ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) Question: Can a delusional person really know if he's delusional? Edited December 20, 2011 by ICanSleepWhenI'mDead
BillsfaninFl Posted December 20, 2011 Author Posted December 20, 2011 I like the part where you did an irresponsibly cursory look at Wilson's life and then pretended to know what the man does/doesn't care about. Are you under the impression that most NFL owners are ravenous football fans who just happen upon a billion dollars? No. I believe that the owners are rich men who want to get richer. However, I also believe that some of them are passionate about winning in the NFL. I'm sure you could think of a few.
BillsNeedaQBin2012 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 12 years no playoffs 11 starters sucking 10 key injuries 9 losses this season 8 first round busts 7 losing seasons 6 years for Fitz fiiiive laaaame coooaaachess 4 bad linebackers 3 first round backs 2 crap play-callers and an owner who needs to sell the team
BillsfaninFl Posted December 20, 2011 Author Posted December 20, 2011 I may be mistaken but I thought Ralph sold most if not all of his other business ventures and just has the Bills. If you are interested, IcansleepwhenI'mdead listed some of Wilson's other businesses in his post of June or July, 2011.
K-9 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 ...My point was that Wilson is an absentee owner who does not consider the Bills his passion (see horses) and doesn't care about the folks in western New York. Do you disagree? I certainly disagree. Just because RW has other passions doesn't mean the Bills AREN'T a passion. And, until the last couple years, while Wilson didn't call WNY home, he was NEVER an absentee owner. He's attended nearly every home game since their inception. And it's ironic that anyone would call him absentee when all he's ever been accused of is being a meddling owner. Also, I'm unaware of Wilson bailing out two other horse owners so they could keep their operations afloat and not go out of business. As to not caring about the people in WNY, his public remarks about the home fans over the years suggest otherwise. There's a difference between an owner who doesn't operate the team in a manner that YOU see fit and one who doesn't care about the fans. GO BILLS!!!
BaaadThingsMan Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Buffalo was prolly convenient because of its close proximity to detroit and because of all the steel money. Now its just a burden to him it seems.
MattM Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Guess again. If the Bills sell for a billion, which I doubt, the Wilson family does not walk away with anything close to that figure. Regarding the list of billionaires, it is based on public records and is often distorted toward lesser figures. There are a lot more billionaires in the U.S. than is publicly known. My point was that Wilson is an absentee owner who does not consider the Bills his passion (see horses) and doesn't care about the folks in western New York. Do you disagree? Yeah, he's an absentee owner just out for the most profit he can haul in. Ohhh, wait, the guy spent most of the last 30 plus summers in WNY at training camp and could have probably nearly doubled his money moving the team to LA. He may not be competent at running the team, but I personally suspect his heart's in the right place. I also personally suspect that he gave up running this team at anywhere near a microwavel a looong time ago. Want someone to blame for the penny-pinching ways? May want to look at those around Ralph first, namely those whose pockets get lined with the Littman-saved loot....
BaaadThingsMan Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I certainly disagree. Just because RW has other passions doesn't mean the Bills AREN'T a passion. And, until the last couple years, while Wilson didn't call WNY home, he was NEVER an absentee owner. He's attended nearly every home game since their inception. And it's ironic that anyone would call him absentee when all he's ever been accused of is being a meddling owner. Also, I'm unaware of Wilson bailing out two other horse owners so they could keep their operations afloat and not go out of business. As to not caring about the people in WNY, his public remarks about the home fans over the years suggest otherwise. Ralph has always lived in Detroit...he just used to make all the games till his health went bad. I thank him for his service to the Bills and the community through the years. I only hope he does us one more solid and sells the team to a group from Buffalo who will keep the team "home"......or atleast instruct his heirs to sell locally!!!!! There's a difference between an owner who doesn't operate the team in a manner that YOU see fit and one who doesn't care about the fans. GO BILLS!!!
Bob in STL Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 This part is simply not true. The Bills make up the vast part of Ralph's net worth. They are worth close to a Billion and he is not listed as a Billionaire so the remainder of his fortune is clearly not that big. thank you for correcting this person. Guess again. If the Bills sell for a billion, which I doubt, the Wilson family does not walk away with anything close to that figure. Regarding the list of billionaires, it is based on public records and is often distorted toward lesser figures. There are a lot more billionaires in the U.S. than is publicly known. My point was that Wilson is an absentee owner who does not consider the Bills his passion (see horses) and doesn't care about the folks in western New York. Do you disagree? You excel at being wrong.
BillsfaninMyrtleBeach Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Who is Ralph Wilson? Yoda's evil twin.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 while the o.p. may or may not have his facts wrong, he nailed the sentiment. sometime soon after escaping form john butl;er's final "cap hell" year, ralph decided he was going to nickel and dime it from then on...fans be damned. he has not wavered and probably russ and the beancounters have him convinced we're in the playoff hunt. we all know nothing is going to change until he dies and considering he's sitting on more money than every member of this site combined, it is at least a little conemptible that he's clearly not trying to win. but whatever. some fans have their identity wrapped up in wilson's "right" to screwover a fan base by pretending we're anything other than the washington generals of the nfl. i think he sucks. it just shows what a rotten !@#$ he is to the core. i rmember thinking that about him when he was nickel and diming oj and running ahmad rashad out of town. that's just who he is. a rotten embarrassment for western new york. i'll be happy when he's dead whether or not the team stays. i know MANY other fans feel the same way- i wish more of them had the balls to admit it. I think you take football too seriously.
BillsZubaz Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 A team from Buffalo to watch on TV..... The hot start raised expectations beyond where they should have been. I still maintain that if not for all of the key injuries this was a 7-9 -- 9-7 team. Next year will be telling... In the meantime.. Go Buffalo (break my heart again)
jester43 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I think you take football too seriously. i heard you coming bro...but it's more about the death of our region's identity. he's rich beyond our wildest imagination because of the fans and now he's tackinga dump on them. only a real scum does that.
n3wyork13 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 There should be a clause or something in the contract when you buy an nfl franchise, that you have the best interst in the team and the city that they are located in to bring a winning franchise there, with that said... you dont end up with the finacial stability to buy an nfl franchise without having being a winner... my point is that you shouldnt be able to field a crappy team year after year to get finacial gains you should only be able to reap those benefits by fielding a winning team. The NFL (for owners) should only be about making money when your winning....
BillsfaninMyrtleBeach Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Ralph probably doesn't even know what planet he is on half the time. You see him on tv during a game and he looks like he is sitting on someone's knee with their hand up his butt making him blink. Don't think he's making any kind of decisions about the team but somebody is and they don't give a rats behind if Buffalo wins or not, just sell those tickets, sell those Bills jerseys, and to hell with putting together a winning football team. Do I sound bitter? I have been a Bills fan a very long time, and I will be a Bills fan to my last breath (except if they move the team, then I am done with them). What has been the common denominator, the one thing that hasn't changed in decades, was it the players? No. Was it the coaches? No. Was it the GM? No again. It was Ralph. Think it will change with better players? No. Better coaches? No. Different GM? No. Different owner? I hope so.
jester43 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Ralph probably doesn't even know what planet he is on half the time. You see him on tv during a game and he looks like he is sitting on someone's knee with their hand up his butt making him blink. Don't think he's making any kind of decisions about the team but somebody is and they don't give a rats behind if Buffalo wins or not, just sell those tickets, sell those Bills jerseys, and to hell with putting together a winning football team. Do I sound bitter? I have been a Bills fan a very long time, and I will be a Bills fan to my last breath (except if they move the team, then I am done with them). What has been the common denominator, the one thing that hasn't changed in decades, was it the players? No. Was it the coaches? No. Was it the GM? No again. It was Ralph. Think it will change with better players? No. Better coaches? No. Different GM? No. Different owner? I hope so. he sucks hard...and it is a testament to the incredible inferiority complex that many wny-ers hold that so many of them seem to think they don't DESERVE any better. you'll see these same guys shorting out their keyboards with freaking floodwater when the miserable old miser finally does kick it...they'll be the internet equivalent of those kooky north koreans flailing around over the death of kim jung-il, or whatever they called that maniac.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 i heard you coming bro...but it's more about the death of our region's identity. he's rich beyond our wildest imagination because of the fans and now he's tackinga dump on them. only a real scum does that. See, there's the disconnect. I don't think a region's identity has very much to do with the success of its sports franchises. When you think of Seattle, what comes to mind? Starbucks, the grunge movement, technology...not the Mariners sucking and the Sonics leaving. If Buffalo has nothing else going for it except having an NFL franchise, that's not Ralph Wilson's fault. As for Ralph, I certainly wish he were a more competent football guy, but I don't think he's scum.
jester43 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 ha...grunge is a "movement?" more like a bowel movement. i spent the summer of 93 in n.w. washington...never saw so-many educated, able-bodied pan-handlers in my life. it disgusted even me, and i've only voted republican once. but regardng ralph...yeah i know, wny isn't ONLY the bills. i know, i know, you got the wonderful PEOPLE (news flash- most places have a lot of nice people), the falls, the chicken wings, the cool summers, etc. etc... i say it's bull ****...wny is clinging to life and the bills are one of the few viable economic entities in the region, and ralph is using them to crap on the people who made him disgustingly rich, evidently because he has the "right" to.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 ha...grunge is a "movement?" more like a bowel movement. i spent the summer of 93 in n.w. washington...never saw so-many educated, able-bodied pan-handlers in my life. it disgusted even me, and i've only voted republican once. but regardng ralph...yeah i know, wny isn't ONLY the bills. i know, i know, you got the wonderful PEOPLE (news flash- most places have a lot of nice people), the falls, the chicken wings, the cool summers, etc. etc... i say it's bull ****...wny is clinging to life and the bills are one of the few viable economic entities in the region, and ralph is using them to crap on the people who made him disgustingly rich, evidently because he has the "right" to. Can't really speak to NW Washington in 1993, seeing as I was 4. But I was referring more to the rock movement than the social movement...some great bands came of it. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Temple of the Dog, Nirvana, Screaming Trees.
jester43 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 trust me, it was a mess out there. the price of flannel went through the roof. and besides, they owed it all to all the 2nd generation punk bands from 5-10 years before. please go watch "the decline of western civilization" before you go thanking seattle for grunge. grunge was 2nd generation punk turned into a commodity that could be "safely" sold in the midwest via mtv. by people like ralph wilson, no doubt.
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