be throwing the ball so much like the elite QBs do in this league. Edited January 2, 2012 by Kaenon
Webster Guy Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Interesting stuff. I think Fitz likes to audible to throws as much as possible because of his confidence in his receivers, this might skew the totals a little bit with regard to run pass ratio's FJax is a solid pass protector as well, and the bigger backs tend to wear on the opposing defenses as the game goes on if they're pounders like Freddy is. That's two immeasurable's that aren't Spiller's strengths. CJ is perfect for his role as a supplement to Fred, and a replacement if he gets hurt. He learned a lot this year, got better each week like a lot of our young guys did. Shep, Dareus, Rogers, Hagan, etc. Next year we could have two 1000 yard backs. For the record, I think Chan called another good game today. He was attacking, unpredictable at times and did the best he could with the patched up offensive personnel we have out there. He deserves to be back next year, I'm sure he will be.
BB-Gun Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Fitzpatrick doesn't deserve to even be mentioned with the other listed QBs. He's not awful, but he isn't great either. I would say, serviceable or marginal. Mediocre, like this franchise. And you totally missed the point. Fitz isn't a QB who should be throwing the ball so much like the elite QBs do in this league. I did not say he is a great QB. I only gave you the stats in order of pass attempts this year. This is because you compared him to Jim Kelly. Only saying the stats you gave is completely misleading. So what if he had 20% more attempts than Kelly. My stats demonstrates that this is normal these days. If Kelly played today, he may have 30% more pass attempts.
Lurker Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) This year Ryan Fitzpatrick attempted 569 passes which is approximately 20% more passes than Jim Kelly threw in his highest pass attempt season. And Aaron Rogers threw more than Bart Starr. It's a passing league and you can compare the 2011 and 1991 stats to see the difference: 2011: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/ 1991: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1991/ Edited January 2, 2012 by Lurker
Geno Smith's Arm Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Look @ who is throwing the ball into the wrong spots. Fitz tries to sling them in there like a Favre throw. Let me tell you something as well, Favre threw a whole slew of INT similar to the CJ tip/pick today because of how hard he's trying to fling the ball in a zone. Favre is the all time leader in INTs and that helped to contribute to that. Yep. And Fitz slings the ball way too hard in a hissy fit when things aren't going well. He has gotten very pissed, and thrown the ball ridiculously hard on some plays in critical situations. He gets overemotional, though he tries to appear calm.
Pirate Angel Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Gailey continuing to put the games in Fitz's hands when we have 2 good backs and a Damion McIntyre on the sideline is mindboggling
GOBILLS78 Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 And Aaron Rogers threw more than Bart Starr. It's a passing league and you can compare the 2011 and 1991 stats to see the difference: 2011: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/ 1991: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1991/ But don't you know this is TBD? This is where everything must be compared to the early-90s Bills, for whatever reason.
Bill from NYC Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 But don't you know this is TBD? This is where everything must be compared to the early-90s Bills, for whatever reason. Is this the reason for your screen name?
Hsp08 Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 IR after 8 full games. Too small. Tony Dorsett, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith & Thurman Thomas weren't huge in stature either. Not saying Spiller has the same talent but he's got potential many of us didn't think he had.
Billsinfla Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 When you have talent like Ruvell Martin and Derek Hagan, you can't waste downs running the football.
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