The Evils of Socialism Explained

[Jim in Anchorage]

Damn, you are really stupid, DC rarely starts threads. For the short time you have been a member of this board you have "atained" Conneresque status. Your most noble option is to slink away.

I don't remember Conner being this angry. This stupid,yes but not as angry.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

I don't remember Conner being this angry. This stupid,yes but not as angry.

 

I'm not quite sure where you're getting angry. There could be some projection going on here. (that's where you "project" your own feelings onto another person to help you deal with them. Anger is usually the most common, guilt is a close second)

 

Or perhaps you are under the impression that pressing the "stupid" button works. (pressing a button is where you do something to try to manipulate the feelings or behavior of another person for your own amusement or to feel powerful.) An example of this might be when my 4 year old pokes my 2 year old in the back seat of the car for no other purpose than to piss her off. My 9 year old seems to have outgrown this phase of her development. You may want to try some therapy to see what caused you to get hung up here.

[Alaska Darin]

I'm not quite sure where you're getting angry. There could be some projection going on here. (that's where you "project" your own feelings onto another person to help you deal with them. Anger is usually the most common, guilt is a close second)

 

Or perhaps you are under the impression that pressing the "stupid" button works. (pressing a button is where you do something to try to manipulate the feelings or behavior of another person for your own amusement or to feel powerful.) An example of this might be when my 4 year old pokes my 2 year old in the back seat of the car for no other purpose than to piss her off. My 9 year old seems to have outgrown this phase of her development. You may want to try some therapy to see what caused you to get hung up here.

But someone else is "projecting"?

[DC Tom]

I'm not quite sure where you're getting angry. There could be some projection going on here. (that's where you "project" your own feelings onto another person to help you deal with them. Anger is usually the most common, guilt is a close second)

 

Or perhaps you are under the impression that pressing the "stupid" button works. (pressing a button is where you do something to try to manipulate the feelings or behavior of another person for your own amusement or to feel powerful.) An example of this might be when my 4 year old pokes my 2 year old in the back seat of the car for no other purpose than to piss her off. My 9 year old seems to have outgrown this phase of her development. You may want to try some therapy to see what caused you to get hung up here.

 

You're an idiot.

[Chef Jim]

I'm not quite sure where you're getting angry. There could be some projection going on here. (that's where you "project" your own feelings onto another person to help you deal with them. Anger is usually the most common, guilt is a close second)

 

Or perhaps you are under the impression that pressing the "stupid" button works. (pressing a button is where you do something to try to manipulate the feelings or behavior of another person for your own amusement or to feel powerful.) An example of this might be when my 4 year old pokes my 2 year old in the back seat of the car for no other purpose than to piss her off. My 9 year old seems to have outgrown this phase of her development. You may want to try some therapy to see what caused you to get hung up here.

 

Oh so it all makes sense now. So you're one of those touchy-feely liberal psychologists aren't you?

[Jauronimo]

I'm not quite sure where you're getting angry. There could be some projection going on here. (that's where you "project" your own feelings onto another person to help you deal with them. Anger is usually the most common, guilt is a close second)

 

Or perhaps you are under the impression that pressing the "stupid" button works. (pressing a button is where you do something to try to manipulate the feelings or behavior of another person for your own amusement or to feel powerful.) An example of this might be when my 4 year old pokes my 2 year old in the back seat of the car for no other purpose than to piss her off. My 9 year old seems to have outgrown this phase of her development. You may want to try some therapy to see what caused you to get hung up here.

I've never encountered a human being with such mastery of the obvious. Projection is projecting?? Really?? Way to use the underlying word in the definition. Can't wait for your next lesson.

 

Def: Cat - an animal that is a cat.

[DC Tom]

I've never encountered a human being with such mastery of the obvious. Projection is projecting?? Really?? Way to use the underlying word in the definition. Can't wait for your next lesson.

 

Def: Cat - an animal that is a cat.

 

If he's such a master of the obvious, why did he accuse me of not being able to define socialism immediately after I provided the book definition of socialism?

 

 

But he's not an idiot. I'm just projecting.

[Jauronimo]

If he's such a master of the obvious, why did he accuse me of not being able to define socialism immediately after I provided the book definition of socialism?

 

 

But he's not an idiot. I'm just projecting.

Perhaps if you could procure, which means to get through the process of procurement, a steady job, you could then afford to obtain a dictionary, which is a resource containing words and their corresponding definitions, and through which atain vast, which means great, big, or large, knowledge like bigfatbills. Also, water is a wet substance with the properties of water.

[DC Tom]

Perhaps if you could procure, which means to get through the process of procurement, a steady job, you could then afford to obtain a dictionary, which is a resource containing words and their corresponding definitions, and through which atain vast, which means great, big, or large, knowledge like bigfatbills. Also, water is a wet substance with the properties of water.

 

Did yuo ever stop to consider that your post is a post?

[Jauronimo]

Did yuo ever stop to consider that your post is a post?

Huh? Whats' a post?

[Adam]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Chef Jim]

Huh? Whats' a post?

 

No Who's a post.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

Wow, looks like you guys have had quite the circle jerk in here in the last 18 hours. I almost hate to have to post in here and break it up.

 

 

 

Oh so it all makes sense now. So you're one of those touchy-feely liberal psychologists aren't you?

 

My degree is in sociology. There is quite a bit of psychology in sociology though I don't think you need a degree in psychology to know what's going on here. I am currently working on my masters in sociology.

 

I've never encountered a human being with such mastery of the obvious. Projection is projecting?? Really?? Way to use the underlying word in the definition. Can't wait for your next lesson.

 

Def: Cat - an animal that is a cat.

 

1.

a projecting or protruding part.

2.

the state or fact of jutting out or protruding.

3.

a causing to jut or protrude.

4.

the act, process, or result of projecting.

 

This is from a dictionary. I was speaking of psychological projection. Not to mention you can use the root word in the definition of one of it's sub-categories. I thought that placing the word project in quotation marks might tip you off to this fact.

 

Perhaps if you could procure, which means to get through the process of procurement, a steady job, you could then afford to obtain a dictionary, which is a resource containing words and their corresponding definitions, and through which atain vast, which means great, big, or large, knowledge like bigfatbills. Also, water is a wet substance with the properties of water.

 

See my above post. If you had bothered to attain a dictionary yourself and look up the word projection before you posted this you wouldn't look like such an ass. I do have a steady job by the way. considering you guys seem to be able to post all hours of the day I could deduce that you may not.

 

You can also read a little more about psychological projection here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

 

Now is there any other information you need spoon-fed to you?

Edited December 30, 2011 by Bigfatbillsfan

[Bigfatbillsfan]

If he's such a master of the obvious, why did he accuse me of not being able to define socialism immediately after I provided the book definition of socialism?

 

 

But he's not an idiot. I'm just projecting.

 

Your book definition of socialism is narrow and extremely to the far left of the spectrum. The full definition and spectrum of it is too broad to pin down in just a few words. It can vary from collecting taxes from citizens and turning them back to the citizens in the form of a service to communal ownership of property or a service. Examples of this could be your local police department or a public park. Even in the farther left spectrum it still leaves room for the free market where wealth tends to end up in the hands of people who work hard and take risk. Take a vacation to some of the more socialistic nations in western Europe and you'll still see a wide range wealth distribution.

 

Once you get into communal ownership of everything including the means of production is when you start to make the move into communism. Communism also denies the market and seeks to forcibly suppress emergent systems tied to supply and demand. That's why it doesn't work. The market just is. It's like the laws of physics. Denying it is a revolt against reality. Communism can be considered a type of socialism thus why you might find that definition in a book. However they really are not the same thing.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Bigfatbillsfan

[DC Tom]

Your book definition of socialism is narrow and extremely to the far left of the spectrum. The full definition and spectrum of it is too broad to pin down in just a few words. It can vary from collecting taxes from citizens and turning them back to the citizens in the form of a service to communal ownership of property or a service. Examples of this could be your local police department or a public park. Even in the farther left spectrum it still leaves room for the free market where wealth tends to end up in the hands of people who work hard and take risk. Take a vacation to some of the more socialistic nations in western Europe and you'll still see a wide range wealth distribution.

 

Once you get into communal ownership of everything including the means of production is when you start to make the move into communism. Communism also denies the market and seeks to forcibly suppress emergent systems tied to supply and demand. That's why it doesn't work. The market just is. It's like the laws of physics. Denying it is a revolt against reality. Communism can be considered a type of socialism thus why you might find that definition in a book. However they really are not the same thing.

 

 

Wow. After TWO DAYS of denying I ever said anything constructive, you finally go ahead and respond to what you claim I didn't say, by restating it. "Communism is communal ownership." "Communism and socialism are different." "Socialism is government control of the means of economic output and distribution." Which you say is too narrow as a book definition when, if anything, it's overly broad ("means of economic output and distribution" covers a wide variety of things, from the resource rationing and allocation and central economic planning of Nazi Germany to the "taxation and redistribution" welfare practices of '60s Britain).

 

And then you, somehow, go and claim that parks and law enforcement are socialist.

 

Absolutely stunning. Simultaneously master of the obvious AND spectacularly, hilariously wrong.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

Wow. After TWO DAYS of denying I ever said anything constructive, you finally go ahead and respond to what you claim I didn't say, by restating it. "Communism is communal ownership." "Communism and socialism are different." "Socialism is government control of the means of economic output and distribution." Which you say is too narrow as a book definition when, if anything, it's overly broad ("means of economic output and distribution" covers a wide variety of things, from the resource rationing and allocation and central economic planning of Nazi Germany to the "taxation and redistribution" welfare practices of '60s Britain).

 

And then you, somehow, go and claim that parks and law enforcement are socialist.

 

Absolutely stunning. Simultaneously master of the obvious AND spectacularly, hilariously wrong.

 

Dear God, You. Are. Hopeless.

[birdog1960]

Oh so it all makes sense now. So you're one of those touchy-feely liberal psychologists aren't you?

don't let it bother you big cat. the chorus wants to box you in a neat package with a simple label...it makes it much easier on their yes-no,right-wrong dualist thought processes to function. they tried the same with me and were so far off that i'm still laughing about it.

[Bigfatbillsfan]

don't let it bother you big cat. the chorus wants to box you in a neat package with a simple label...it makes it much easier on their yes-no,right-wrong dualist thought processes to function. they tried the same with me and were so far off that i'm still laughing about it.

 

Don't worry, been laughing about it all week.

[Jauronimo]

1.

a projecting or protruding part.

2.

the state or fact of jutting out or protruding.

3.

a causing to jut or protrude.

4.

the act, process, or result of projecting.

 

This is from a dictionary. I was speaking of psychological projection. Not to mention you can use the root word in the definition of one of it's sub-categories. I thought that placing the word project in quotation marks might tip you off to this fact.

 

See my above post. If you had bothered to attain a dictionary yourself and look up the word projection before you posted this you wouldn't look like such an ass. I do have a steady job by the way. considering you guys seem to be able to post all hours of the day I could deduce that you may not.

 

You can also read a little more about psychological projection here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

 

Now is there any other information you need spoon-fed to you?

Had you bothered to crack a text book or even copied and pasted the definition from wikipedia then you might not have offered the most worthless definition of psychological projection ever recorded in the English language. Open that DSM and regurgitate something useful aspiring psych student, its not that hard. Or you could just drop that act all together as I, and I'm pretty sure everyone else at PPP, are already very familiar with the term.

 

You continue to assume that you have a monopoly on everyday words and concepts. If you had any ready comprehension skills whatsoever you'd see that the elementary factoids and opinions you express are already clearly understood. Instead you jump in to the middle of a discussion regarding the causality of job creation to clear up the differences between attain and procure, as if there was any confusion to begin with. Not only do you attempt to condescend to individuals who are clearly more intelligent than yourself, but you can't even do it competently as your "lessons" are rife with typos and demonstrate only the most superficial understanding.

 

Do yourself a favor and go back to page 2. You totally miss the boat with your first post, sprinkle in a kindergarten explanation of the agg demand model for reasons which are inexplicable given the context of the thread, totally whiff again on my sarcastic reply, admit you know nothing about basic economic theory, again whiff on sarcasm, then you prove that you have no idea what attain and obtain mean*, all in order to demonstrate for a second time that you have no idea what DC Tom was getting at and no clue about causality.

 

I think I'll go attain another cup of coffee, idiot.

 

*at·tain/əˈtān/

Verb:

 

Succeed in achieving (something that one desires and has worked for): "he attained the rank of admiral".

Reach (a specified age, size, or amount): "dolphins can attain remarkable speeds in water".

 

ob·tain/əbˈtān/

Verb:

 

Get, acquire, or secure (something): "an opportunity to obtain advanced degrees".

Be prevalent, customary, or established: "the price of silver fell to that obtaining elsewhere".

[Adam]

Wow. I thought we were talking about astral projection for a second. Or witness protection.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Adam