8-8 Forever? Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Merriman hurt was actually much better than any other player on the roster at generating a pash rush. If you analyze things once he left was when the Bills lost any ability to generate any pass rush.....notice I am not saying sacks but pash rush. He was at least providing a push in the pocket and was genrating some type of pressure on the opposing QBs. It is no coincidence that once he went to IR everyone started complaining about the Bills not even getting a sniff of the QB. We need to bring back all the healthy bodies we possible can. Beggars can't be choosers at this point. Merriman and Parrish are two of the talented guys on this team at positions they need to have talent at. All this talk of cutting everyone and starting over is insane. Injuries wrecked this team again this year. W e don't have the talent of other teams either, but if they'd been as healthy as some of the other teams in the playoffs they would have a better record than they have now.
Booger Posted December 21, 2011 Author Posted December 21, 2011 Ok, maybe I should have worded the post better. A player such as Parrish is not worth bringing back. There is a 100% chance of him getting hurt again and since he was supposed to be such a "huge part of our offense" there are obviously issues when it comes to season preparation within the organization. The EXACT sames goes for Merriman. When a player has had issues 3 years in a row (maybe 4) staying healthy it is NOT a smart move to bring that player back. It DOES NOT MATTER how much you are paying that player. The chances of that player getting healthy, or more importantly, staying healthy are ZERO. Merriman was NOT playing at a high level before he became injury plagued...he unfortunately will not again...ESPECIALLY since he is being watched as he was one of the biggest juice-heads in the league at one point. I speak the truth. I understand all the BS you all spit out there about being an armchair GM, blah blah blah...fact of the matter is you all have a hard on because it is Shawn Merriman and you all think it is 2006. I understand they dont have anything better, but, a broke down player that will end up on the IR only to be filled with some crap like Morrison does nothing for the team either. HE IS DONE AS A BILL.... Let me predict the future for all of you.... May - 2012 NFL Draft - Buffalo Drafts 5 rounds of sleepers. High character with high potential. The board is a buzzing because we have 5 guys that flew under the radar vs. 5 guys that were there in each position. One is some 6th round white LB from a D1AA that had 5 sacks in some meaningless game and ran a 4.4 at the combine. He is tagged the next hybrid Bryce Paup / Clay Matthews cross. August - all of the draft picks are playing lights out in camp. Along with Merriman the 5 plays he practices a day and Parrish looks like the Parrish of 2006. The 1st and 2nd round picks are not in camp yet. Bills go 3-1 in the Pre-Season and have installed some comical offense that everyone on this board wants to give a nickname. PLAYOFFS here we come.... Sept - Merriman is on the IR, Parrish is "day to day", we dont see 1 of the 5 draft picks in the first 4 games and Paup-Matthews hybrid was cut to make room for Merriman's backup. Bills cut Fitzpatrick by the 5th game and "The Rebuilding Process" begins
Booger Posted December 21, 2011 Author Posted December 21, 2011 FYI - for all you "arm chair" gm's that believe in Merriman...he has hit the IR 4 out of the last 5 years (3 in a row) and played a total of 21 games out of 80 possible.... Good for us though... Anyone that is still trying to defend this project or says to give it more time is insane or just blinded by all the BS that the Bills provide year in and year out.
Maury Ballstein Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Merriman has been irrelevant ever since the steroid story broke.....I say so long farewell it's the cold hard truth.... I was super amped by his preseason play but he broke down.....Easley could be a player one more season to see ? I am down for that.
billsfan89 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I would let Roscoe go but I would bring Merriman into camp to see what he has. I thought Merriman set the edge well and played good against the run. Its clear that Merriman knows its his last chance to be a NFL player. He also got surgery on his injury which he hasn't done in the past. So maybe that gets him off the injury bug. But I think it wouldn't hurt to bring him into camp.
HuSeYiN1978 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Holy crap, I've gone cross-eyed. Here are the absolute truths about NFL football and the Buffalo Bills, as established by TSW: Buffalo can't attract players. And woe is me, every player that comes here wants to leave right away When a player wants to stay in Buffalo, he's GOT TO GO. The Bills are wrong for constantly cutting their best players. I'm sick and tired of seeing Bills players succeed elsewhere. Fred Jackson is too old to play football, cut him. Barnett has a positive attitude despite a losing culture, therefore he perpetuates the losing culture, cut him. Ryan Fitzpatrick is too much of a head case, cut him. CJ Spiller finally got going, but it took entirely too long, cut him. We're starting a bunch no-name walk-on scrubs at wide receiver, and this has nothing to do with Fitz's struggles. Roscoe Parish is already 29 years old and has missed considerable time in the last three seasons. He never missed substantial time prior to that, cut him. Stevie Johnson's a diva, cut him. Thanks to our idiot FO, we have no depth. I hate Chris Kelsay, cut him. Ubrik had a false start today, cut him. Pears has strange neck fat, cut him. Bell isn't one of the top 3 LT's in the league, cut him. I could go on, but this carousel of logic is depressing me... I definitely think we should cut Fitz or at least cut his beard... We should definitely cut Kelsay for his low monotone one level voice... We should cut George Edwards cuz he looks retarded with no facial hair, if you're bald you have to at least have a mustache and he doesn't grow one so he gotta go... We should also cut our special teams coach cuz I don't even know or have ever heard his name and don't tell me cuz I don't want to know... We should cut Bryan Scott cuz he got a girly voice... And we should cut Troup cuz he kind of looks like an ugly fat girl... The The problem with the Bills is they need better looking players... If we add better looking guys and better looking cheerleaders and prefferably a couple more Hawaiian players we should be fine... We also can't go wrong with any caucasian guys with long hair cuz caucasian guys with long hair play their tail off... Guaranteed pro bowlers... FYI - for all you "arm chair" gm's that believe in Merriman...he has hit the IR 4 out of the last 5 years (3 in a row) and played a total of 21 games out of 80 possible.... Good for us though... Anyone that is still trying to defend this project or says to give it more time is insane or just blinded by all the BS that the Bills provide year in and year out. Dude, Merriman is not good for the Bills because of what? If he gets injured I'm sure in his contract there's a clause that says he has to play a certain amount of games to get a certain amount of money... There's guaranteed money and then there's incentives... Merriman may not have the stats but when he was in the game is when I last remember us even winning games dude... Him and Kyle Williams going down were big blows for this team that lacks talent on defense... Merriman healthy or not causes double teams which frees up other guys on the team to cause disruption on the line which led to interceptions early in the year so relax with this Merriman hate... The guy gets the team excited to play in the pregame and just his presence on the field helps our team... Seems like you're the armchair GM... You're the one crunching numbers on the other side of the screen... The rest of us juss want some kind of emotion from our players and Merriman brings talent leadership and emotion...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I definitely think we should cut Fitz or at least cut his beard... We should definitely cut Kelsay for his low monotone one level voice... We should cut George Edwards cuz he looks retarded with no facial hair, if you're bald you have to at least have a mustache and he doesn't grow one so he gotta go... We should also cut our special teams coach cuz I don't even know or have ever heard his name and don't tell me cuz I don't want to know... We should cut Bryan Scott cuz he got a girly voice... And we should cut Troup cuz he kind of looks like an ugly fat girl... The The problem with the Bills is they need better looking players... If we add better looking guys and better looking cheerleaders and prefferably a couple more Hawaiian players we should be fine... We also can't go wrong with any caucasian guys with long hair cuz caucasian guys with long hair play their tail off... Guaranteed pro bowlers... Dude, Merriman is not good for the Bills because of what? If he gets injured I'm sure in his contract there's a clause that says he has to play a certain amount of games to get a certain amount of money... There's guaranteed money and then there's incentives... Merriman may not have the stats but when he was in the game is when I last remember us even winning games dude... Him and Kyle Williams going down were big blows for this team that lacks talent on defense... Merriman healthy or not causes double teams which frees up other guys on the team to cause disruption on the line which led to interceptions early in the year so relax with this Merriman hate... The guy gets the team excited to play in the pregame and just his presence on the field helps our team... Seems like you're the armchair GM... You're the one crunching numbers on the other side of the screen... The rest of us juss want some kind of emotion from our players and Merriman brings talent leadership and emotion... Bruce DeHaven - maybe you should be cut from TSW for your lack of Buffalo Bills knowledge?
HuSeYiN1978 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Bruce DeHaven - maybe you should be cut from TSW for your lack of Buffalo Bills knowledge? Ummm how about I knew his name and was trying to make a joke about how noone knows who the hell he is? and umm how about out of all the nonsense i posted on that reply you took what I was saying seriously? And ummm how about you should just choke yourself cuz I'm too tired to do anything right now... I'll stretch my hand out and you juss lean your neck real hard til you pass out...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Ummm how about I knew his name and was trying to make a joke about how noone knows who the hell he is? and umm how about out of all the nonsense i posted on that reply you took what I was saying seriously? And ummm how about you should just choke yourself cuz I'm too tired to do anything right now... I'll stretch my hand out and you juss lean your neck real hard til you pass out... No one knows who he is? I'd be willing to bet that most Bills fans do know who he is, since this isn't his first rodeo with the team. If that was a joke, I apologize. It's hard to read your intended sarcasm through a (mostly) incoherent sentence.
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Merriman hurt was actually much better than any other player on the roster at generating a pash rush. If you analyze things once he left was when the Bills lost any ability to generate any pass rush.....notice I am not saying sacks but pash rush. He was at least providing a push in the pocket and was genrating some type of pressure on the opposing QBs. It is no coincidence that once he went to IR everyone started complaining about the Bills not even getting a sniff of the QB. Yep. I saw this, too. He was also being held like crazy. If they're holding you, it's obvious you're demanding attention.
DrDawkinstein Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Yep. I saw this, too. He was also being held like crazy. If they're holding you, it's obvious you're demanding attention. Great point. It doesnt matter if he is too injured to produce on the field, when the opposing OC sees Merriman's name in the lineup, they gameplan around that. When they see Batten/Carrington/etc, they go right at them.
Booger Posted December 21, 2011 Author Posted December 21, 2011 Great point. It doesnt matter if he is too injured to produce on the field, when the opposing OC sees Merriman's name in the lineup, they gameplan around that. When they see Batten/Carrington/etc, they go right at them. If a broke down LB is the only thing that we have on the D for other teams to gameplan around then they Bills are still YEARS away from competing in a 16 game season. So Sad that Merriman is who many of you cling onto for HOPE. Since Merriman's career is over in the NFL due to injury most likely caused by massive amounts of ROIDS...its time to start shooting up another player to replace his preseason heroics and 1 sack over 5 games. My vote is for MORRISON. He was supposed to be some good LB that was "holding out for the right team" (translation - no other team wanted him).... WOW with this Merriman crap....
DrDawkinstein Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 If a broke down LB is the only thing that we have on the D for other teams to gameplan around then they Bills are still YEARS away from competing in a 16 game season. So Sad that Merriman is who many of you cling onto for HOPE. Since Merriman's career is over in the NFL due to injury most likely caused by massive amounts of ROIDS...its time to start shooting up another player to replace his preseason heroics and 1 sack over 5 games. My vote is for MORRISON. He was supposed to be some good LB that was "holding out for the right team" (translation - no other team wanted him).... WOW with this Merriman crap.... If you think he's the only thing, then you dont know the roster. K Williams, Dareus, Barnett... all gameplanned for. My point was comparing Merriman to his replacements.
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 If a broke down LB is the only thing that we have on the D for other teams to gameplan around then they Bills are still YEARS away from competing in a 16 game season. So Sad that Merriman is who many of you cling onto for HOPE. Since Merriman's career is over in the NFL due to injury most likely caused by massive amounts of ROIDS...its time to start shooting up another player to replace his preseason heroics and 1 sack over 5 games. My vote is for MORRISON. He was supposed to be some good LB that was "holding out for the right team" (translation - no other team wanted him).... WOW with this Merriman crap.... If it's all downhill from age 27 then you've got a lot of front offices to savage. One of our best players on D (Barnett) is a supposedly broken-down and older LB. Merriman's a relatively inexpensive reclamation project. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. Maybe he yet will. We're not saying "wow, amazing pickup!" We're simply saying that the pressure looked better with him in there. He allowed other players to do their thing and though it didn't always result in sacks, it resulted in some defensive success - penetration, hands up, turnovers... Also, please share with us more of your intimate knowledge of biology and how steroids work. If you think he's the only thing, then you dont know the roster. K Williams, Dareus, Barnett... all gameplanned for. My point was comparing Merriman to his replacements. + this.
robertpaul49 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I agree with a lot of posters who complain about the desire of the fans to cut players. It sometimes feels like they would like revenge on the players for not living up to expectations. As far as cutting Merriman, isn't it possible that the Bills cut Maybin a little too soon. Maybin did not fit as an everydown, run stuffing linebacker, but he could have been used as pass rush specialist. Wouldn't that have helped the team more than having Spencer Johnon playing outside linebacker? The Bill shouldn't cut anyone unless they have a replacement. I understand the team is rebuilding, but it is frustrating because we hear both the complaints about how the team was not able to fill all the holes in one draft and how they should cut every veteran player. I agree with the statement about who cares about the cap space since the Bills have been basing all of their decision on cash to the cap. The Bills need two new outside linebackers, and Merriman can keep the spot warm until they find them.
HuSeYiN1978 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 No one knows who he is? I'd be willing to bet that most Bills fans do know who he is, since this isn't his first rodeo with the team. If that was a joke, I apologize. It's hard to read your intended sarcasm through a (mostly) incoherent sentence. It's ok brother... YES I was being sarcastic but these days it's hard to tell who's serious and who's not... I know who Bruce DeHaven is and I'm upset that we have him as our special teams coach as well as other coaches that we have... I'm just not one to cry over who's who and what's what... I'm more of a let's just make it to the playoffs for once at least type of guy... I wanna feel what it feels like to watch YOUR team in the playoffs cuz I don't know what it feels like... I don't care if it takes luck or God or Tebowing or money to make it to the playoffs... I wanna end the streak of not making it to the playoffs and then I'll worry about fixing the missing pieces... watever whoever has to do juss needs to do it and call it a day... (or a year) It's not working and it hasn't been working.... Therefore we need a change... I'm not saying what position needs to change but something DOES need to am I correct? Take care bro.....
K-9 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 If a broke down LB is the only thing that we have on the D for other teams to gameplan around then they Bills are still YEARS away from competing in a 16 game season. So Sad that Merriman is who many of you cling onto for HOPE. Since Merriman's career is over in the NFL due to injury most likely caused by massive amounts of ROIDS...its time to start shooting up another player to replace his preseason heroics and 1 sack over 5 games. My vote is for MORRISON. He was supposed to be some good LB that was "holding out for the right team" (translation - no other team wanted him).... WOW with this Merriman crap.... There's a difference between saying Merriman can still help if he comes back healthy and him being the only hope to cling to. This argument about his 'massive amounts of ROIDS" having caused his injuries is pure conjecture. He's been off steroids since he tested positive in pre-season of 2006. He went on to have All Pro seasons in his first two seasons off steroids in '06 and '07. And All Pro status is much harder to achieve than Pro Bowler. In 2008 he tore a ligament in his knee. Can and has happened to players who never used steroids but that can't possibly be the case with Merriman because even though he was off steroids for two years before injuring his knee, he was injured because he no longer took steroids. When he first strained his achilles he chose to play through it against the advice of team doctors in SD. The condition worsened and the rest is history. I wonder if Merriman regrets foregoing the surgery last season as his hurry to get back on the field probably got in the way of his better judgement. If the surgery was successful and the rehab progresses on schedule, at the very WORST you have our best OLB coming back with the cleanest bill of health he's had since his last All Pro season four years ago. I've heard many say, "Four years in football is an eternity." Not when you're only 27 years old, it isn't. So why don't you choose to just wait and see before pronouncing judgement? Why is that such a difficult thing to do? He doesn't break the bank, is a respected locker room leader, and has never been known to take a play off and knows how to prepare like a professional. Seems like a good guy to have around just for the example he can set. GO BILLS!!!
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Just making sure that people realize when players such as Merriman and Parrish come out and say "I want to stay in Buffalo", "I wanted to come back to Buffalo", etc. they do/say this in order to tug at emotional strings and land a contract or contract extension. Please realize that it is time to cut lose this type of player. I am not stating they are not talented, but their talent is limited to when they can actually play healthy. At this point PARRISH coming back next year should not even be a question to a functional front office. NO is the answer. Merriman coming back next year is a NO. Easley should be a NO, but may be invited to camp because of what they are paying him. Move past these players....This happens to every team, every year...it just seems as if the Bills give the most 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th chances in the NFL Dude, this team is starting spencer effing Johnson at OLB. What bright shining star would merrimen be taking reps from? Look if the bills draft Orakpo 2 and Clay Mathews 2 is the back up queue up the cut 56 talk.. But I'd rather have a fragile merrimen as a back up or starting olb than anyone on the roster today for even 1 game.
The Big Cat Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 There's a difference between saying Merriman can still help if he comes back healthy and him being the only hope to cling to. This argument about his 'massive amounts of ROIDS" having caused his injuries is pure conjecture. He's been off steroids since he tested positive in pre-season of 2006. He went on to have All Pro seasons in his first two seasons off steroids in '06 and '07. And All Pro status is much harder to achieve than Pro Bowler. In 2008 he tore a ligament in his knee. Can and has happened to players who never used steroids but that can't possibly be the case with Merriman because even though he was off steroids for two years before injuring his knee, he was injured because he no longer took steroids. When he first strained his achilles he chose to play through it against the advice of team doctors in SD. The condition worsened and the rest is history. I wonder if Merriman regrets foregoing the surgery last season as his hurry to get back on the field probably got in the way of his better judgement. If the surgery was successful and the rehab progresses on schedule, at the very WORST you have our best OLB coming back with the cleanest bill of health he's had since his last All Pro season four years ago. I've heard many say, "Four years in football is an eternity." Not when you're only 27 years old, it isn't. So why don't you choose to just wait and see before pronouncing judgement? Why is that such a difficult thing to do? He doesn't break the bank, is a respected locker room leader, and has never been known to take a play off and knows how to prepare like a professional. Seems like a good guy to have around just for the example he can set. GO BILLS!!! \thread
Booger Posted December 21, 2011 Author Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) Lol...you "Vets" amaze me...you realize that we are in 2011...2006 and 2007 were quite a few years and injuries back. Yes he is 27 years old...he has also been on the IR for the past 5 years...he made it 15 minutes into his first practice as a Bill and about 70 plays into a season over 5 games...WAKE UP You are correct though...will wait and see. Edited December 21, 2011 by Booger
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