Which Republican candidate do the Bills most resemble?

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Herman Cain- appears to be a stand up guy advocating change, the more you see of him the worse it gets, bad results, bad press, candidacy in the toilet.

[Juror#8]

How is that relevant to: blowing the biggest momentum I have ever seen the Democratic party have? Blowing it all, and then going further and willfully eroding their traditional base? Replacing the low/middle class whites with...what? College professors, kids and minorities? Which is more relevant election-wise? Which has been more loyal? Which has been more likely to consistently turn out? How does this make any sort of political sense? Who taught these people their jobs? Oh, that's right, the college professors, and their disciples, are now running things in the Democratic party. They are the new, and only real, constituency the Democrats have. Awfully difficult to represent the low/middle working class whites....when you don't have that many in your party.

 

We can talk about Bush stupidity, but that pales in comparison to the sheer idiocy we have seen from the Democrats since 2006 when they got the House/Senate. Remember? (EDIT: And, we could easily argue that the BushBad CREATED the opportunity for Democrats that they would never have been able to achieve for themselves.)

 

If you made a list of the top 20 things not to do since then, they have done almost all of them(drone strikes). I'm not kidding when I say they have blown all of Emanuel's work. He has to be the most dumbfounded and frustrated man in America today. At least being Mayor of Chicago let's him focus on something else.

 

Again, since 2006, when Bush was still in office, they have done nothing but F up both politically and policy-wise. There's no argument here. This is easily the dumbest set of people ever to be in charge of a political party in our history. If you had told me in 2005, when we could all see where it was going, that we'd be here today, no way I would have believed it. Now, to be sure, if you go back and look at my posts, I warned the leftists here. I told their cocky asses this could happen, word for word. But even I never predicted it going this badly.

 

It's interesting that a "conservative" such as yourself, is so willing to immediately go BushBad, as his only reply. Interesting indeed.

 

It will be interested what you have to say, now that those 2006 Democrats in the Senate, 23 of them, have either retired or will have to defend their seats. We already saw what happened to the 2006 House people.

 

Huh? "Bushbad"?

 

When did I mention that? I asked you a very simple question and you responded with a diatribe wildly hurling accusations.

 

When did I "immediately go Bushbad"? This is what I have always criticized about you and why I find it difficult, at times, to take you seriously. You're obviously an intelligent mother!@#$er, but you have no "off" switch which allows you to approach conversations squarely and without hyperbole and presumption.

 

You, again, took a question that I asked, didn't answer it, however created your own interpretation, and then argued against what you interpreted me to have been saying.

 

You're arguing with yourself.....again. Though you hate it, and try to preemptively diffuse these in later posts, I'll say again, you're arguing a straw man

 

Straw man:

 

"is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To 'attack a straw man' is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."

 

If I'm wrong about you and "straw men" prove it now instead of playing the cutsie referencing game later. Prove it. The gauntlet is there.

 

If you want to have square debate, let me know. Otherwise, keep manufacturing positions to attack.

[B-Large]

Why are you linking a picture of Marilyn Manson?

 

 

 

Like most of the Republican candidates, they do great, until you hear what they have to say.

 

The crazies never end up with the Nomination anyway.... I would really like to see Hunstman run against Obama, he is conservative yet moderate, and I think the is really a smart guy... Never have like Romney, but I imagine he will be the guy.....

[Dante]

The crash came in 2008. The Bu$h tax cuts ran the country into the ground as we had two unfunded wars to fight.

(The only time in the history of the republic that tax cuts were enacted during wartime)

Republican fascists won't agree to anything with the President......but please. Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid......

Seems like it was the Bubba Bubble to me. Combination of the CRA, Hud, and the blackmailing of banks to give out ill advised loans. Read "The Great American Bank Robbery" and quit whatever Kool-Aid you've been drinking

[IDBillzFan]

The crazies never end up with the Nomination anyway.... I would really like to see Hunstman run against Obama, he is conservative yet moderate, and I think the is really a smart guy... Never have like Romney, but I imagine he will be the guy.....

I wish I had a dollar for every Democrat who wants to see Huntsman run.

[/dev/null]

I wish I had a dollar for every Democrat who wants to see Huntsman run.

 

Funny thing is, I think plenty of Democrats do subconciously want to see Huntsman run. Most have watched this slow motion train wreck of an Administration and want a reason to not have to vote The People's Party line. Huntsman worked for Obama and would be considered a "liberal Republican". That might be enough to break with Orthodoxy and not be branded a Racist

[Buftex]

Funny thing is, I think plenty of Democrats do subconciously want to see Huntsman run. Most have watched this slow motion train wreck of an Administration and want a reason to not have to vote The People's Party line. Huntsman worked for Obama and would be considered a "liberal Republican". That might be enough to break with Orthodoxy and not be branded a Racist

 

Not sure if this is a joke, but yes, and I don't think it would be a subconscious thing, either. People want to have good choices, not the lesser of two evils. Huntsman obviously won't win the nod from the Repuplican party, so we are at the "lesser of two evils" point, once again.

[B-Large]

I wish I had a dollar for every Democrat who wants to see Huntsman run.

 

 

Funny thing is, I think plenty of Democrats do subconciously want to see Huntsman run. Most have watched this slow motion train wreck of an Administration and want a reason to not have to vote The People's Party line. Huntsman worked for Obama and would be considered a "liberal Republican". That might be enough to break with Orthodoxy and not be branded a Racist

 

Of course- the fridge superconservatives will not likely to appeal to independents, as is the same with ultra left liberals.

 

I think Huntsman has enough moderate appeal to persuade independents, and some of the fiscally conservative Democrats... he is the most poised, well spoken and intelliegent of that GOP group, outside of Newt Gingrich, who I doubt gets the nomination.

 

Frankly, I would weigh my vote very carefully would it be Obama/Huntsman... Again, my life quality has increased during this adminstration, so I am not sure of the trainwreckage everybody else seems to be experiencing. But then again I did just as well when Bush was in office...

 

while politics and partisanship is fun and all, it is still up to indidvidual Americans to make their way no matter who is in office.

[ieatcrayonz]

Why are you linking a picture of Marilyn Manson?

 

 

Not Marilyn Manson.

 

Did she have a filet show too?

[IDBillzFan]

Of course- the fridge superconservatives will not likely to appeal to independents, as is the same with ultra left liberals.

 

I think Huntsman has enough moderate appeal to persuade independents, and some of the fiscally conservative Democrats... he is the most poised, well spoken and intelliegent of that GOP group, outside of Newt Gingrich, who I doubt gets the nomination.

 

Frankly, I would weigh my vote very carefully would it be Obama/Huntsman... Again, my life quality has increased during this adminstration, so I am not sure of the trainwreckage everybody else seems to be experiencing. But then again I did just as well when Bush was in office...

 

while politics and partisanship is fun and all, it is still up to indidvidual Americans to make their way no matter who is in office.

My preference for the VP spot in 2012 would be Rubio. But Huntsman as a VP would, I think, be equally devastating to Obama.

 

Of course, I think a toaster oven will be devastating to Obama because he's such a useless idiot, but that's just me.

[B-Large]

My preference for the VP spot in 2012 would be Rubio. But Huntsman as a VP would, I think, be equally devastating to Obama.

 

Of course, I think a toaster oven will be devastating to Obama because he's such a useless idiot, but that's just me.

 

wait... what brand of Toaster Oven??.....

[OCinBuffalo]

Huh? "Bushbad"?

 

When did I mention that? I asked you a very simple question and you responded with a diatribe wildly hurling accusations.

 

When did I "immediately go Bushbad"? This is what I have always criticized about you and why I find it difficult, at times, to take you seriously. You're obviously an intelligent mother!@#$er, but you have no "off" switch which allows you to approach conversations squarely and without hyperbole and presumption.

 

You, again, took a question that I asked, didn't answer it, however created your own interpretation, and then argued against what you interpreted me to have been saying.

 

You're arguing with yourself.....again. Though you hate it, and try to preemptively diffuse these in later posts, I'll say again, you're arguing a straw man

 

Straw man:

 

"is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To 'attack a straw man' is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."

 

If I'm wrong about you and "straw men" prove it now instead of playing the cutsie referencing game later. Prove it. The gauntlet is there.

 

If you want to have square debate, let me know. Otherwise, keep manufacturing positions to attack.

Playing with you is getting more fun by the day.

 

Consider:

I say that the Democrats have blown the biggest lead in the history of politics directly due to their bad behavior.

You respond by not refuting a single point made, and instead bring up somebody else's bad behavior in a vain attempt to establish equivalency....

 

....and you then feel the need define straw man, as if...talking about Bush as though I am arguing for him, and not attacking the Democrats..isn't the perfect example of a straw man argument? Thanks for the definition. You posted it, as expected. Now I will make use of it, as intended.

 

Have you refuted my original argument that the Bills are most comparable to the Democrats? No. Have you instead replaced that with a superficially similar yet unequivalent propostion about Bush's performance, designed to distract from my unassailable argument? Yes. Me saying Democrat bad is not the same as saying Bush good, is it? Yet, that is how you responded, and now, YOU are talking in terms of straw men?

 

Buddy, I knew what you were going say, how and why, better than you did. Do you understand, that you are a guy who says strawman too much, while he uses the very tactic he decries, on a regular basis? Do you understand that there's no practical way for me to resist something like this?

 

Perhaps next week we can move on to non sequitor? Or even, ipso facto, as in: "Obama not only nationalized the Auto Industry, he also took away the private property of bond holders, and gave it to labor unions, all without the consent of the American people or their elected representatives, ipso facto, he is a socialist"

Edited January 6, 2012 by OCinBuffalo