The Evils of Socialism Explained

[Alaska Darin]

don't let it bother you big cat. the chorus wants to box you in a neat package with a simple label...it makes it much easier on their yes-no,right-wrong dualist thought processes to function. they tried the same with me and were so far off that i'm still laughing about it.

You're such a victim.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

Had you bothered to crack a text book or even copied and pasted the definition from wikipediathen you might not have offered the most worthless definition of psychological projection ever recorded in the English language. Open that DSM and regurgitate something useful aspiring psych student, its not that hard. Or you could just drop that act all together as I, and I'm pretty sure everyone else at PPP, are already very familiar with the term.

 

You continue to assume that you have a monopoly on everyday words and concepts. If you had any ready comprehension skills whatsoever you'd see that the elementary factoids and opinions you express are already clearly understood. Instead you jump in to the middle of a discussion regarding the causality of job creation to clear up the differences between attain and procure, as if there was any confusion to begin with. Not only do you attempt to condescend to individuals who are clearly more intelligent than yourself, but you can't even do it competently as your "lessons" are rife with typos and demonstrate only the most superficial understanding.

 

Do yourself a favor and go back to page 2. You totally miss the boat with your first post, sprinkle in a kindergarten explanation of the agg demand model for reasons which are inexplicable given the context of the thread, totally whiff again on my sarcastic reply, admit you know nothing about basic economic theory, again whiff on sarcasm, then you prove that you have no idea what attain and obtain mean*, all in order to demonstrate for a second time that you have no idea what DC Tom was getting at and no clue about causality.

 

I think I'll go attain another cup of coffee, idiot.

 

*at·tain/əˈtān/

Verb:

 

Succeed in achieving (something that one desires and has worked for): "he attained the rank of admiral".

Reach (a specified age, size, or amount): "dolphins can attain remarkable speeds in water".

 

ob·tain/əbˈtān/

Verb:

 

Get, acquire, or secure (something): "an opportunity to obtain advanced degrees".

Be prevalent, customary, or established: "the price of silver fell to that obtaining elsewhere".

 

I'm not quite sure why you need to hijack this thread into pissing contest on who has the better grasp on the english langage. For somon hu seams to be such a champion of reading comprehenshun I find it disterbing that you didnt evn notis i am not an aspirering sike student.

 

I make no claim to have anything other than a rudimentary grasp on the english langwaj. I don't no what dikshunary you r using but here is what I found in two diferant ones.

 

at·tain   /əˈteɪn/ Show Spelled[uh-teyn] Show IPA

verb (used with object)

1. to reach, achieve, or accomplish; gain; obtain: to attain one's goals.

2. to come to or arrive at, especially after some labor or tedium; reach: to attain the age of 96; to attain the mountain peak.

 

ob·tain   /əbˈteɪn/ Show Spelled[uhb-teyn] Show IPA

verb (used with object)

1. to come into possession of; get, acquire, or procure, as through an effort or by a request: to obtain permission; to obtain a better income.

2. Obsolete . to attain or reach.

 

Here is one from Webster's

 

Definition of ATTAIN

transitive verb

1: to reach as an end : gain, achieve <attain a goal>

2: to come into possession of : obtain <he attained preferment over his fellows>

3: to come to as the end of a progression or course of movement <they attained the top of the hill> <attain a ripe old age>

 

Definition of OBTAIN

transitive verb

1: to gain or attain usually by planned action or effort.

 

Here are the sinanims listid for them:

 

Related to OBTAIN

Synonyms: acquire, attain, bag, bring in, capture, carry, come by, draw, gain, garner, get, knock down, land, make, earn, procure, pull down, realize, reap, secure, win

 

Related to Attain

Synonyms: acquire, bag, bring in, capture, carry, come by, draw, gain, garner, get, knock down, land, make, obtain, procure, pull down, realize, reap, secure, win

 

I even threw some mis-spelled words in there to make you feal beder.

 

My spelling is not the best, and I make as many typos as any other poster. This is a message board, not a sientiphik paper. However, when someone thinks the word procure means create I beleve it may need some cleering up.

 

You also mite want to hold off on attaining that other cup of cofy,(especially if it's what's causing you to post this incessant drivel) since by the deffanishuns that you posted posted, you would be obtaining another cup of cofy.

 

Not to menshon that I did copy and paste the link from wikapedia. Are you feeling OK?

 

I'll let you guys get back to the circle jerk now.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Bigfatbillsfan

[Jauronimo]

You also mite want to hold off on attaining that other cup of cofy,(especially if it's what's causing you to post this incessant drivel) since by the deffanishuns that you posted posted, you would be obtaining another cup of cofy.

And yet you still think that was an accidental misuse rather than a parting shot. Fine work.

 

Sorry for the mix-up, aspiring sociology student. Gave you too much credit there for a moment. Thanks for clearing that up.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Jauronimo

[Chef Jim]

Don't worry, been laughing about it all week.

 

So you have an issues with me calling you a psychologist but not a touchy-feely liberal?

Edited December 30, 2011 by Chef Jim

[3rdnlng]

And yet you still think that was an accidental misuse rather than a parting shot. Fine work.

 

Sorry for the mix-up, aspiring sociology student. Gave you too much credit there for a moment. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Aw, give him a break. As a "project" there is some hope for him. Afterall, he did learn to spell "attain".

[Bigfatbillsfan]

And yet you still think that was an accidental misuse rather than a parting shot. Fine work.

 

Sorry for the mix-up, aspiring sociology student. Gave you too much credit there for a moment. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Given the general lack of thought that goes into most of your posts I could deduce that being able to pour yourself a cup of coffee is one hell of an achievement for you.

 

Aw, give him a break. As a "project" there is some hope for him. Afterall, he did learn to spell "attain".

 

So you spent a page-and-a-half frothing over a typo. Very mature.

 

So you have an issues with me calling you a psychologist but not a touchy-feely liberal?

 

You're assuming I think liberal is something I should be ashamed of.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Bigfatbillsfan

[3rdnlng]

Given the general lack of thought that goes into most of your posts I could deduce that being able to pour yourself a cup of coffee is one hell of an achievement for you.

 

 

 

So you spent a page-and-a-half frothing over a typo. Very mature.

 

You're assuming I think liberal is something I should be ashamed of.

 

 

I spent a page and a half "frothing over a typo? Wrong. Typo? Typing it that way once is a typo. Doing it more than once and claiming it is a typo most likely makes you a liar.

[Jauronimo]

Given the general lack of thought that goes into most of your posts I could deduce that being able to pour yourself a cup of coffee is one hell of an achievement for you.

Since we've already established that deductive reasoning really isn't your strong suit, I'm not terribly offended by your latest deduction. Let's be serious, so far you've deduced that you're the smartest man in the room, that everyone but you is unemployed, and that dictionaries and the internet are resources only available to you. All this in just one month. Can't wait to see what you've got in store for us in the new year.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

Since we've already established that deductive reasoning really isn't your strong suit, I'm not terribly offended by your latest deduction. Let's be serious, so far you've deduced that you're the smartest man in the room, that everyone but you is unemployed, and that dictionaries and the internet are resources only available to you. All this in just one month. Can't wait to see what you've got in store for us in the new year.

 

If this is your attempt at deductive reasoning I'd say it isn't your strong suit either. In the coming year I plan on proving that we all don't really exist. The moon is made of string cheese and not Swiss cheese, and then I will top it all off by hyper-warping backward and forward in time with my eyes close all while balancing a pickle on my nose.

[3rdnlng]

If this is your attempt at deductive reasoning I'd say it isn't your strong suit either. In the coming year I plan on proving that we all don't really exist. The moon is made of string cheese and not Swiss cheese, and then I will top it all off by hyper-warping backward and forward in time with my eyes close closed, all while balancing a pickle on my nose.

 

 

fixed

 

What's this schit about proving that we all don't really exist? Just because you aren't all there, that has no bearing on the rest of us.

Edited December 31, 2011 by 3rdnlng

[Bigfatbillsfan]

fixed

 

What's this schit about proving that we all don't really exist? Just because you aren't all there, that has no bearing on the rest of us.

 

Still frothing over typos? Could I point out the **** isn't spelled with a c in it?

[3rdnlng]

Still frothing over typos? Could I point out the **** isn't spelled with a c in it?

 

The schit? You aren't even a good troll.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

The schit? You aren't even a good troll.

 

I was wondering when you were going to start throwing the troll card! I'm not a troll. I come here once a day for my political "fix" I like to talk politics. You're the one who turned this into a pissing contest about spelling and typos.

[3rdnlng]

I was wondering when you were going to start throwing the troll card! I'm not a troll. I come here once a day for my political "fix" I like to talk politics. You're the one who turned this into a pissing contest about spelling and typos.

 

Spelling and typos are not the same. Claiming a misspelled word is a typo when you've done it numerous times just makes you a liar. Spelling and typos are the least of your problems. It's obvious that you aren't very bright, but you compound that with your Kool-Aide drinking adherence to your central party line.

[Cinga]

Spelling and typos are not the same. Claiming a misspelled word is a typo when you've done it numerous times just makes you a liar. Spelling and typos are the least of your problems. It's obvious that you aren't very bright, but you compound that with your Kool-Aide drinking adherence to your central party line.

 

When you get to know Fatty better, you will come to realize there is absolutely NOTHING, "central" about his beliefs...

[Bigfatbillsfan]

I'm going to try to put this to bed in this post. I am no smarter or more educated than most of the people on this board. Attain was a typo. When I type fast I tend to leave out double letters. For instance sometimes I might type leter instead of letter or litle instead of little. I was dyslexic as a child and still have some holdover problems when it comes to double letters. However, I still misspell plenty of words. This all started because someone thought that procure meant create. The only thing I was trying to do was correct the misinformation. I'm not sure what you get out of calling people idiot all the time but I guess that's just your thing.

 

Aw, give him a break. As a "project" there is some hope for him. Afterall, he did learn to spell "attain".

 

I left this out the first time to avoid more embarrassment for you but since now it's going to be all about how typos and misspelled words I can inform you that after all are two separate words. Can we put this to bed now?

 

When you get to know Fatty better, you will come to realize there is absolutely NOTHING, "central" about his beliefs...

 

I, however, see that as a good thing.

Edited January 1, 2012 by Bigfatbillsfan

[DC Tom]

I'm going to try to put this to bed in this post. I am no smarter or more educated than most of the people on this board.

 

Substantially less, I'd wager. And you'd be well advised to remember that. There are some SERIOUSLY smart and well-educated people on this board. Lot of morons too, of course.

 

Guess which group you're in, skippy?

[Bigfatbillsfan]

Substantially less, I'd wager. And you'd be well advised to remember that. There are some SERIOUSLY smart and well-educated people on this board. Lot of morons too, of course.

 

Guess which group you're in, skippy?

 

You're right, there are some SERIOUSLY smart and well-educated people on this message board. And looking back on past threads I've seen them take apart and collapse your arguments pretty thoroughly while you call them retarded and stupid. If I'm at the back of the class here, you're sitting right next to me.

Edited January 1, 2012 by Bigfatbillsfan

[DC Tom]

You're right, there are some SERIOUSLY smart and well-educated people on this message board. And looking back on past threads I've seen them take apart and collapse your arguments pretty thoroughly while you call them retarded and stupid. If I'm at the back of the class here, you're sitting right next to me.

 

Are you sure you're reading this board?

[OCinBuffalo]

You're funny with this "the evidence clearly shows" bs. You've found some term, tried to make it a pejorative, and are now throwing it around as if it's an exact science.

 

I ask you for a simple !@#$ing thing...one simple request, and you can't oblige that with an equally straight-forward response.

 

You respond back with all this bull **** about "the whole world knows that what's his face is such and such and if you don't get it...balh...blah...blah...." That's such a weasel-ass, yellow-bellied response. You make us conservatives look bad. You have to be able to articulate your position, be ready to support it, and not just make declarative statements that rely on the strength of................................the declarative statement. I would love to see you debate one of those sweetie pies in DuPont Circle. They would eat you alive intellectually and then ask you out on a date.

 

At least I now know one thing about you; you have no !@#$ing nuts - like il Castrato. Sing for me castrati.

 

I'll leave it there. You're wasting my time. You won't answer my questions and you keep going with this schtik. Get some sleep.

How long do you think the post that does what your asking is?(To: DC_Tom From: OCinBuffalo....Merry Christmas!) If we go back to 2003 and study the behavior of the Democrats from there until today, it's practically impossible not to conclude that their intention was to make changes in this country that are modeled on European Socialism. Impossible not to conclude. Now, you want me to go through and cite every single example? Why? What purpose does that serve? Why separate Obama from this agenda? He most certainly was a part of it.

 

Don't fool yourself, I can do what you want, but, before I spend 4 hours writing that post, and pissing everyone off due to its length, I want to know why this is necessary. What do any of us stand to gain from me exhaustively documenting something we already know? Why can't we just cut to the chase and say what we all know, regardless of whether we choose to admit it?

 

I don't think of myself as a conservative as much as I try to be about results. Ultimately party/ideology matters not. In my lifetime, the people who have gotten them(Reagan and Clinton) have pursued government reduction policies. The people who have failed(Cater, Bush 2 and Obama) have pursued government increases. It's as simple as that. And, I already have eaten plenty of DC sweetie pies alive. Plenty. Last one was an Admiral's daughter who I should probably call next time I'm there because she's much better than I am.

I don't expect you to support to schit. The only thing that I hoped that you would do was debate honestly the points that I've already raised in response to your regurgitated mess above.

 

"Destroying the humanity of entire extended families...," really? Did you get this schit from the Hindenburg narrative?

 

You can't deal with the paradox created by your assertion that the abjectly impoverished, the enfeebled, the handicapped, and the psychologically incapable should avoid welfare (and in that context taxpayer subsidized food, water, shelter) in order to promote dignity and self-worth even if they kick the bucket as a result.

 

So in order to avoid the paradox, you attenuate your contention by discussing the effects on the !@#$ing extended families.

 

Oh wow. That's !@#$ing brilliant castrato.

Look who doesn't know the difference between social security and welfare . Wait, don't you work for the government? Then why do I know which programs apply to whom better than you do? There are programs for the helpless. Welfare, on the other hand was purposely designed for the clueless, and my simple point is that it's keeping them that way.

 

Able bodied, sound minded people, who could be working, are being handed money for doing nothing, and you think that has 0 effect on them? You think that 60 years of this has no effect on a family? Like I said, you are defending a ridiculous position based on nothing more than emotion and/or nostalgia. It's the same thing with the people who think drugs should be illegal. There's no logic to your position at all: all we hear is threats about the boogeymen that will appear if we don't go along with your delusions, and ignore the facts you don't like.

 

Speaking of delusions: What happened to your "interim period" idea? Not so good when put into the context of Welfare being a 180 year program, is it now?

 

Buddy, you aren't winning this argument. You can throw around some more useless paragraphs that contain the irrelevant, but it's not going to make welfare any less of a psychological disease that is purposely being spread by the government. It's not going to suddenly, magically, produce the results LBJ promised. And, it's not going to stop producing the unintended consequences he didn't consider back in 1965 either.

 

I understand your motives, and in most cases I not only agree, I also share them. However, your methods suck ass, and it's far past time to get new ones. Since when should we be treating anything that came from LBJ, who sucked so bad he had to quit, as though it's sacred? Why is the guy who was obviously inept as a leader, suddenly a genius only when we talk about Medicare, Medicaid and Welfare, but goes right back to idiot again when anything else comes up?

 

This is retarded. We should have cleaned out all of the LBJ mess in the late 1990s, when we had the money/time and replaced it with programs that work. Now, we are paying for that indecision.

Edited January 2, 2012 by OCinBuffalo