3rdnlng Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 i hate to get between you and birdog, but given that someone's actually provided an actual study versus OC's claims -- which he even considers to be questionable -- that he's spoken to "tons" (how much does the average doctor weigh, anyhow?) of people, of course you've sided with heresay as opposed to actual numbers. jw Now John, I didn't side with anybody. I just pointed out that the survey Birdog quoted wasn't what the argument was about. Go back and reread and you'll see that I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 i hate to get between you and birdog, but given that someone's actually provided an actual study versus OC's claims -- which he even considers to be questionable -- that he's spoken to "tons" (how much does the average doctor weigh, anyhow?) of people, of course you've sided with heresay as opposed to actual numbers. jw Wheresay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Now John, I didn't side with anybody. I just pointed out that the survey Birdog quoted wasn't what the argument was about. Go back and reread and you'll see that I'm right. fair enough. i understand your point. though i must say that job satisfaction goes to the point OC was attempting to make, see below. Apparently the concept of being a doctor, in terms of "what is the best way for a Canadian who wants to emigrate to the US to actually get here as quickly as possible?", hasn't occurred to you. In fact, that's what I also heard from the Canadian doctors: "all the kids are just marking time until they can get their walking papers". Of course my "sample" is not scientific, or statistically relevant. However, the stat that says I have met 0 Candian doctors who like the socialist system, or consider it superior to ours in any way, is relevant. At least if I had met 1, you might have a point. Until I do, you have no point. OC clearly submits that doctors in Canada can't wait to leave. evidently, on the basis of this survey, there are more than a few -- more than "tons," perhaps, even -- who might feel different. jw Wheresay? when it comes to OC, it would be "me-say." jw Edited January 11, 2012 by john wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Wheresay? There wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 There wolf. "Why are you talking like that?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 "Why are you talking like that?" "Suit yourself. I'm easy!" Best Brooks film. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 fair enough. i understand your point. though i must say that job satisfaction goes to the point OC was attempting to make, see below. OC clearly submits that doctors in Canada can't wait to leave. evidently, on the basis of this survey, there are more than a few -- more than "tons," perhaps, even -- who might feel different. jw when it comes to OC, it would "me-say." jw I took OC's comment that becoming a doctor was a good way for a person to get to the States. Regardless, there is quite a distinction between the degree of satisfaction with your professional life and your opinion regarding a system. Yes, Birdog did come up with figures, but not ones that were germane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) "Suit yourself. I'm easy!" Best Brooks film. Period. Must have the whole scene: Inga: Werewolf! Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Werewolf? Igor: There. Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: What? Igor: There, wolf. There, castle. Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Why are you talking that way? Igor: I thought you wanted to. Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No, I don't want to. Igor: [shrugs] Suit yourself. I'm easy. Edited January 11, 2012 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I took OC's comment that becoming a doctor was a good way for a person to get to the States. Regardless, there is quite a distinction between the degree of satisfaction with your professional life and your opinion regarding a system. Yes, Birdog did come up with figures, but not ones that were germane. i understand the distinction and don't entirely disagree with you. i will say that if 29 percent say they're "very satisfied," it's not much of a stretch to believe that those people are not as close to applying for visas as OC might suggest. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I hate to get between you and OC but it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to tell the difference between a survey about how a group feels regarding their professional life and a system. Did you really think you could get away with that? it truly is pointless to argue this except maybe for the gamesmanship. you and oc are convinced of the evils of anything socialized and no amount of evidence will ever sway you. these 70000 professionals work in the system! if they hated the system they wouldn't be likely to be satisfied with their professional life. and if what oc stated about biding time to leave for the great american system is true it would be logical to assume that they would be pretty dissatisfied if they planned to leave their own country. so, back to the game...you lose, i win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 it truly is pointless to argue this except maybe for the gamesmanship. you and oc are convinced of the evils of anything socialized and no amount of evidence will ever sway you. these 70000 professionals work in the system! if they hated the system they wouldn't be likely to be satisfied with their professional life. and if what oc stated about biding time to leave for the great american system is true it would be logical to assume that they would be pretty dissatisfied if they planned to leave their own country. so, back to the game...you lose, i win. Read my posts again. I wasn't siding with anyone. I was pointing out that the survey you posted was quite a stretch to prove your point. Here's an example: Poll all of the Bills players and ask them if they find playing football is satisfying. Now, do you think they were satisfied with the season they just had? So, it is possible to like your work and find it satisfying at the same time as not liking the system or the results. You lose, I win? How childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Read my posts again. I wasn't siding with anyone. I was pointing out that the survey you posted was quite a stretch to prove your point. Here's an example: Poll all of the Bills players and ask them if they find playing football is satisfying. Now, do you think they were satisfied with the season they just had? So, it is possible to like your work and find it satisfying at the same time as not liking the system or the results. You lose, I win? How childish. the problem with the analogy is that you assume that bills players would respond positively about their professional lives (which isn't the same as playing football). that's an important distinction. the question posed wasn't "are you satisfied being a doctor"? for the more encompassing question that the govt of canada posed, i suspect many bills players would anonymously say they are dissatisfied with their professional life (if they didn't, that would explain alot about them being perennial losers). but back to the real question of the canadian system. do you really feel doctors workiing in a system they found ineffective, unfair and capable of providing only substandard care would feel satisfied with their professional lives? Edited January 11, 2012 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Today's example of media bias: ABC, CBS Pound Romney on Business Background; CNN Downplays New Hampshire WinBy Scott Whitlock | January 11, 2012 | 12:45 Mitt Romney appeared on all six network and cable morning shows on Wednesday and endured repeated liberal attacks about whether he'll be able to "defend" his business background, and even an assertion that a 16 point New Hampshire win was "not a victory." The Republican presidential candidate showed up on CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News and MSNBC. However, it was CNN's Soledad O'Brien who offered the most transparently partisan attack. Citing DNC Chairman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, O'Brien parroted that this "was not a victory." O'Brien admitted that Wasserman-Schultz's job was to "spin," but continued, "But doesn't she have a point [that]... this is a place [New Hampshire] where you have lived, and that number, while very good, is not 60 percent, or 70 percent?" Of course, Hillary Clinton won New Hampshire by a mere three points in 2008. The reporters on CNN failed to spin that result as "not a victory." Additionally, there were six people running in the 2012 race, making it hard to acquire 70 percent Business as usual . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Today's example of media bias: Business as usual . yep, Scott Whitlock continues to prove he's biased. thanks. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Today's example of media bias: Business as usual . Yep, business as usual. Romney is gonna have to go against all these networks when the Obama machine turns their focus towards him, lucky for him FOX news will be on his side. Almost a wash Edited January 11, 2012 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Yep, business as usual. Romney is gonna have to go against all these networks when the Obama machine turns their focus towards him, lucky for him FOX news will be on his side. Almost a wash Was watching Bloomberg TV before and the topic on hand was if Private Equity was destructive or productive for the economy. They had Eileen Applebaum and a guy who works on the PE side. Eileen's argument was essentially that PE owned firms performed poorly in contrast to non-PE owned firms and that PE partners were essentially looking out for themselves and profit growth rather than job growth The Bloomberg anchor didn't give her much time after that as her argument was all over the place Edited January 11, 2012 by meazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 i understand the distinction and don't entirely disagree with you. i will say that if 29 percent say they're "very satisfied," it's not much of a stretch to believe that those people are not as close to applying for visas as OC might suggest. jw They are Canadian right? They would be "very satisfied" by 3 beers, a hockey puck and a ripped blanket as their entire worldly possessions. Throw in a slab of back bacon and other than being part of the evil 1% life couldn't get any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 They are Canadian right? They would be "very satisfied" by 3 beers, a hockey puck and a ripped blanket as their entire worldly possessions. Throw in a slab of back bacon and other than being part of the evil 1% life couldn't get any better. don't forget the Timbit, eh? jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfatbillsfan Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Yes, as I already explained, the only relevant thing here is: I have NEVER heard a Canadian doctor say the Canadian system is better, and, I have never heard any doctor in general say that they are in it for the money. Now, if you can produce either, I'd be glad hear what they have to say, but, you can't, can you? It's like aliens, sure we have to account for the possibility that they exist, but I have never seen one, have you? EDIT: And, perhaps you'd like to take a shot at explaining why Obamacare shouldn't be repealed and replaced with something that might actually solve the major problems in health care. Oh, don't think can? or is it that you lack the ability? What I find amazing is that right after this post bob posted a vid of real doctors, on camera, talking about how they feel their system is better. So if you haven't watched it yet you might not want to or you're going to have to change that line you keep repeating over and over again. Like a Fox News anchor, you seem to be under the impression that your opinion, if stated forcefully enough, constitutes fact. And I think Obama care should be repealed and replaced with a system the extends Medicare to everyone. Otherwise it's the best we're going to get at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 And I think Obama care should be repealed and replaced with a system the extends Medicare to everyone. Otherwise it's the best we're going to get at the moment. Fine, you write the checks from your account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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