Injury rankings

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

No team in the NFL has the depth to overcome losing their three best players, and half their receiving core.

 

If the Packers lost their three best players for the season, they'd be 5-8 too.

[Beerball]

No team in the NFL has the depth to overcome losing their three best players, and half their receiving core.

 

If the Packers lost their three best players for the season, they'd be 5-8 too.

Houston has lost their QB, their back-up QB & their best defensive player for the season and their best WR missed 6 or so games. I'm sure they have had other significant losses but I don't know their roster well enough to comment on them.

[Just in Atlanta]

Houston has lost their QB, their back-up QB & their best defensive player for the season and their best WR missed 6 or so games. I'm sure they have had other significant losses but I don't know their roster well enough to comment on them.

They also play in the AFC South and have a killer DC. Not an excuse, just context. We clearly have zero depth and are lacking elite talent, but we would be much better had we not lost our only elite players.

 

Besides, it's hard to win in the NFL, man.

[todd]

Injuries hurt, sure. But a good team would have solid depth and coaching to make up for them (see Packers last year). The excuses need to stop.

 

I guess I agree, however look at the Packers. They have incredible stability in the front office and at coaching. All the good teams do. Teams that constantly need to fire people don't do well, no matter what.

[The Big Cat]

I've made this point before, but it bears repeating:

 

Our team relies too much on younger guys whose bodies haven't fully developed.

 

And when you think of the timing of this current regime overhaul and factor in the fitness time lost to the lockout, and we have a ton of underdeveloped guys on our roster, who are expected to contribute, but haven't even been through a full NFL offseason training program yet.

 

They're simply ill-equipped for the rigors of an NFL schedule.

Edited December 14, 2011 by The Big Cat

[BillsVet]

No team in the NFL has the depth to overcome losing their three best players, and half their receiving core.

 

If the Packers lost their three best players for the season, they'd be 5-8 too.

 

The Patriots lost their best player in 2008 and still managed to go 11-5. His replacement has not fared well in KC and may be done as a starter.

 

Let's look closely at the injuries that have hurt Buffalo most: Jackson, Wood, and Kyle Williams. The Bills had a 1st round pick to back up Fred who has underwhelmed. Shouldn't the expectation be that he adequately fill in for Jackson given the hype and praise he received from the staff on draft day 2010? Meanwhile, they had no backup OC on the roster, so of course Wood's injury hurt significantly when they were forced to shuffle the left side of the OL. As for Williams, he was mostly their 1 gap 34 NT, where Dareus is playing, thus forcing Carrington to be LDE. And, they placed immense faith in Merriman not only producing, but remaining healthy at ROLB. Talk about setting yourself up for failure.

 

The Bills are like an individual who lives in hurricane country and refuses to purchase homeowners insurance because it costs too much. When the home is damanged in a storm, he complains that he can't fix it now for lack of funds despite making 7 figures.

[Since 1972]

What # of injuries would be acceptable next year to keep everyone from claiming they (injuries) are the reason the Bills aren't preforming well?

 

Oh look, the two most often used words when it comes to the Bills..."Injuries and next year".

[BobChalmers]

The defense was bad before the injuries however. Forget about statistics. Anyone who watches the games can see that they stink.

 

Anyone who watched the early season games could see Merriman was creating pressure even w/o the sacks.

 

Now we don't even get pressure.

 

No, they weren't a good defense before - but losing Williams, Merriman, Wilson dropped them from poor to awful. It mattered.

[Swift Sylvan]

So the real key then is to retain all of our worth while players this year. If we can draft 4 starting-solid depth players then we should be better prepared for injuries right?

 

The Patriots lost their best player in 2008 and still managed to go 11-5. His replacement has not fared well in KC and may be done as a starter.

 

Let's look closely at the injuries that have hurt Buffalo most: Jackson, Wood, and Kyle Williams. The Bills had a 1st round pick to back up Fred who has underwhelmed. Shouldn't the expectation be that he adequately fill in for Jackson given the hype and praise he received from the staff on draft day 2010? Meanwhile, they had no backup OC on the roster, so of course Wood's injury hurt significantly when they were forced to shuffle the left side of the OL. As for Williams, he was mostly their 1 gap 34 NT, where Dareus is playing, thus forcing Carrington to be LDE. And, they placed immense faith in Merriman not only producing, but remaining healthy at ROLB. Talk about setting yourself up for failure.

 

The Bills are like an individual who lives in hurricane country and refuses to purchase homeowners insurance because it costs too much. When the home is damanged in a storm, he complains that he can't fix it now for lack of funds despite making 7 figures.

 

To add a little context, I think the patriots went 10-6 which means they still played quite well, however they did miss the playoffs. I think that was the only year in the last decade or something that the Pats didn't make it to the post season.

[Mr. WEO]

No team in the NFL has the depth to overcome losing their three best players, and half their receiving core.

 

If the Packers lost their three best players for the season, they'd be 5-8 too.

 

I would say three of their best players. If your center is one of your 3 best players, your team is awful.

 

 

Williams was probably one of their three best players last year. Freddy is obviously the MVP of the team but the team was already into its nose dive when he went down.

 

I'm still gonna put Fitz and Stevie as 2 of the 5 best players on the team. Barnett was more valuable all season than either Wood or even Williams were befroe they went out.

 

I've made this point before, but it bears repeating:

 

Our team relies too much on younger guys whose bodies haven't fully developed.

 

And when you think of the timing of this current regime overhaul and factor in the fitness time lost to the lockout, and we have a ton of underdeveloped guys on our roster, who are expected to contribute, but haven't even been through a full NFL offseason training program yet.

 

They're simply ill-equipped for the rigors of an NFL schedule.

WTF is this??

 

These guys show up in questionable shape every camp--even more so this year. But as adults, there bodies have finished "developing" (naturally, anyway).

[BobChalmers]

The Patriots lost their best player in 2008 and still managed to go 11-5. His replacement has not fared well in KC and may be done as a starter.

 

They would have been a 14+ win team with Brady. It was a huge dropoff and that was ONE guy. How do you like the way the Colts have held up losing Manning??

 

Let's look closely at the injuries that have hurt Buffalo most: Jackson, Wood, and Kyle Williams. The Bills had a 1st round pick to back up Fred who has underwhelmed. Shouldn't the expectation be that he adequately fill in for Jackson given the hype and praise he received from the staff on draft day 2010?

 

Yeah - Spiller's a disappoinment - we get it. It doesn't mean losing Freddy in the middile of his MVP-caliber season wasn't going to be a huge problem.

 

Meanwhile, they had no backup OC on the roster, so of course Wood's injury hurt significantly when they were forced to shuffle the left side of the OL. As for Williams, he was mostly their 1 gap 34 NT, where Dareus is playing, thus forcing Carrington to be LDE. And, they placed immense faith in Merriman not only producing, but remaining healthy at ROLB. Talk about setting yourself up for failure.

 

How much would you invest in "backup OC"? It's not like the backup gets to play AT ALL without an injury. They do have backups - Urbik's OK, but there's no way we lose the one starting 1st round draft pick on the entire offense and not have it hurt.

 

Worse than Wood was losing both OLTs. That's when the losing streak started, and there's no team I'm aware of that can handle that loss - because no team can possibly afford to keep 3 good OLTs on the depth chart. They are too valuable.

 

Numerous people - including me - have already pointed out they left OLB a question mark going into the season. Merriman was a gamble, everyone knew that. Nix and Gailey also wanted to see what they had in Moats and Batten. It needed to be done - they've done it - and you can expect OLB upgrades next year. They can't draft every position at once - sorry.

 

Again it would have been lovely if the Broncos had just given us their pick out of kindness - then we could have added Dareus AND Miller. Sadly the greedy bastards hung on to their own 1st-rounder and we could only address one need in the first.

 

 

The Bills are like an individual who lives in hurricane country and refuses to purchase homeowners insurance because it costs too much. When the home is damanged in a storm, he complains that he can't fix it now for lack of funds despite making 7 figures.

 

Not a clue why you think there is a useful analogy here.

 

NO NFL TEAMS go 2-deep with starters at OC nor do they go 3-deep at OLT. NONE. Costs too much.

 

You have to get a little lucky with injuries to win in the NFL - the Ravens fans/media know they have that this year. We'll get our turn.

Edited December 14, 2011 by BobChalmers

[The Big Cat]

The Patriots lost their best player in 2008 and still managed to go 11-5. His replacement has not fared well in KC and may be done as a starter.

 

Let's look closely at the injuries that have hurt Buffalo most: Jackson, Wood, and Kyle Williams. The Bills had a 1st round pick to back up Fred who has underwhelmed. Shouldn't the expectation be that he adequately fill in for Jackson given the hype and praise he received from the staff on draft day 2010? Meanwhile, they had no backup OC on the roster, so of course Wood's injury hurt significantly when they were forced to shuffle the left side of the OL. As for Williams, he was mostly their 1 gap 34 NT, where Dareus is playing, thus forcing Carrington to be LDE. And, they placed immense faith in Merriman not only producing, but remaining healthy at ROLB. Talk about setting yourself up for failure.

 

The Bills are like an individual who lives in hurricane country and refuses to purchase homeowners insurance because it costs too much. When the home is damanged in a storm, he complains that he can't fix it now for lack of funds despite making 7 figures.

 

Yeah, except that Patriots* team won 18 games in a row the season before...to go from 18 wins to 11 as opposed to 4 to 5...

[C.Biscuit97]

The Patriots lost their best player in 2008 and still managed to go 11-5. His replacement has not fared well in KC and may be done as a starter.

 

Let's look closely at the injuries that have hurt Buffalo most: Jackson, Wood, and Kyle Williams. The Bills had a 1st round pick to back up Fred who has underwhelmed. Shouldn't the expectation be that he adequately fill in for Jackson given the hype and praise he received from the staff on draft day 2010? Meanwhile, they had no backup OC on the roster, so of course Wood's injury hurt significantly when they were forced to shuffle the left side of the OL. As for Williams, he was mostly their 1 gap 34 NT, where Dareus is playing, thus forcing Carrington to be LDE. And, they placed immense faith in Merriman not only producing, but remaining healthy at ROLB. Talk about setting yourself up for failure.

 

The Bills are like an individual who lives in hurricane country and refuses to purchase homeowners insurance because it costs too much. When the home is damanged in a storm, he complains that he can't fix it now for lack of funds despite making 7 figures.

 

1) The Bills aren't as deep as a team that has been arguably the best team of the last decade.

 

2) The PAts were 16-0 the year before. And Cassell isn't great but he did take the Chiefs to the playoffs last year with an excellent td to int ratio.

[Kemp]

While olb is a major need so is DE.

[BobChalmers]

I would say three of their best players. If your center is one of your 3 best players, your team is awful.

 

In fairness to the original article - I believe the PFW writer used the word "most talented". Wood may well fit that description. He is, after all, the only 1st-round pick who starts for the offense.

[Kemp]

3 best players are Williams, Dareus, and Jackson. Wood is probably 4TH.

[BobChalmers]

While olb is a major need so is DE.

 

Why do you think DE is an issue??

 

 

There's no comparison to starting either Dareus or Kyle Williams at DE with guys like Edwards and Carrington to add in to the DE position.... Remember - Dareus is a DE. Williams could be too if we find a new NT.

 

Compare this with starting OLBs who are either a converted DT (Spencer Johnson) a converted DE (Kelsay) a broken veteran (Merriman) and then who knows what (Moats/Batten) at OLB.

 

Healthy, the D-Line of this team is pretty good.

 

The OLB situation - oh yeah - the most important position on a 3-4 defense - is a nightmare, even if they were all healthy.

Edited December 14, 2011 by BobChalmers

[BobChalmers]

Injuries hurt, sure. But a good team would have solid depth and coaching to make up for them (see Packers last year). The excuses need to stop.

 

Actually, your ignoring the OP so you can keep repeating your "tough talk" about injury excuses needs to stop. It's boring.

 

The independent assessment from PFW says the Bills have the worst injury situation in the league this year - but you don't want to hear that? Why not??

 

 

It would be fair to question why this seems to keep happening the last few years. Could be bad luck - could be something wrong with the training. Maybe they need to consider different playing surfaces - don't know - but something is clearly a recurring problem, and it's not an illusion - it's quite real, and observable to even outsiders.

[Just in Atlanta]

I've made this point before, but it bears repeating:

 

Our team relies too much on younger guys whose bodies haven't fully developed.

 

And when you think of the timing of this current regime overhaul and factor in the fitness time lost to the lockout, and we have a ton of underdeveloped guys on our roster, who are expected to contribute, but haven't even been through a full NFL offseason training program yet.

 

They're simply ill-equipped for the rigors of an NFL schedule.

I look forward to when Marcell D. hits puberty.

[thewildrabbit]

Good (deep) teams overcome injuries. Run of the mill teams do not.

 

This team needs to:

Develop a pass rush w/out blitzing. Last year Capers blitzed about 35% of the time, this year he's gone to 50% because his front can't generate a pass rush. The Packers' defense this year is not as good as it was last year. People keep talking about the need for a blitzing LB, but the front needs to generate their own sacks. The Bills are typically in a 4 man front, I believe, on passing downs. I don't care whether you call the 4th guy a LB or DE, they must get to the QB without having to rush more than 4.

 

Beyond that (LB/D-line)...we need help at CB, WR & O-line. Put them in whatever order is to your liking.

Yea, the Packers were foolish to let Cullen Jenkins leave in free agency, he was a big reason why they were so good in their front four. He is doing great with Philly now. But perhaps that team has so many stars its tough to maintain and pay them all.

 

 

Anyway, the current Bills defensive coaches are complete idiots for not implementing a 4-3 with Kelsay as DE where he should be, KW & MD as DT's would be basically un-blockable in the middle as how can opposing team double both.I just don't get how these coaches can even try and run a 3-4 with the players they have.

 

I hope RW wakes up long enough at some point and compels Gailey to fire his defensive staff and hire someone like Mike Nolan if they insist on running a 3-4. On that note if he is fully awake and comprehensive I'd further hope instead of just the D, he fires the entire coaching staff and hires Jeff Fisher. A man who would bring blue collar football back to Buffalo. Along with a great running game and great defense, with a killer 4-3 !