The Evils of Socialism Explained

[3rdnlng]

This came to me via email with no author given. It may be true and it may not be true, but it's too good of an explanation to just ignore.

 

When the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Is this man truly a genius? Checked out and this is true...it DID happen!

 

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

 

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

 

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

 

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

 

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

 

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

 

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

It could not be any simpler than that. (Please pass this on)

 

 

Remember, there IS a test coming up. The 2012 elections.

 

 

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

 

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

 

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

 

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

 

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

 

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

[Jauronimo]

That story has been going around for a while and definitely pre-dates Obama. I've seen several iterations of that e-mail, but this is the first one I've come across that names Barry. Still a fun one.

[Adam]

That was interesting, but please let me add a few things

 

1. Nowhere is it saying that help shouldn't be available to those who NEED it

 

2. Nowhere does it say that socialism doesn't have useful applications. Much like capitalism, it is a tool- the people are the problems.

Edited December 19, 2011 by Adam

[Chef Jim]

That was interesting, but please let me add a few things

 

1. Nowhere is it saying that help shouldn't be available to those who NEED it

 

2. Nowhere does it say that socialism doesn't have useful applications. Much like capitalism, it is a tool- the people are the problems.

 

The challenge today is the definition of the word NEED. It has been confused with the word WANT.

[Adam]

The challenge today is the definition of the word NEED. It has been confused with the word WANT.

Exactly

[B-Large]

That was interesting, but please let me add a few things

 

1. Nowhere is it saying that help shouldn't be available to those who NEED it

 

2. Nowhere does it say that socialism doesn't have useful applications. Much like capitalism, it is a tool- the people are the problems.

 

Socialism is great when it comes to failed banks and car manufacturers... Did they WANT or NEED that help?

 

[Dante]

That was interesting, but please let me add a few things

 

1. Nowhere is it saying that help shouldn't be available to those who NEED it

 

2. Nowhere does it say that socialism doesn't have useful applications. Much like capitalism, it is a tool- the people are the problems.

What useful application does socialism have? If a system doesn't make sense you can't blame people for it. Only the ones trying to install it.

[Adam]

What useful application does socialism have? If a system doesn't make sense you can't blame people for it. Only the ones trying to install it.

There are plenty of examples of socialism in this country and none of them have been problematic.

 

I also disagree the ones installing. The system are a product of those who put them in power.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

according to snopes this never happened.

 

Not to mention that what the "college professor" was calling Obama's socialism was in fact communism. They are not the same thing.

 

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp

 

Please take the time to read the link.

Edited December 20, 2011 by Bigfatbillsfan

[3rdnlng]

according to snopes this never happened.

 

Not to mention that what the "college professor" was calling Obama's socialism was in fact communism. They are not the same thing.

 

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp

 

Please take the time to read the link.

 

 

Well fatty, you haven't disputed anything. I said it could be true or maybe wasn't, but it described you lefties very well. Regardless, if you don't see the wisdom in the OP you're an idiot and !@#$ing moron in addition to being a mudgeon to the third letter of mudgeonry.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

Well fatty, you haven't disputed anything. I said it could be true or maybe wasn't, but it described you lefties very well. Regardless, if you don't see the wisdom in the OP you're an idiot and !@#$ing moron in addition to being a mudgeon to the third letter of mudgeonry.

 

Wow, someone has some issues. You may want to talk to your doctor about Xanax.

 

I am disputing something in your post. What the "college professor" was describing was not socialism. It was communism. They are not the same thing. I would tell you to look it up, but considering you didn't bother to find out if your E-mail was even true I would say it's safe to say that you wouldn't bother.

 

And remember to talk to your doctor about that Xanax. It'll make you feel better.

Edited December 20, 2011 by Bigfatbillsfan

[3rdnlng]

Wow, someone has some issues. You may want to talk to your doctor about Xanax.

 

I am disputing something in your post. What the "college professor" was describing was not socialism. It was communism. They are not the same thing. I would tell you to look it up, but considering you didn't bother to find out if your E-mail was even true I would say it's safe to say that you wouldn't bother.

 

And remember to talk to your doctor about that Xanax. It'll make you feel better.

 

 

You truly are an ass and I'm pretty sure a longer term poster here using an alias. I stated in the OP that I wasn't sure if the story was true or not. Does it really matter? The sentiment is what counts. Regardless, Snopes merely calls it a legend. Do you think that grade averaging would be a good thing?

[Cinga]

You truly are an ass and I'm pretty sure a longer term poster here using an alias. I stated in the OP that I wasn't sure if the story was true or not. Does it really matter? The sentiment is what counts. Regardless, Snopes merely calls it a legend. Do you think that grade averaging would be a good thing?

 

Fatty was one of our liberal stalwarts over on the "other" board... A lot of his posts never make sense....

[3rdnlng]

Fatty was one of our liberal stalwarts over on the "other" board... A lot of his posts never make sense....

 

Looks like he'll fit right in with our Keith Olbermann wannabees here.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

Fatty was one of our liberal stalwarts over on the "other" board... A lot of his posts never make sense....

 

Most of my posts didn't make sense to you. That's because they were most likely a little over your head. In face I think most of the rights would always complain the the lefties' posts didn't make sense.

[Alaska Darin]

Most of my posts didn't make sense to you. That's because they were most likely a little over your head. In face I think most of the rights would always complain the the lefties' posts didn't make sense.

Is this an example of your "heightened" brand of wisdom?

[Bigfatbillsfan]

You truly are an ass and I'm pretty sure a longer term poster here using an alias. I stated in the OP that I wasn't sure if the story was true or not. Does it really matter? The sentiment is what counts. Regardless, Snopes merely calls it a legend. Do you think that grade averaging would be a good thing?

 

Let me see if I can explain this to you again. What the professor was calling socialism was in fact communism. They are not the same thing. That's the part of the OP that I take issue with.

 

No, I don't think grade sharing is a good thing but that is not socialism to begin with. Grade sharing would be more in the realm of communism. Socialism would be the fact that all the students have access to the teacher. Like I said. They are not the same thing.

 

Is this an example of your "heightened" brand of wisdom?

 

Did I say it was?

[erynthered]

Most of my posts didn't make sense to you. That's because they were most likely a little over your head. In face I think most of the rights would always complain the the lefties' posts didn't make sense.

 

 

Oh, the irony.

[Juror#8]

1. Socialism is the "ism" ascribed to any concept of taxing earned income from some folks to subsidize others.

 

2. No nationally relevant politician has advocated any full-bore or wholesale political socialism in the last few election cycles.

 

3. Some politicians have advocated a taxpayer subsidy for certain public welfare programs.

 

4. Many on the fringes of society believe that those welfare programs represent a socialist ideology (either in prinicipal or a burgeoning socialist state).

 

5. Those fringe folks would have liked Joseph McCarthy, live in Michigan, and stockpile Spam, bread and water.

 

6. Full-bore Socialism seems to work in small, European mini-states. The U.S., though, is not a small European mini-state.

 

7. The folks who complain about socialism the most, in my expeirence, seem to be the biggest beneficiaries of Federal Student Loans - incidentally one of the biggest social welfare programs in the country.

 

7 a. They usually justify their hypocracy by pointing out that with student loans, they have to pay it back. What they don't realize is, is that many of the welfare programs (as governed by states) limit total time an individual can be on welfare and mandate job searches. Job searches, ostensibly, brings job procurement which leads to income generation which results in replenishment of the system via good ole 26 U.S.C. 1.

 

8. I'm conservative, but I'm also pragmatic and a realist (the glass is not half-empty or half-full; there is just water in the damn glass). I feel that it's not the public welfare programs that are the problem principally, it's the inefficiency and implementation of them.

 

9. Without social programs and "welfare," we'd have anarchy, public looting, and vigilantism.

 

10. The resulting political state would be one of absolutist government power (after the country ascended out of some weird hue of martial law) - which would position us way to the left on the political spectrum.

 

Nobody wants that. Fix the system. Give people bread, and cookies, and canned pineapples. Unfortunately, a few folks will get their nails done on your dollar. Thankfully, more than that will have a meal because of your [unintended] generosity. Deal with it. The alternative is much worse.

Edited December 20, 2011 by Juror#8

[DC Tom]

7 a. They usually justify their hypocracy by pointing out that with student loans, they have to pay it back. What they don't relaize is, is that many of the welfare programs (as governed by states) limit total time an individual can be on welfare and mandate job searches. Job searches, ostensibly, brings job procurement which leads to income generation which results in replenishment of the system via good ole 26 U.S.C. 1.

 

 

Job searches create jobs. That's brilliant.

 

Number eight.